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slvemike4u -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 5:09:27 PM)
I'm having a hard time imaging walking around the corner to meet you,forget about a trip to Philly(a city I don't much like anyway)

deathtothepixies -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 5:16:21 PM)
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/01/opinion/ghitis-police-shootings/ interesting?

PeonForHer -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 6:28:50 PM)
quote: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/01/opinion/ghitis-police-shootings/ interesting? From your link: "The difference in the number of killings in the U.S. and the rest of the world is startling. While police in other major countries typically kill a few people every year, the numbers here are enormous. (More on that in a moment.)" And .... "On average, at least one person is killed by a cop every day in the U.S. In contrast, not a single one was killed in Britain last year, where police fired their guns a grand total of three times, according to The Economist. In 2011, when the FBI reported 404 justifiable law enforcement homicides in the U.S., police killed six people in Australia, two in England, six in Germany." Yes, that definitely qualifies as interesting to me, anyway, DTP.

kdsub -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 6:55:09 PM)
PeonForHer... I believe there is a problem here in the US... there is no denying this....BUT...I believe it has nothing to do with the police and their procedures, at least in all but a few instances. I will bet the police procedures in the US differ little from say France or Germany. The problem, I believe, is with an increasingly violent society. Guns...music...video games... the thug mentality is now pervasive in our country. Respect for authority and each other among the younger generation along with a reduction in parental supervision because of the necessity of both parents working has further increased pressure on police departments and society in general. To me anyway, the fix is not with the targeted police but with society in general. Going after police will just increase crime as has happened in St. Louis after the protests. I have made suggestions in other threads on how I would do it but I believe this persecution of police just trying to do their duty under trying circumstances will not solve the problem. Butch

BamaD -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 7:00:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub PeonForHer... I believe there is a problem here in the US... there is no denying this....BUT...I believe it has nothing to do with the police and their procedures, at least in all but a few instances. I will bet the police procedures in the US differ little from say France or Germany. The problem, I believe, is with an increasingly violent society. Guns...music...video games... the thug mentality is now pervasive in our country. Respect for authority and each other among the younger generation along with a reduction in parental supervision because of the necessity of both parents working has further increased pressure on police departments and society in general. To me anyway, the fix is not with the targeted police but with society in general. Going after police will just increase crime as has happened in St. Louis after the protests. I have made suggestions in other threads on how I would do it but I believe this persecution of police just trying to do their duty under trying circumstances will not solve the problem. Butch The more you restrict the police the more you encourage those who would resist them violently.

kdsub -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 7:03:29 PM)
Here in St. Louis we have had a 40 percent increase in violent crime since the protests... The city police is asking the Highway patrol to help patrol the city streets. The police unions are blaming the reluctance of police to use their authority and the new procedures...I am not sure if that is it... but the increase is reality. Butch

TheHeretic -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 7:05:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies interesting? Pretty much a "well, duh!" piece, not interesting at all, unless being smug about your own ignorance is what creams your twinkie.

BamaD -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 7:06:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech I thought it was an attempted vehicular homicide thread. <GRIN> Actually my motive was not so much about guns as the knee jerk reaction many people have when, regardless of the situation they assume the police had to be wrong. what is interesting is your own knee jerk reaction to the situation, and so far nobody has claimed the cops were wrong. But once again, you are claiming it is OTHER people who are knee jerking the thread page 1 has NO ONE claiming either the cops were wrong or the girl was innocent, lets see....page two nobody calling the cops wrong but lots of blaming the chick. and accusing the other girl of lying, but nothing about the cops being wrong. Apart from the zimmerman honourable mention on page three again nothing against the police, only the dead 17 year old. NOTHING close to what you are and continue to claim. Can you read, or are you just chronically stupid, the second and tenth post on the thread was someone posting articles saying the cops were wrong.... Might want to try opening your eyes...and reading the thread instead of making an ass out of yourself by assuming... Wait Never mind, you being wrong is just as funny..... quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Not according to one of the kids in the car. http://www.9news.com/story/news/local/investigations/2015/01/28/witness-to-cop-shooting-tells-her-story/22449579/ quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/mother-girl-shot-denver-police-seeks-separate-autopsy-28570503 Again I remind you of what I call the CA style of debate (because I first ran into it there) where they quote someone else and then deny responsibility because they were only informing people of what the other person said. Of course if it isn't challenged they will stand by it.

Moderator3 -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 7:10:56 PM)
Hijack Creams your twinkie? I think I just disturbed my neighbor and that almost hurt. Now he's dancing on my ceiling. Thanks!

