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Non-truth and error about racism - 1/27/2015 1:15:19 PM   
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I do know that there are already several threads about racism, but I find it a theme too important, therefore I put it here again.

To start with talking about racism e. g. white over black is false and is only stating the personal ignorance and lack of knowledge. So pretending this is only revealing the non-education, the non-cultivation.

According to a French Sociologist (Albert Memmi) racism is defined as follows (I try to translate from German)

Racism is the generalized and absolutized judgement of real or fictive difference for the accuser’s benefit to his victim’ s disfavour to justify his privileges and aggressions with.

Accuser is the one claiming to be superior and judging the other to be inferior by abstracting a real difference to a non-real difference. The victim is qualified inferior only for the purpose that the pretending superior can exploit and benefit from the other.
To clear it up, what is exactly told by the above sociologist:

1th the judgement of the other is generalized and absolutized, this means it is not individual. So the accuse of racism is non-individual, so in reality there is no fundamental base to address reproach to the accused in any concrete way. In conclusion this means it is not individual and therefore not substantial.

2nd the subject of accuse is real or fictive, but in the end it is all fictive. Why? If there is a difference it is a too small one to harp on about. Is there a difference between white and black negligibly the different colour. Black mankind is mankind as the white and others too, there is no preference. If you try to focus on the gene analysis, it is to affirm, there is a difference, but it is a too small difference to make it valuable. There are also gene differences if someone is black or brown-haired, if someone is grey or green-pupil-eyed. So you cannot recur on the genes to make men and women with another colour inferior to yourself.

3rd the trial to elaborate, construct and pervert the difference to advantage of the self-pretended superior

4th that all to justify and legitimate the advantage of privilege or aggressions

You can transfer all of that to genders man/woman or religion christian/moslem or nationality and so on. It is to understand that all is constructed by us humans. We are the ones who declare and state if someone is superior or inferior, this judgement is depending on our socialization, education and cultivation, in fact it is not natural but artificial -I repeat it again- by us humans.

So if you are able to learn anything out of this be aware that you are human as the other one as well, be he/she man/woman, different-coloured, different religionized and so on….

So in the end, if you respect ypourself, then respect others the same way!!
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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/27/2015 2:39:37 PM   
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So, the answer is purple?

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/27/2015 2:53:09 PM   
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Answer in the form of a question, please. What is the color purple?

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/27/2015 2:55:13 PM   
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So, the answer is purple?

No, I think it's 42 and bacon.

OP, take it from Thoreau, and




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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/27/2015 2:56:11 PM   
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Answer in the form of a question, please. What is the color purple?


Oh that is too easy, everyone knows the answer to that is eleven.


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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/27/2015 3:14:21 PM   
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Answer in the form of a question, please. What is the color purple?


Oh that is too easy, everyone knows the answer to that is eleven.



Unless it's after labor day, then it's 57.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/27/2015 3:22:42 PM   
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No, it's purple. Because aliens don't wear hats.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/27/2015 3:22:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GermanJo

I do know that there are already several threads about racism, but I find it a theme too important, therefore I put it here again.

To start with talking about racism e. g. white over black is false and is only stating the personal ignorance and lack of knowledge. So pretending this is only revealing the non-education, the non-cultivation.

According to a French Sociologist (Albert Memmi) racism is defined as follows (I try to translate from German)

Racism is the generalized and absolutized judgement of real or fictive difference for the accuser’s benefit to his victim’ s disfavour to justify his privileges and aggressions with.

Accuser is the one claiming to be superior and judging the other to be inferior by abstracting a real difference to a non-real difference. The victim is qualified inferior only for the purpose that the pretending superior can exploit and benefit from the other.
To clear it up, what is exactly told by the above sociologist:

1th the judgement of the other is generalized and absolutized, this means it is not individual. So the accuse of racism is non-individual, so in reality there is no fundamental base to address reproach to the accused in any concrete way. In conclusion this means it is not individual and therefore not substantial.

