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Zonie63 -> RE: The French Learn Their Lesson (1/29/2015 7:37:42 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Bill of rights? As if Islamists are citizens?
Some might be citizens. Even if they're not citizens, if they're legal residents, they still have rights. Even illegal residents have rights. According to international conventions and UN declarations, all human beings have rights, no matter what their citizenship might be. If you and others wish to change that and make exceptions for those whom you identify as "Islamist," then at least you should be willing to do so by the numbers, which means withdrawing from these various international treaties and changing the Constitution.
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Islamists dont fit so neatly into Western criminal justice systems
If that's the case, then it would seem the thing to do would be to change Western criminal justice systems so that they can deal with these issues. But of course, that would mean making changes honestly and publicly, without trying to slip through a few specious loopholes.
That's the real problem here, not with the Islamists, per se. If there are so many war-mongering Rightists clamoring to "fight the good fight" against Islamism, then why are they so afraid to put it down on paper and make it official? It's not that Leftists are "defending Islam"; all they really seem to be addressing is the fact that the Right is too cowardly to just come out and say what they want without equivocating or inventing their own language.
I think that those who support Western ideals should be able to understand why there are those who don't want them turned into some inconsistent, incoherent, ad hoc mish-mash. We should define our principles and stick to them, not make it up as we go along.
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Their criminal code, Islamic law, criminalizes the West. And if Islamists do not at least support the murder of infidels they are criminal by their law
So our courts, our law is contemptible to them
How do you know all this? What makes you believe that you have some kind of special insight into the hearts and minds of Islamists?
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You call them lunatics but that is a mental error on your part, they are sane but of a different mindset than you
It depends on how one defines "lunatic." If a few blotches of paint on a canvas can send someone into a murderous rage, one might have reason to doubt their sanity. It should be pretty easy to ferret them out, now that we know how to push their buttons and make them really, really mad.
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Focused like a laser on Jihad, and using terror as a tool to further their cause
Its not a traffic ticket or patty cake, its war
If it really is war, then there should be no problem with making it official. That's what is still missing in your overall analysis. And in all candor, it really takes a lot of damn gall for Rightists to blame Leftists for anything about this whole mess. Right-wingers are the last people who should be presuming to lecture anyone on subjects like this.
Strictly speaking, this problem with "Islamism" could have and should have been nipped in the bud 30-40 years ago, but back then, the right-wingers were so irrationally obsessed with communism that they failed to properly assess the situation in the Middle East and with Islamic countries. Hell, they even traded arms for hostages with Iran, a sordid backroom deal which was also tied in with their incessant obsession over communists in Nicaragua. And we even went to war with a secular regime (twice) in order to protect theocratic Islamic monarchies, with the right-wing peanut gallery cheering every step of the way.
So, now, after decades of fuck-up after fuck-up fostered, advocated, and encouraged by the right-wing of America, you still think you can lecture people with your "expertise" on foreign policy and the Middle East?
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