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CreativeDominant -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 12:30:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

If people really want to protest about food they should take a minute to read the ingredient lists on Velveeta Cheese and Cool-Whip.

But hey...no animals died...or were other animals left to grieve...in the making of those products.

Better humans through chemistry!!!




Aylee -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 12:52:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

If people really want to protest about food they should take a minute to read the ingredient lists on Velveeta Cheese and Cool-Whip.


Those are not foods. They are petroleum by-products. Tasty by-products, in the case of Velveeta (for certain applications), but not food.




epiphiny43 -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 1:36:56 PM)

I like the bumper sticker down the block, "Stopping animal cruelty, one meal at a time." It's all choices, most humans don't have the honesty to confront what happens in their name or interest. On the farm or in nations of different color. If it's packaged in plastic and in a refrigerator section, it has no past?
Defending milk isn't quite the slam dunk short attention span debaters seem to think. The majority of the human adult population is lactose intolerant and quite a lot of reasonably good science says cow milk in it's Pasteurized form is far from the health food the dairy industry pictures it as. Un-Pasteurized, of course, a small percentage die from it.
More to the point, quite exhaustive science has been done on the sustainability of various ways of feeding Homo Sapiens. Dairy and meat are traditional in European cultures. The planet can't actually maintain sufficient intact ecosystems to support even the present population if most if not all dairy and meat aren't removed as major food sources. If the militarily dominant Western nations think they can dictate to the rest of the world how they will eat and exploit their resources so we can keep eating off the top of the food chain as our ancestors did, a rethink may be in order. At best the US and EU will be partners with the larger nations on the planet, if not saying, "Yes, Sir", and "No, Sir" to China and India within living lifespans. Most thoughtful extrapolations of current trends have only the really wealthy eating meat or dairy regularly. How influential these groups are determines how well the larger underclass that works for a living eats, nutritionally adequate, if less traditional, or just eking out enough protein to sustain some semblance of an immune system.
Combined with how it's expected for climate change and ocean rise to diminish arable land area and productivity, human populations may shrink more dramatically than most of us would survive.




dcnovice -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 2:00:17 PM)

FR

Saw this on FB and thought folks on this thread might enjoy it. [:)]

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CreativeDominant -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 2:26:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43

I like the bumper sticker down the block, "Stopping animal cruelty, one meal at a time." It's all choices, most humans don't have the honesty to confront what happens in their name or interest. On the farm or in nations of different color. If it's packaged in plastic and in a refrigerator section, it has no past?
Defending milk isn't quite the slam dunk short attention span debaters seem to think. The majority of the human adult population is lactose intolerant and quite a lot of reasonably good science says cow milk in it's Pasteurized form is far from the health food the dairy industry pictures it as. Un-Pasteurized, of course, a small percentage die from it.
More to the point, quite exhaustive science has been done on the sustainability of various ways of feeding Homo Sapiens. Dairy and meat are traditional in European cultures. The planet can't actually maintain sufficient intact ecosystems to support even the present population if most if not all dairy and meat aren't removed as major food sources. If the militarily dominant Western nations think they can dictate to the rest of the world how they will eat and exploit their resources so we can keep eating off the top of the food chain as our ancestors did, a rethink may be in order. At best the US and EU will be partners with the larger nations on the planet, if not saying, "Yes, Sir", and "No, Sir" to China and India within living lifespans. Most thoughtful extrapolations of current trends have only the really wealthy eating meat or dairy regularly. How influential these groups are determines how well the larger underclass that works for a living eats, nutritionally adequate, if less traditional, or just eking out enough protein to sustain some semblance of an immune system.
Combined with how it's expected for climate change and ocean rise to diminish arable land area and productivity, human populations may shrink more dramatically than most of us would survive.

Given the bitching by other activists that goes on about the over-population of this planet, perhaps those against fairy and meat-eating diets should get together with the population worriers and do what they want...including not adding more of their kind to the population. Then, they can leave the rest of us to eat how we choose. I'm 60 in two weeks, get sick less than my brother, kids, nephews. I eat red meat, cheese, milk, ice cream, game, veggies, fruit. I drink moderately, I stay up later than I should and I exercise moderately. My grandfather ate worse than I did ...he loved greasy mutton...and smoked cigars. Lived to 102.





slvemike4u -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 2:36:27 PM)

42 more years of you.....good grief [:D]




PeonForHer -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 2:48:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

42 more years of you.....good grief [:D]


Fair point, Mike. Just as a mental experiment, as it were, and in consideration of the fact that the average American consumes about fifty times the average African, how many lives could be created or continued if we were to put a hit out on CD? I mean, as a hypothetical thing only, to be clear ....




BamaD -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 2:53:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

quote:

ORIGINAL: epiphiny43

I like the bumper sticker down the block, "Stopping animal cruelty, one meal at a time." It's all choices, most humans don't have the honesty to confront what happens in their name or interest. On the farm or in nations of different color. If it's packaged in plastic and in a refrigerator section, it has no past?
Defending milk isn't quite the slam dunk short attention span debaters seem to think. The majority of the human adult population is lactose intolerant and quite a lot of reasonably good science says cow milk in it's Pasteurized form is far from the health food the dairy industry pictures it as. Un-Pasteurized, of course, a small percentage die from it.
More to the point, quite exhaustive science has been done on the sustainability of various ways of feeding Homo Sapiens. Dairy and meat are traditional in European cultures. The planet can't actually maintain sufficient intact ecosystems to support even the present population if most if not all dairy and meat aren't removed as major food sources. If the militarily dominant Western nations think they can dictate to the rest of the world how they will eat and exploit their resources so we can keep eating off the top of the food chain as our ancestors did, a rethink may be in order. At best the US and EU will be partners with the larger nations on the planet, if not saying, "Yes, Sir", and "No, Sir" to China and India within living lifespans. Most thoughtful extrapolations of current trends have only the really wealthy eating meat or dairy regularly. How influential these groups are determines how well the larger underclass that works for a living eats, nutritionally adequate, if less traditional, or just eking out enough protein to sustain some semblance of an immune system.
Combined with how it's expected for climate change and ocean rise to diminish arable land area and productivity, human populations may shrink more dramatically than most of us would survive.