2nd the subject of accuse is real or fictive, but in the end it is all fictive. Why? If there is a difference it is a too small one to harp on about. Is there a difference between white and black negligibly the different colour. Black mankind is mankind as the white and others too, there is no preference. If you try to focus on the gene analysis, it is to affirm, there is a difference, but it is a too small difference to make it valuable. There are also gene differences if someone is black or brown-haired, if someone is grey or green-pupil-eyed. So you cannot recur on the genes to make men and women with another colour inferior to yourself.

3rd the trial to elaborate, construct and pervert the difference to advantage of the self-pretended superior

4th that all to justify and legitimate the advantage of privilege or aggressions

You can transfer all of that to genders man/woman or religion christian/moslem or nationality and so on. It is to understand that all is constructed by us humans. We are the ones who declare and state if someone is superior or inferior, this judgement is depending on our socialization, education and cultivation, in fact it is not natural but artificial -I repeat it again- by us humans.

So if you are able to learn anything out of this be aware that you are human as the other one as well, be he/she man/woman, different-coloured, different religionized and so on….

So in the end, if you respect ypourself, then respect others the same way!!



For those who prefer the 20-word version instead of the 500-word, academic jargon version:

Racism is nothing more than a human construct to gain some advantage. Deep down, we're all the same. Live the golden rule.

However, the long version goes have the purple thing going for it.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/27/2015 3:36:29 PM   
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Unless it's after labor day, then it's 57.

Ah, now this raises a question related to the OP: Is it racist to decree, "No white after Labor Day"?

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/27/2015 4:11:42 PM   
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No, it's purple. Because aliens don't wear hats.


Alien is a racist term. Trans Terrestrial is the preferred term.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/27/2015 4:15:09 PM   
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So, the answer is purple?

No, I think it's 42 and bacon.

OP, take it from Thoreau, and




I'm going to have to go with 42.
The problem of course is that we don't know the right question.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/27/2015 4:17:30 PM   
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No, it's purple. Because aliens don't wear hats.


Alien is a racist term. Trans Terrestrial is the preferred term.

You mean extra-terrestrial. A trans-terrestrial is a Martian in an Earthling's body.

Don't go trivializing their struggle, now.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/27/2015 4:34:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GermanJo

I do know that there are already several threads about racism, but I find it a theme too important, therefore I put it here again.



Oh goodie... more beating a dead horse. Thanks for that.

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To start with talking about racism e. g. white over black is false and is only stating the personal ignorance and lack of knowledge.


Then why would you post anything about it if the discussion is null and void?

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So pretending this is only revealing the non-education, the non-cultivation.


Words. Use them. Force them to do your bidding.

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According to a French Sociologist (Albert Memmi) racism is defined as follows (I try to translate from German)


Because French sociologists always use the German language when speaking?

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Racism is the generalized and absolutized judgement of real or fictive difference for the accuser’s benefit to his victim’ s disfavour to justify his privileges and aggressions with.


OK.

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Accuser is the one claiming to be superior and judging the other to be inferior by abstracting a real difference to a non-real difference. The victim is qualified inferior only for the purpose that the pretending superior can exploit and benefit from the other.


I'm with you so far... albeit a tad lost I must admit.

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To clear it up, what is exactly told by the above sociologist:

1th the judgement of the other is generalized and absolutized, this means it is not individual. So the accuse of racism is non-individual, so in reality there is no fundamental base to address reproach to the accused in any concrete way. In conclusion this means it is not individual and therefore not substantial.


Oh God. What the hell does that even mean?

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2nd the subject of accuse is real or fictive, but in the end it is all fictive.


So wait, if it is either real or fictive but it is all fictive.... why did you even give me a choice?

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Why? If there is a difference it is a too small one to harp on about. Is there a difference between white and black negligibly the different colour. Black mankind is mankind as the white and others too, there is no preference. If you try to focus on the gene analysis, it is to affirm, there is a difference, but it is a too small difference to make it valuable. There are also gene differences if someone is black or brown-haired, if someone is grey or green-pupil-eyed. So you cannot recur on the genes to make men and women with another colour inferior to yourself.


I'd like to teach the World to sing... in perfect harmony...

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3rd the trial to elaborate, construct and pervert the difference to advantage of the self-pretended superior


Dude... No really... Dude. You just hurt my brain.

