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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 6:49:28 AM   
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You guys did better than I did. I couldn't get past the 1th point.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 6:51:06 AM   
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So, the answer is purple?

No, I think it's 42 and bacon.

OP, take it from Thoreau, and

I'm going to have to go with 42.
The problem of course is that we don't know the right question.

No matter the question, the answer to everything can be found in this formula of multiple choices:

A. 42
B. Purple
C. Bacon
D. Purple Bacon?
E. 42 Strips of Bacon?
F. Simplify
G. All of the Above (except Items D&E which don't count per answering a question with a question), or
H. If you're Jim Carrey, then Item A=23 not 42.
I. Getting too complicated--just go with Item F.
J. This is making my brain hurt.

42 strips of purple bacon for me please
I like simple

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 6:58:27 AM   
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well in that case it has to be bacon because everyone knows it's always C.

That and I really love bacon.

And speaking of bacon, did anyone see the Bones episode where Hodgins was scarfing down the bacon flavored lube? I want some of that.

No, but does it come in purple? For JstAnotherSub and mnottertail, that is.


I had a purple dildo at one point, would that work? It had 2 heads

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 7:03:26 AM   
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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 7:22:36 AM   
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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 9:07:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		So this leads me to ask this: According to this, the idea of racism is based on one seeking to rule over other people.

What if a person simply doesn't wish to associate with people of other ethnic groups, but has no feelings of superiority?
Doesn't that undermine the basis of this person's concept? They may even hate people of other groups without feeling "superiority", or view them as competition for resources. There is more to it than people simply claiming superiority.

As for ideal that "race is a social construct", I have a friend who works in forensics and she told me that she did not believe in the concept of race until she began working in her field. She said as long as she has a skull, she can tell whether a person was male or female, what racial type they were, how old they were, and she said to some degree she can tell how dark or how light their skin was. (She said that darker skinned people have thicker skulls and bones.)
She said something I found to be very profound, and it has stuck with me the last 5 years,"Honest science does away with the altruistic misuse of scientific research."













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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 9:11:47 AM   
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For those who prefer the 20-word version instead of the 500-word, academic jargon version:

Racism is nothing more than a human construct to gain some advantage. Deep down, we're all the same. Live the golden rule.


Thank you for your short version!




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So, let me get this straight, without humans there would be no human racism? Do I win?


though drastically, but you hit the mark!!

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 9:16:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jaxman88 Touchy subject. What I know is the race gene is one letter of DNA out of 3.1 billion. DerangedUnit mentioned RNAi technology and I was impressed. There is also the Hardy-Weinberg theory and seven standards for evolution that begot the concept of Eugenics as well as the Oxford Papers of Biometrics I have read. There are variations in people. Race seems primarily affected by the "epigenome" (outer genome). The choice to dissociate or dislike someone because of differences which are affected by many fundamental factors, "race" being the most basic and unimportant of them is a personal choice and personal preference no one but an individual can make. I wouldn't dislike the caged bird simply because I choose to fly. Some people are genetically smarter. Some people are genetically stronger, but we all have very different fingerprints, like snowflakes and tastebuds.
ETA; what would have REALLY been interesting is to get people's input on genetic modification as well as"designer babies". Having your baby designed to your personal preference.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 10:04:53 AM   
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Unless it's after labor day, then it's 57.

Ah, now this raises a question related to the OP: Is it racist to decree, "No white after Labor Day"?

No "Dreaming of a White Christmas! They're stealing our Christmas!"

Every "Happy Holidays" is just a racist code . . .

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 12:09:25 PM   
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I had a purple dildo at one point, would that work? It had 2 heads

Mine is purple also, like a raspberry orchid color, but it's a vibrator which affixes onto a strap-on belt so a double-headed design wouldn't work.
I know somebody who has a purple feeldoe which might look like the one you had.

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Hows about a nice rainbow instead



Colorful, but not so appetizing. Plus I prefer my bacon to be less crispy.
Hey, we haven't had a bacon thread in quite some time.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 4:33:02 PM   
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So, the answer is purple?


Nope, 42

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 4:38:28 PM   
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I do know that there are already several threads about racism, but I find it a theme too important, therefore I put it here again.



Oh goodie... more beating a dead horse. Thanks for that.

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To start with talking about racism e. g. white over black is false and is only stating the personal ignorance and lack of knowledge.


Then why would you post anything about it if the discussion is null and void?

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So pretending this is only revealing the non-education, the non-cultivation.


Words. Use them. Force them to do your bidding.

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According to a French Sociologist (Albert Memmi) racism is defined as follows (I try to translate from German)


Because French sociologists always use the German language when speaking?

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Racism is the generalized and absolutized judgement of real or fictive difference for the accuser’s benefit to his victim’ s disfavour to justify his privileges and aggressions with.


OK.

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Accuser is the one claiming to be superior and judging the other to be inferior by abstracting a real difference to a non-real difference. The victim is qualified inferior only for the purpose that the pretending superior can exploit and benefit from the other.


I'm with you so far... albeit a tad lost I must admit.

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To clear it up, what is exactly told by the above sociologist:

1th the judgement of the other is generalized and absolutized, this means it is not individual. So the accuse of racism is non-individual, so in reality there is no fundamental base to address reproach to the accused in any concrete way. In conclusion this means it is not individual and therefore not substantial.


