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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 1:28:11 PM   
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It's just my opinion, but saying that ISIS is Muslim is kind of like saying that the Westboro Babtist Church is Christian.


More like saying that the Taliban are Muslims, or that Boko Haram are Muslims, or that al-Qaeda are Muslims, or Hezbollah are Muslims...

Extremists one and all....Igor's point went right over your simple head, didn't it ?

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 1:30:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		the folks at westboro consistently teach and act in ways contrary to what scripture and jesus teach and the overwhelming majority of churches in the country can point that out in a heartbeat and justly call into question the veracity of any inward spiritual conversion the people at westboro have had.

the question is---can the muslims who are not acting in the same way as ISIS is, do the same? given the little of the Koran ive read that calls for jihad, slaying the infidel, and other violent means for achieving a caliphate, I don't think they can.

the short of it as I see it is---the westboro:Christian comparison to ISIS:islam comparison doesn't hold up.

its really not a simple matter of "extremes", its more a matter of who is being ultimately faithful to their sacred teachings.





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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 1:30:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Paging through the last few pages of this thread is entertaining.

First, you can't prove one silly claim, then you spin and dance and grasp at straws until you double down on another silly claim you can't prove, only to repeat the process all over again, until here, where you finally just insist you never said any of it.

Somewhere, there's a psych book case study with your name on it.

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 1:31:49 PM   
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the folks at westboro consistently teach and act in ways contrary to what scripture and jesus teach and the overwhelming majority of churches in the country can point that out in a heartbeat and justly call into question the veracity of any inward spiritual conversion the people at westboro have had.

the question is---can the muslims who are not acting in the same way as ISIS is, do the same?


Yup, and they have, and it's been cited in this forum at great length.

The response? You Islamaphobes call it "cherry picking."

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 1:41:48 PM   
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its really not a simple matter of "extremes", its more a matter of who is being ultimately faithful to their sacred teachings.



Thats why Islamists are found all over the world making the news again and again and again doing what their holy book commands

Paris, London, Boston, Syria, Congo... Not just one group some nowhere place like Westboro

And then, how many have the Westboro people slaughtered

No comparison







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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 1:55:24 PM   
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That's five Muslims for every American (including Muslim Americans).

If they're trying to take over, they're doing a really, really lousy job of it.

AND.....again, a lot of that "Islamic" violence is against --> other Muslims.

In short...it's not always about you.

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 1:57:41 PM   
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the folks at westboro consistently teach and act in ways contrary to what scripture and jesus teach and the overwhelming majority of churches in the country can point that out in a heartbeat and justly call into question the veracity of any inward spiritual conversion the people at westboro have had.

the question is---can the muslims who are not acting in the same way as ISIS is, do the same?


Yup, and they have, and it's been cited in this forum at great length.

The response? You Islamaphobes call it "cherry picking."


If a Christian commits murder its a crime in our culture, and vigorously prosecuted

Islamic law calls for such murder, and many Islamic governments / states / leaders spearhead various atrocities in the name of Allah

Just a bit of a difference there

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 2:03:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		You think every Muslim and every Muslim leader and every Muslim country are the same.

They aren't. A world of difference -- literally.

Nor do they even agree in the Middle East . . . hence, ISIS fighting other Muslims, Shia fighting Sunni, Al Qaeda fighting Saudi Arabia . . .

The US isn't simplistically left/right, and the world isn't simplistically Christian/Muslim.

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 2:08:29 PM   
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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 2:12:07 PM   
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You think every Muslim and every Muslim leader and every Muslim country are the same.

They aren't. A world of difference -- literally.

Nor do they even agree in the Middle East . . . hence, ISIS fighting other Muslims, Shia fighting Sunni, Al Qaeda fighting Saudi Arabia . . .

The US isn't simplistically left/right, and the world isn't simplistically Christian/Muslim.


To argue against me, you habitually use a straw man in my stead. You are too challenged to debate my actual words


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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 2:13:11 PM   
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Your post painted all Muslims with the same brush. If you don't mean it, don't type it.

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 2:17:20 PM   
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Not at all. You're just too small to acknowledge it.

Your post painted all Muslims with the same brush. If you don't mean it, don't type it.


I wrote "many"

I really feel sorry for you


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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 2:19:48 PM   
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Reality and you just aren't friends.

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 2:21:50 PM   
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the folks at westboro consistently teach and act in ways contrary to what scripture and jesus teach and the overwhelming majority of churches in the country can point that out in a heartbeat and justly call into question the veracity of any inward spiritual conversion the people at westboro have had.

the question is---can the muslims who are not acting in the same way as ISIS is, do the same?


Yup, and they have, and it's been cited in this forum at great length.

The response? You Islamaphobes call it "cherry picking."


If a Christian commits murder its a crime in our culture, and vigorously prosecuted

Islamic law calls for such murder, and many Islamic governments / states / leaders spearhead various atrocities in the name of Allah

Just a bit of a difference there


Seriously MM, get yourself checked out

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 2:24:46 PM   
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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 2:29:15 PM   
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Denial, further straw man bs... Utter childishness

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 2:30:23 PM   
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They got Korans, and they're gonna Sharia Law ya! Look out !!!!

Run, Forrest, RUN!!!!

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 4:35:28 PM   
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It is not where but if Politesub...the group existed before our involvement why would you think if we were not involved it would suddenly disband?

Butch


Like Sanity et al, you just dont fucking get it. I thought you at least were capable or proper research.

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 4:43:51 PM   
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And if you had 1/2 a brain you pinhead you would have realized that what I did was show DS what you really said. But go ahead and keep acting like a fuckwit. It's what you do best.


Like hell you did. If you were backing me up you would have said so.

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/10/2015 3:03:59 AM   
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the folks at westboro consistently teach and act in ways contrary to what scripture and jesus teach and the overwhelming majority of churches in the country can point that out in a heartbeat and justly call into question the veracity of any inward spiritual conversion the people at westboro have had.
the question is---can the muslims who are not acting in the same way as ISIS is, do the same?

Yup, and they have, and it's been cited in this forum at great length.
The response? You Islamaphobes call it "cherry picking."


The problem has been that the Muslims decrying ISIS, et. al. have not gotten the air time that ISIS, et. al. have been getting (which story is more likely to get viewership, a Muslim cleric calling out ISIS, or ISIS's latest abuse?). We finally get to see the violent extremist Muslims being fought by non-extremist Muslims. I, for one, am happy to see it. I think the typical Muslim has finally had it, and we'll see more pushback against all the violent extremist Muslim groups going forward.

Hopefully, it will result in a general reduction in tensions in the Middle East.


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