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BennytheBitch -> For Mistress into sissyfication (2/1/2015 11:49:06 PM)

What about sissification turns You on? Wondering for no particular reason. Just curious! [:)]



wannapleez -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/2/2015 12:52:32 AM)

Having been on the receiving end, I know that my Mistresses enjoyed it from a power/control standpoint. Which is probably why many who are into it want to start with an alpha or Type A male, as the change is more significant (and therefore, the power exchange is greater).



Ramyqwe -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/2/2015 1:15:56 AM)

I love too



FieryOpal -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/2/2015 6:36:23 AM)

It doesn't, whatsoever.
(Figured you needed a control group.)

I want a man who acts masculine. If I wanted a feminine partner, then I would go for other women instead and get the real thing.

@wannapleez, there are Mistresses like yours who might feel that this induces submission or puts a male sub into a more submissive headspace (which is what males who want sissification often say also, as well as those males who cross-dress but who aren't sissies). It is true what you say, that in order to exchange power, the submissive must have personal power of his/her own to exchange.

I prefer to inspire submission, not play gender-bending *role-reversal* role-playing games with my submissive. I take my D/s relationship dynamics more seriously than that.



GoddessManko -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/2/2015 6:43:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

It doesn't, whatsoever.
(Figured you needed a control group.)

I want a man who acts masculine. If I wanted a feminine partner, then I would go for other women instead and get the real thing.

@wannapleez, there are Mistresses like yours who might feel that this induces submission or puts a male sub into a more submissive headspace (which is what males who want sissification often say also, as well as those males who cross-dress but who aren't sissies). It is true what you say, that in order to exchange power, the submissive must have personal power of his/her own to exchange.

I prefer to inspire submission, not play gender-bending *role-reversal* role-playing games with my submissive. I take my D/s relationship dynamics more seriously than that.


That's your personal opinion and insight and it's fine. It's only singular and not shared is all.
I love sissification. I think it's the taboo nature of it. I haven't gone all the way with frilly dresses but miniskirts and lacey panties. Very hot. If I was to describe why I'd say the taboo makes it hot.



wannapleez -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/2/2015 7:25:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
I prefer to inspire submission, not play gender-bending *role-reversal* role-playing games with my submissive.


False dichotomy. There is nothing in this world that says that a D/s relationship is either inspired or established by forced fem, but not both. In fact, I've never been in a relationship where that was the case; and in most, the submission was well established before the topic of forced fem even came up. It was simply an enhancement.

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
I take my D/s relationship dynamics more seriously than that.


Please stop with the holier-than-thou bullshit. There's not a "more serious" or "less serious" way to regard a D/s relationship any more than there's a "right" or "wrong" way to conduct it.

If certain things don't work in your dynamic and/or don't appeal, more power to ya. But establishing certain rules (or limits or levels of quality) around sexual behavior makes you just another Fred Phelps.



wannapleez -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/2/2015 7:36:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko
I haven't gone all the way with frilly dresses but miniskirts and lacey panties. Very hot.


In the relationship in which it was most prominent, my Domme considered it mostly a private thing between the two of us, so I didn't even go as far as the miniskirts. Lacy panties and stockings under long pants was usually her "limit". One exception: We played at a hotel and once she had me check in, wearing shorts and fishnets. So, the night desk guy and any ancillary folks saw that time.

The manner in which we took it further (but still private) was that I never wore "man panties" (as she described them) even though we were only together every couple of weeks. In fact, she made me gather all of those up, and we donated them to Goodwill. I was always either commando or (preferably) in panties that were definitively feminine -- maybe not always lacy, but never anything that could be mistaken as masculine.

Admittedly, there were other ways in which she quite publicly established her ownership. This, generally, wasn't one of them, though.



FieryOpal -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/2/2015 8:19:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

That's your personal opinion and insight and it's fine. It's only singular and not shared is all.


[8|] Which is why I clearly stated:

quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

It doesn't, whatsoever.
(Figured you needed a control group.)

And if I may borrow your quote again, as a much-needed reminder for this poster...

quote:

ORIGINAL: wannapleez

False dichotomy. There is nothing in this world that says that a D/s relationship is either inspired or established by forced fem, but not both. In fact, I've never been in a relationship where that was the case; and in most, the submission was well established before the topic of forced fem even came up. It was simply an enhancement.
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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

That's your personal opinion and insight and it's fine. It's only singular and not shared is all.