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4th that all to justify and legitimate the advantage of privilege or aggressions


Either this is a low blood sugar moment for me, or you are breaking every law that exists in making a sentence. We won't even talk about making sense.

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You can transfer all of that to genders man/woman or religion christian/moslem or nationality and so on. It is to understand that all is constructed by us humans. We are the ones who declare and state if someone is superior or inferior, this judgement is depending on our socialization, education and cultivation, in fact it is not natural but artificial -I repeat it again- by us humans.


So, let me get this straight, without humans there would be no human racism? Do I win?

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So if you are able to learn anything out of this be aware that you are human as the other one as well, be he/she man/woman, different-coloured, different religionized and so on….


We are different and the same, all at the same time. Jesus... I'm starting to talk like you.

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So in the end, if you respect ypourself, then respect others the same way!!


I feel like holding someone's hand now. Honest.


Thanks for setting me straight about this topic.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/27/2015 4:38:50 PM   
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No, it's purple. Because aliens don't wear hats.


Alien is a racist term. Trans Terrestrial is the preferred term.

You mean extra-terrestrial. A trans-terrestrial is a Martian in an Earthling's body.

Don't go trivializing their struggle, now.

Trans Terrestrial are beings who moved from one planet to another. Extra Terrestrial is any being from another planet. Close but not quite the same as all Trans Terrestrial beings are also Extra Terrestrial beings but not all Extra Terrestrial beings are Trans Terrestrial beings.

God now I'm sounding like the OP....

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/27/2015 5:09:49 PM   
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I'd say racism is ignorantly attributing universal traits, often derogatory, to a racial group with no consideration of their culture or personal history.
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Trans Terrestrial are beings who moved from one planet to another. Extra Terrestrial is any being from another planet. Close but not quite the same as all Trans Terrestrial beings are also Extra Terrestrial beings but not all Extra Terrestrial beings are Trans Terrestrial beings.


Reminds me of some scifi based on Velikovski's ideas. Human life on earth first originated on the moons of Saturn and there was a rogue planet breaking up to form our moon, Venus, and part colliding with the earth killing off the dinosaurs. It would explain why the large saurians that physically could not have existed in a 1G gravity field are found in the fossil records. (more mass added, higher gravity).

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 5:18:35 AM   
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You guys did better than I did. I couldn't get past the 1th point.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 6:08:13 AM   
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So, the answer is purple?

No, I think it's 42 and bacon.

OP, take it from Thoreau, and

I'm going to have to go with 42.
The problem of course is that we don't know the right question.

No matter the question, the answer to everything can be found in this formula of multiple choices:

A. 42
B. Purple
C. Bacon
D. Purple Bacon?
E. 42 Strips of Bacon?
F. Simplify
G. All of the Above (except Items D&E which don't count per answering a question with a question), or
H. If you're Jim Carrey, then Item A=23 not 42.
I. Getting too complicated--just go with Item F.
J. This is making my brain hurt.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 6:15:06 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

So, the answer is purple?

No, I think it's 42 and bacon.

OP, take it from Thoreau, and

I'm going to have to go with 42.
The problem of course is that we don't know the right question.

No matter the question, the answer to everything can be found in this formula of multiple choices:

A. 42
B. Purple
C. Bacon
D. Purple Bacon?
E. 42 Strips of Bacon?
F. Simplify
G. All of the Above (except Items D&E which don't count per answering a question with a question), or
H. If you're Jim Carrey, then Item A=23 not 42.
I. Getting too complicated--just go with Item F.
J. This is making my brain hurt.



well in that case it has to be bacon because everyone knows it's always C.

That and I really love bacon.

And speaking of bacon, did anyone see the Bones episode where Hodgins was scarfing down the bacon flavored lube? I want some of that.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 6:31:50 AM   
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well in that case it has to be bacon because everyone knows it's always C.

That and I really love bacon.

And speaking of bacon, did anyone see the Bones episode where Hodgins was scarfing down the bacon flavored lube? I want some of that.

No, but does it come in purple? For JstAnotherSub and mnottertail, that is.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 6:41:49 AM   
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LOL, very alien concept to me.

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