Given the bitching by other activists that goes on about the over-population of this planet, perhaps those against fairy and meat-eating diets should get together with the population worriers and do what they want...including not adding more of their kind to the population. Then, they can leave the rest of us to eat how we choose. I'm 60 in two weeks, get sick less than my brother, kids, nephews. I eat red meat, cheese, milk, ice cream, game, veggies, fruit. I drink moderately, I stay up later than I should and I exercise moderately. My grandfather ate worse than I did ...he loved greasy mutton...and smoked cigars. Lived to 102.



42 more years of you , good going.




BamaD -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 2:54:47 PM)

FR

People
Eating
Tasty
Animals




CreativeDominant -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 2:55:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

42 more years of you.....good grief [:D]

Thank God! ~nods~




Musicmystery -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 3:00:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

FR

People
Eating
Tasty
Animals


Poster
Exhibiting
Toddlers'
Attributes




slvemike4u -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 4:07:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

42 more years of you.....good grief [:D]

Thank God! ~nods~

To be sure,I was only kidding.
I hope you beat his record(grandfather)[:)]




slvemike4u -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 4:09:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

FR

People
Eating
Tasty
Animals


Poster
Exhibiting
Toddlers'
Attributes


ROFLMAO[sm=biggrin.gif]
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DaddySatyr -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 4:13:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

FR

People
Eating
Tasty
Animals



Now, now. There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures































































On my plate, right next to the mashed potatoes.



Michael




CreativeDominant -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 4:24:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


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ORIGINAL: BamaD

FR

People
Eating
Tasty
Animals



Now, now. There's plenty of room for all of God's creatures































































On my plate, right next to the mashed potatoes.



Michael


Just make sure you don't put Jello on that plate...I HATE when the meat warms the jello and you get jello juice in the meat, the veggies, etc.. Separate plate for jello!




Lucylastic -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 4:28:19 PM)

gross dude
lol




Kirata -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 5:49:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

People
Eating
Tasty
Animals

Poster
Exhibiting
Toddlers'
Attributes

ROFLMAO[sm=biggrin.gif]
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Make that two posters exhibiting toddlers' attributes...

(we may not agree on which they are)

K.




Zonie63 -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 5:50:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata
Thanking cows for milk is “animal exploitation,” according to students at the University of California, Berkeley.

Members of UC Berkeley’s Organization for Animal Advocacy gathered outside a local Domino’s Pizza recently to protest the chain’s latest pizza box design, which allegedly endorses the ‘rape and forcible impregnation’ of dairy cows.

Printed atop pizza boxes, the design thanks dairy cows for their milk since it’s a necessary ingredient in most Domino’s pizzas...

"It is never okay to rape someone, steal their children and milk, or kill someone for palette pleasure. Help us speak on behalf of dairy cows today."


Help us indeed.

K.



Some cows are pretty tough, such as this one.




Musicmystery -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 6:26:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

FR

I'll probably regret saying this, but I have a certain respect for the protesters. Yes, there's an SNL-skit quality to protesting a pizza parlor about its cartons, but two other things occur to me:

(a) Unlike yours truly, they've had the courage to look at the realities of where modern American food comes from and the character to adapt their diet accordingly. In pitiful contrast, I look the other way rather than face the cruelty that goes into my menu.

(b) At a time when "the younger generation" is often slammed for self-absorption, they bestirred themselves to raise awareness about an issue that moves them--without, so far as I can see, much personal gain thereby. Can't recall the last time I did that.

So, dc...I get what you're saying, and part of me is sympathetic.

But I'm not simply dismissive of these folks--rather, I'm concerned. It's easy to come in waving about whatever cause du jour and say "let's do something" and, commendable, do it. But what's missing is any sense of "Well, what is it we want to happen?" let alone "How do we know when we've accomplished it?"

Is it to get to cows off the boxes? Or pictures of mournful cows? Or pizza using soy cheese instead?

Rushing off with no strategy and direction is how so many people achieve so much less than they dream. And unnecessarily. I'd be far more impressed if, regardless of how worthy or not I happen to deem it, they had an objective, clear steps and a path toward a measurable result.

This? It's far more reaction than any proactive stance. And...it doesn't help the cows either.




epiphiny43 -> RE: Tales from the Edge (2/3/2015 6:41:04 PM)

Like PETA (in it's entirety), demonstrating against milk/dairy isn't really a well-thought out position or use of energy. Politics is the art of the possible? Small steps are more likely to be realized, sudden dramatic change is the goal of the immature. ANY change is noteworthy?
I'd be ecstatic if the FDA would man up and enforce their rules correctly so I wouldn't have to read all the fine print to avoid High Fructose corn syrup in all my foods. One attack of Gout was entirely too much. Now we know it's a Diabetes II risk!
I think economics will do more to reduce carnivorous diets than polemics or moral education. If the Industrial Agriculture complex leaves the US with enough workable soil to have another choice.




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