... I never said 'that a D/s relationship is either inspired or established by forced fem.' "Forced" fem in itself is a 'false dichotomy,' as is "forced" bi. There is nothing "forced" about it, so it is therefore role-playing. I enjoy role-playing in itself, in case you would like to twist my words further; I just don't get into sissification. No need to get so defensive about it. In fact, I can tolerate a limited amount of cross-dressing, without the "forced" fem aspect. It could conceivably be a useful tool as an occasional reward, per the suggestion of a cross-dressing male sub pal of mine.

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ORIGINAL: wannapleez

Please stop with the holier-than-thou bullshit. There's not a "more serious" or "less serious" way to regard a D/s relationship any more than there's a "right" or "wrong" way to conduct it.

If certain things don't work in your dynamic and/or don't appeal, more power to ya. But establishing certain rules (or limits or levels of quality) around sexual behavior makes you just another Fred Phelps.

The rules that I establish are for my own romantically intimate relationships since I do not play casually. This is what I meant by serious, as in committed; when it comes to my personal preferences, there are no equal-opportunity options to be had as with a strictly platonic, passing friendship.

Chill out, dude. We're not in the Feisty section. You yourself brought up this angle, with which I concurred: "Which is probably why many who are into it want to start with an alpha or Type A male, as the change is more significant (and therefore, the power exchange is greater)." Unless you are contending that an alpha male and acting masculine (which to me has no stipulation for Alpha-ness) are mutually exclusive of one another. [:D]



GoddessManko -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/2/2015 10:35:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: wannapleez

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko
I haven't gone all the way with frilly dresses but miniskirts and lacey panties. Very hot.


In the relationship in which it was most prominent, my Domme considered it mostly a private thing between the two of us, so I didn't even go as far as the miniskirts. Lacy panties and stockings under long pants was usually her "limit". One exception: We played at a hotel and once she had me check in, wearing shorts and fishnets. So, the night desk guy and any ancillary folks saw that time.

The manner in which we took it further (but still private) was that I never wore "man panties" (as she described them) even though we were only together every couple of weeks. In fact, she made me gather all of those up, and we donated them to Goodwill. I was always either commando or (preferably) in panties that were definitively feminine -- maybe not always lacy, but never anything that could be mistaken as masculine.

Admittedly, there were other ways in which she quite publicly established her ownership. This, generally, wasn't one of them, though.


Yes, the miniskirts were behind closed doors obviously as I dated professionals much like myself. The lace panties were nice for a day in the office though. Just another way of reaffirming ownership. We all have our varying ways. I don't think there is lack of seriousness in a Domme who uses or prefers these methods. Just as some Dommes might think being fucked by their sub is like a cup of chai while I prefer being Top unless I really want to give in to innate desire. I despise lack of discipline and the best way to control a man is through his cock. There was never anything feminine about my men which made the whole thing HOTTER.



GoddessManko -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/2/2015 10:39:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

... I never said 'that a D/s relationship is either inspired or established by forced fem.' "Forced" fem in itself is a 'false dichotomy,' as is "forced" bi. There is nothing "forced" about it, so it is therefore role-playing. I enjoy role-playing in itself, in case you would like to twist my words further; I just don't get into sissification. No need to get so defensive about it. In fact, I can tolerate a limited amount of cross-dressing, without the "forced" fem aspect. It could conceivably be a useful tool as an occasional reward, per the suggestion of a cross-dressing male sub pal of mine.



No offense Fiery, I like strong women, but you literally have no idea what you're talking about in all due respect. My guys were never into the panties before me. It was my preference, not theirs.



FieryOpal -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/3/2015 6:11:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko
quote:

ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

... I never said 'that a D/s relationship is either inspired or established by forced fem.' "Forced" fem in itself is a 'false dichotomy,' as is "forced" bi. There is nothing "forced" about it, so it is therefore role-playing. I enjoy role-playing in itself, in case you would like to twist my words further; I just don't get into sissification. No need to get so defensive about it. In fact, I can tolerate a limited amount of cross-dressing, without the "forced" fem aspect. It could conceivably be a useful tool as an occasional reward, per the suggestion of a cross-dressing male sub pal of mine.

No offense Fiery, I like strong women, but you literally have no idea what you're talking about in all due respect. My guys were never into the panties before me. It was my preference, not theirs.