Oh God. What the hell does that even mean?

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2nd the subject of accuse is real or fictive, but in the end it is all fictive.


So wait, if it is either real or fictive but it is all fictive.... why did you even give me a choice?

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Why? If there is a difference it is a too small one to harp on about. Is there a difference between white and black negligibly the different colour. Black mankind is mankind as the white and others too, there is no preference. If you try to focus on the gene analysis, it is to affirm, there is a difference, but it is a too small difference to make it valuable. There are also gene differences if someone is black or brown-haired, if someone is grey or green-pupil-eyed. So you cannot recur on the genes to make men and women with another colour inferior to yourself.


I'd like to teach the World to sing... in perfect harmony...

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3rd the trial to elaborate, construct and pervert the difference to advantage of the self-pretended superior


Dude... No really... Dude. You just hurt my brain.

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4th that all to justify and legitimate the advantage of privilege or aggressions


Either this is a low blood sugar moment for me, or you are breaking every law that exists in making a sentence. We won't even talk about making sense.

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You can transfer all of that to genders man/woman or religion christian/moslem or nationality and so on. It is to understand that all is constructed by us humans. We are the ones who declare and state if someone is superior or inferior, this judgement is depending on our socialization, education and cultivation, in fact it is not natural but artificial -I repeat it again- by us humans.


So, let me get this straight, without humans there would be no human racism? Do I win?

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So if you are able to learn anything out of this be aware that you are human as the other one as well, be he/she man/woman, different-coloured, different religionized and so on….


We are different and the same, all at the same time. Jesus... I'm starting to talk like you.

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So in the end, if you respect ypourself, then respect others the same way!!


I feel like holding someone's hand now. Honest.


Thanks for setting me straight about this topic.

Welcome to the forums?


Wow Gauge I had no idea you're such a masochist. I didn't make it past the first sentence.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 7:13:56 PM   
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Wow Gauge I had no idea you're such a masochist. I didn't make it past the first sentence.



I was married for 13 years, so there is that.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 7:47:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I tend to view racism in a more classical sense - the judgment of a society as inferior based on superfluous criteria and subjective analysis. Most racist roots (over five hundred years old) were forged by societies who viewed themselves as advanced, and therefore superior, to another race whose culture, laws, religion, lifestyle and/or intellectual qualities were deemed 'heathen', 'savage' or simplistic. These beliefs were then simplified to the 'inferior' culture and identified through physical qualities that made judging easier for the common man.

I don't know that it was used to gain advantage specifically, but advantage was often gotten, as the 'inferior' culture was usually attacked and enslaved or destroyed.

That said, I don't believe the only qualification for racism to exist is that humans exist. There are other factors at work. Religion. Social supremacy. Politics. These are other constructs that might be leveraged to validate racism, but no one is born thinking, "That white person is inferior because they're white". That type of thinking is socially engineered and passed along by reinforcement.

This kind of logic sometimes opens a can of worms for me, because it states racism is created at a social level and then transferred to individuals by virtue of physically defining characteristics. Take that thinking and apply it laterally to the practice of law, and it becomes obscenely obvious that, from a pure level of equality, all derogatory slurs should be the same. The emphasis of the disallowance of "the N word" in American culture is racist by its nature, because terms like "cracker" are not given the same weight.

I think it's nice that the Americans want to combat racism, but I think their practice at doing so is a little lopsided and heavy handed. Their history obviously affects that in ways that simply wouldn't apply for other countries, so I feel for them, but the actual practice of social engineering to reverse the construction of racism needs work.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 8:09:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very deep, RemoteUser. You should have been the OP of this thread, with a question or invitation for comments at the end in order to have actually opened a topic for discussion, as apropos of the Opening Post(er).

In keeping with the theme of simplification, this is how I see an insidious form of racism:

You are good enough to fuck...to use...to sexually objectify...
...but you're not good enough to take home to meet my (hillbilly) family,
much less marry and raise a family of biracial children with.

This is the racist hypocrite who should get strung up by his balls ... with bacon,
and fed to the swineherd from which he came.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/28/2015 8:40:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hear ya, FieryOpal. I'm actually good with raceplay intended solely as a form of objectification by consenting parties, but that's all bedroom shenanigans. If I like objectification and my partner doesn't, it ain't happening, in a racist vein or any other. That's just common sense sprayed with a little courtesy.

I wouldn't have a problem dating someone of a different race or introducing them to my parents, but I would warn them ahead of time that my parents come from a totally different time and culture. My dad has been known to crack racist jokes and slurs, and my mother is the type to whisper something when a person leaves the room. If that impacted the person I was introducing them to, then hell yes I would warn them first, and I'd tell my parents beforehand to try and get them on their best behaviour.

I'm not going to change my parents. They are who they are. I'm not going to change a person's skin tone, either. But I love who I love, and the rest of that social noise means a whole lot of nothing to me.

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RE: Non-truth and error about racism - 1/29/2015 3:44:31 AM   
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I do know that there are already several threads about racism, but I find it a theme too important, therefore I put it here again.

To start with talking about racism e. g. white over black is false and is only stating the personal ignorance and lack of knowledge. So pretending this is only revealing the non-education, the non-cultivation.

According to a French Sociologist



It started off badly, went down hill from there, and the words "French Sociologist" meant enough was enough for me.



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