slvemike4u -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 7:23:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub PeonForHer... I believe there is a problem here in the US... there is no denying this....BUT...I believe it has nothing to do with the police and their procedures, at least in all but a few instances. I will bet the police procedures in the US differ little from say France or Germany. The problem, I believe, is with an increasingly violent society. Guns...music...video games... the thug mentality is now pervasive in our country. Respect for authority and each other among the younger generation along with a reduction in parental supervision because of the necessity of both parents working has further increased pressure on police departments and society in general. To me anyway, the fix is not with the targeted police but with society in general. Going after police will just increase crime as has happened in St. Louis after the protests. I have made suggestions in other threads on how I would do it but I believe this persecution of police just trying to do their duty under trying circumstances will not solve the problem. Butch But it's that exact same well armed violent society that leads American cops so quick to use their guns....their fucking scared. And adhere to the theory that it is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

kdsub -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 7:28:49 PM)
Not quick Mike...necessary. Change society you will change that necessity.... Unless you feel it is ok for police to be targets... I don't...they have the same right to come home to their families as you do in your job. The Brown incident is far from the norm when it comes to police shootings. Most are very necessary to save their own lives or innocents...But i would be scared too. Butch

slvemike4u -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 7:31:25 PM)
And a twelve year old boy with a toy gun..... Shall I go on ? You know as well as me that there are far too many unnecessary uses of deadly force....hell one is too many.

kdsub -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 7:33:24 PM)
Yes go on... we know the circumstances of that incident... and it is society that put that boy at risk... not the police. Butch

kdsub -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 7:35:51 PM)
Mike I am not exaggerating... here in St. Louis we have children that age shooting each other and at police on the street...can police stop that? Butch

Aylee -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 7:42:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub PeonForHer... I believe there is a problem here in the US... there is no denying this....BUT...I believe it has nothing to do with the police and their procedures, at least in all but a few instances. I will bet the police procedures in the US differ little from say France or Germany. The problem, I believe, is with an increasingly violent society. Guns...music...video games... the thug mentality is now pervasive in our country. Respect for authority and each other among the younger generation along with a reduction in parental supervision because of the necessity of both parents working has further increased pressure on police departments and society in general. To me anyway, the fix is not with the targeted police but with society in general. Going after police will just increase crime as has happened in St. Louis after the protests. I have made suggestions in other threads on how I would do it but I believe this persecution of police just trying to do their duty under trying circumstances will not solve the problem. Butch The more you restrict the police the more you encourage those who would resist them violently. Have you noticed that it is no longer "shameful" to have went to jail? Between the effects (unintended consequences) of the three strikes laws, the war on drugs, and our school to prison pipeline, I think our punishment for crime experiment can be counted as a failure.

BamaD -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 8:07:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u And a twelve year old boy with a toy gun..... Shall I go on ? You know as well as me that there are far too many unnecessary uses of deadly force....hell one is too many. You will talk about anything but this case won't you?

BamaD -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 8:08:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub PeonForHer... I believe there is a problem here in the US... there is no denying this....BUT...I believe it has nothing to do with the police and their procedures, at least in all but a few instances. I will bet the police procedures in the US differ little from say France or Germany. The problem, I believe, is with an increasingly violent society. Guns...music...video games... the thug mentality is now pervasive in our country. Respect for authority and each other among the younger generation along with a reduction in parental supervision because of the necessity of both parents working has further increased pressure on police departments and society in general. To me anyway, the fix is not with the targeted police but with society in general. Going after police will just increase crime as has happened in St. Louis after the protests. I have made suggestions in other threads on how I would do it but I believe this persecution of police just trying to do their duty under trying circumstances will not solve the problem. Butch The more you restrict the police the more you encourage those who would resist them violently. Have you noticed that it is no longer "shameful" to have went to jail? Between the effects (unintended consequences) of the three strikes laws, the war on drugs, and our school to prison pipeline, I think our punishment for crime experiment can be counted as a failure. But what is the alternative?

mnottertail -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/30/2015 8:24:20 PM)
So according to police she tried to run them down, in other words, there are no witnesses. How do you feel personally threatened about somebody tearing out of park and jackrabbiting down the alley? The cops should be shot as stupid and exemplary symbols off the clan various and sundry doughnut holes they are.

BamaD -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/31/2015 7:56:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: quizzicalkitten quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Can you read, or are you just chronically stupid, the second and tenth post on the thread was someone posting articles saying the cops were wrong.... I can read, QK, and those second and tenth posts only suggested doubt about the cops' story (as it's emerged so far). It's OK to question what the police say, occasionally, I feel. From the article.... A passenger in the car, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of safety concerns, has disputed the official account, saying officers came up on the car from behind and fired four times into the driver's side window. The passenger also said the officers did not yell any commands before they fired, and that the car struck the officer after Hernandez was shot and lost control of the vehicle. I might be an american but that says, the cops were wrong and what they are saying is a lie... Wouldnt that be.... I dont know saying the cops were wrong? the Other article says A teen inside the car when Denver police officers shot and killed a 17-year old girl on Monday tells 9Wants to Know her friend was shot before the car ended up striking a Denver police officer. It's a version of events that falls into direct conflict with what Denver Police Chief Robert White told reporters shortly after the fatal shooting. That says in plain english theres a conflict... which is another way of saying the police were ....wrong... So both articles that someone posted... say that the police are wrong, but thats not anyone making a comment saying the police are wrong.... Its so clear now.... If the cops were off to the side of the car, firing without warning, how did one of them get a broken leg? Easy lie to bust.

BamaD -> RE: Another cop shooting of "unarmed" teen. (1/31/2015 7:59:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata ~ FR ~ Among the currently unknown facts, I would think it interesting to know if she was shot through the windshield or the driver's side window. K. Side window could just mean they shot her as she blew past them.

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