My last sub was never into nipple clamps before me either, but he went along with it (with the understanding that he could opt out at any time), not to endure it for my sake, but because he wanted to get past his own barriers gradually. I would have never tried to impose my will upon him, nor "force" him to do anything he didn't want to do. That was my whole point. It is unclear to me whether OP, who is quite young, is asking this because he wants to know why a Domme would want to sissify her male sub, or whether this is something that he is interested in doing, and wants to see how many Dommes are actually into that sort of thing.

No offense, but you are not seeing the forest for the trees, and both you and wannapleez are making this all about you and yourselves. Which, in itself, is called for when speaking about your own personal experiences, and not to refute the anecdotal and empirical experiences of others. In fact, since you went there, I daresay that in just about every discussion topic that comes up, your reply posts take other posts personally, which should be treated as stand-alone opinions unless you have something constructive to add to them. (Not trying to tell you how to post, but neither should you be discounting the opinions of others beyond offering your own perspective as it relates to you and other Dommes who don't take their BDSM pursuits off line, or who mostly engage in on-line interactions.)

Btw, a Domme friend of mine who doesn't get into sissification either, does enjoy having her sub put on red ladies panties. She doesn't quite understand why, but she finds this erotic to her (but not while having intercourse). I have had my sub and I wear matching color underwear, and had gotten him packages of multi-color boxer briefs for this purpose. Not the same thing, but a way for us to feel closer when we were apart during weekdays. My focus is/was on motivation, because I inferred that this is at the crux of what OP wishes to get feedback upon. [sm=2cents.gif]



GoddessManko -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/3/2015 6:41:53 AM)

Fiery, all you have to do is read above to see what I was addressing. Also you are not making sense about the online interaction thing. I was in a 24/7 live in situation off and on for 10 years. Please stop "guessing" about my life.



FieryOpal -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/3/2015 7:15:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

Fiery, all you have to do is read above to see what I was addressing. Also you are not making sense about the online interaction thing. I was in a 24/7 live in situation off and on for 10 years. Please stop "guessing" about my life.

There's nothing to guess about with posting history. My memory is not always perfect, but you did mention on more than once occasion having started out subbing to a Dom for about 4-6 years (something like that) who suffered from PTSD. And just a month or so ago, you had mentioned that you hadn't collared a sub in over a year, and that your on-line "boy" was not your sub, but perhaps my memory is faulty there when you had corrected me by pointing out the difference (on the Hazing Posters thread). Nevertheless, my intention is not to make this about you, and neither should you be trying to make this about me. Again.

Let us carry on with the day, then. [sm=smile.gif]



GoddessManko -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/3/2015 7:48:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal


quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

Fiery, all you have to do is read above to see what I was addressing. Also you are not making sense about the online interaction thing. I was in a 24/7 live in situation off and on for 10 years. Please stop "guessing" about my life.

There's nothing to guess about with posting history. My memory is not always perfect, but you did mention on more than once occasion having started out subbing to a Dom for about 4-6 years (something like that) who suffered from PTSD. And just a month or so ago, you had mentioned that you hadn't collared a sub in over a year, and that your on-line "boy" was not your sub, but perhaps my memory is faulty there when you had corrected me by pointing out the difference (on the Hazing Posters thread). Nevertheless, my intention is not to make this about you, and neither should you be trying to make this about me. Again.

Let us carry on with the day, then. [sm=smile.gif]


LOL, that is not even remotely true but it did cause me to laugh so well done. I think you need to go revise your notes though. This is a bit creepy but at least I know you're not keeping an actual file on me or your information would be in the remote ballpark of accurate. My first relationship, I was 17 and a virgin Domme and he was a 37 year old executive sub. Get a grip online entity.



FieryOpal -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/3/2015 9:56:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

LOL, that is not even remotely true but it did cause me to laugh so well done. I think you need to go revise your notes though. This is a bit creepy but at least I know you're not keeping an actual file on me or your information would be in the remote ballpark of accurate. My first relationship, I was 17 and a virgin Domme and he was a 37 year old executive sub. Get a grip online entity.

Glad I gave you a laugh. Your posts are not significant enough to me for me to be constantly revising my mental notes to keep track of all their discrepancies. But when somebody addresses me directly, as you have on many occasions, and then subsequently contradicts herself or does a chameleon act to give the wrong impression via such posts, you have made those posts become somewhat noteworthy, in their own creepy way. Don't really care about your autobiography *yawn*. Or what you do on line or off line, other than when you step over the line, Manko.



GoddessManko -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/3/2015 10:04:00 AM)

Word of advice Fiery, you can't change reality online. You can substitute it, but you cannot change it. (In respect to those who play online/do fantasy play). And you need to focus more on why my boys keep crawling back for more while you grasp desperately for straws in order to one up or befriend every female Domme on these forums. "Agree with FieryOpal or else" is getting old dear. Very old, and rather transparent at this point. Heaven forbid you share any personal info with some people, it'll make front page news of the National Enquirer next to "Obama is from Mars". [8|]



FieryOpal -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/3/2015 10:27:47 AM)

[sm=wtf.gif] In this part of the world, it's a little too early in the day to be hitting the sauce m'dear.

You may or may not care whether you get a thread shut down, but I do.

There is such a thing called common courtesy. I would ask if you've ever heard of it, but this would be a rhetorical question.



GoddessManko -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/3/2015 10:34:05 AM)

[sm=rofl.gif]



AAkasha -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/5/2015 8:42:36 PM)

The feminization of a man can be a wide variety of things. Some subs into this are fine, and some are idiots about it. Besides foot fetishists, subs into "feminization" rank highest of ANNOYING to me. Because it is all about them, to a huge degree. The femdom is a prop. Others into f/fem or sissification are a dream.

The first guy I ever kissed on the lips was wearing lipgloss.

I hit puberty and went through teenage angst and "posters on the wall" when Adam & the Ants and Duran Duran were huge. Men wore a TON of makeup. Eyeliner, lipstick. I liked androgynous men out of the gate. Enter "Rocky Horror Picture Show" etc. Into my 20s I started getting into goth and industrial music and fashion. Guess what? Men in stockings at dance clubs. Skirts. More makeup. I LIKED a guy in eyeliner. I liked good, wet, kissable lips with liner or gloss on them.

Meanwhile, getting into BDSM and also learning I loved humiliating and shaming guys, I found it was oddly erotic to "make" a very straight laced guy (think: a jock) wear panties, wear eyeliner or "go" to "those clubs" if he wanted to date me. Then I realized something amazing: No matter what a guy is into, putting him into panties makes him horny. Hard. Something about lingerie is magical to a straight laced guy. First it humiliates them, then it arouses them, then they are turned on and ashamed at the same time. Bingo!

I always liked it when a guy could pull off a femme look. I went through a bi-curious phase, but really, what I preferred would be a guy who was also a girl. That is a totally different kind of feminization than "forced femme" which is more: embarrass and humiliate a guy by making him wear lingerie and he realizes he cannot look hot, sexy, feminine - he looks ridiculous and cannot match the beauty of a woman -- meanwhile, he has a monster boner. Hilarity ensues.

Some women have a negative attitude about f/fem because they think it is degrading to women -- that somehow because a man fumbles to explain that he is "embarassed" and "degraded" in lingerie means that he believes women are "less than." I think that over complicates it. I think a lot of men wish they were pretty and looked incredibly sexy in lingerie, and all they get is a boner and look out of place, and it embarrasses them.

AND it embarrasses them that the lingerie FEELS so good that it gives them a raging hardon. They are used to wearing boring underwear. They put on something that looks nice or rides up their ass crack and suddenly they get hard. Then they get embarrassed about it. It's pretty simple. I don't find that insulting to women.

I think the whole "it is disrespectful to women to get turned on by f/fem" is a line of thinking that is an excuse for some women to shit on guys that like feminization and make them feel like assholes, when the woman could just say "feminization isn't my thing."

You know what isn't my thing? When a guy is so one-track-minded about his feminization that he's a big pain in my ass, an attention whore, and WANTS to be VERBALLY humiliated about it. I like two things: Either a guy who embraces it and looks damn hot and can be my shopping buddy, or a man who is VERY MASCULINE but gets aroused in lingerie and it makes him feel very.....drumroll....vulnerable.

Vulnerability is my hot button, big time.

There are many more nuances.....I could sub-divide this even more. I way over simplified. Just some ideas.

But yeah, a lot of guys into f/fem are demanding, whiny assholes, but so are "foot" guys, or the dreaded "pussy worship slave" who things he is god's gift to my clit. I don't have time for ANY self absorbed "sub."

A guy with a feminization fetish but who is open to letting ME take charge? I'm all over that, so long as he knows bondage is my main kink, and f/fem is window dressing.

Akasha




MissMagpie -> RE: For Mistress into sissyfication (2/18/2015 11:18:53 AM)

For me, sissification is hot because I am giving my sub the skills to channel his/her female power. I don't like the humiliation aspect, really, because I am female and I think that making someone more female isn't humiliating, it's empowering. That's my 2 cents.



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