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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 8:04:24 AM   
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Yeah, your usual terms for reality.

Let's take this slow...who lives in Iraq?

You can Google the answer if it helps. What religion are they?




You really think that you know everything, when in fact you are one of the lowest, most ignorant trolls on here

Islamic State militants continue to defy international humanitarian laws by selling abducted Syrian and Iraqi children as sex slaves, torturing them, and crucifying and burying them alive, a United Nations watchdog reported on Wednesday.The abducted children are mostly from Christian communities and some are Shi'ites and Sunnis...

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 8:05:53 AM   
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It still hasn't dawned on you that ISIS is taking control of Muslim territory and fighting Muslims to do so.

Maybe if you sat down and drew pictures?


Only partially true, and a red herring.

If it is only partially true that "ISIS is taking control of Muslim territory and fighting Muslims to do so" you might like to enlighten us which part of the areas controlled by ISIS in Syria and Iraq is not completely or overwhelmingly Muslim.

Any why is it a red herring to point out that most of ISIS's victims are Muslims? It is a fact that most of ISIS's victims are Muslims and such facts are surely relevant to this discussion.

Of course such facts are inconvenient to your woefully bigoted highly imaginary 'understanding' of the Middle East. But the problem lies with your erroneous understanding of that part of the world and facts that amplify that misunderstanding are not red herrings - they are evidence that directly contradicts your ill informed fantasies.

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 8:07:19 AM   
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It still hasn't dawned on you that ISIS is taking control of Muslim territory and fighting Muslims to do so.
Maybe if you sat down and drew pictures?

Just because Muslims actually do fight against each other, thanks to their differing opinions of what apostasy means, or what is A non-islamic person, does not mean ISIS is not Muslim right? That's like saying Protestants aren't Christians.

Hell, the majority Muslims in Indonesia went after and put to death several minor tiny cults of Islam that does not adhere to their idea of Islam, because they view it as unIslamic.

I hope ISIS actually provokes more Muslim countries, so they can take care of their religion created problem.


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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 8:11:28 AM   
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Yeah, your usual terms for reality.

Let's take this slow...who lives in Iraq?

You can Google the answer if it helps. What religion are they?




You really think that you know everything, when in fact you are one of the lowest, most ignorant trolls on here

Islamic State militants continue to defy international humanitarian laws by selling abducted Syrian and Iraqi children as sex slaves, torturing them, and crucifying and burying them alive, a United Nations watchdog reported on Wednesday.The abducted children are mostly from Christian communities and some are Shi'ites and Sunnis...

Hey! Look at you! You get multi-culturalism and that the world isn't simplistic! Awesome!

Of course that 3% Christian population lives next to the 97% of Iraqis that are Muslim ... but don't let reality get in the way of your bigotry and talking points.

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 8:20:32 AM   
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Of course that 3% Christian population lives next to the 97% of Iraqis that are Muslim ...


What do you suppose happened to the 100% of non-Muslims who inhabited the region before the Islamists stormed in

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 8:22:55 AM   
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I hope ISIS actually provokes more Muslim countries, so they can take care of their religion created problem.



Somehow I am doubtful

Again, before the Jordanian pilot was burned alive, a lot of Muslims in Jordan were against getting involved in the fight against ISIS

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AMMAN, Jordan - The gruesome killing and cries for revenge have also drowned out dissenting voices, especially from Jordan's powerful Islamist bloc, the largest political force opposed to the Washington-backed monarchy of King Abdullah II.

Lt. Moaz Kasasbeh's elevation to national martyr status has abruptly made opposition to Jordan's participation in the U.S.-led bombing campaign against the Islamic State group appear unpatriotic, if not treasonous. The immolation of Kasasbeh, captured after his F-16 crashed in Syria while he was on a mission with the U.S.-led coalition, has narrowed what is considered acceptable public debate.

"Sitting in a gray area is no longer acceptable," said Oraib Rintawi, director of the Amman-based Al Quds Center for Political Studies. "Public opinion is very angry."

Before the killing was confirmed, many Jordanians - including the pilot's father and other members of his influential southern tribe - openly questioned any participation in the air campaign, declaring it was not Jordan's fight. Besides fear for air crews' safety, some voiced concern about possible Islamic State reprisal attacks in Jordan.

But exuberant endorsement of the aerial bombardment has now become a virtual test of loyalty. Martial scenes and bellicose declarations from the king and others have replaced the normally drab fare of state television. The pilot's father has called for the "annihilation" of Islamic State.

Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2015/02/09/3635642_jordan-outrage-explodes.html?utm_source=feedburner&rh=1#storylink=cpy


How many Muslims worldwide are joining the fight against ISIS vs how many are flocking to joint the ranks of ISIS

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 8:30:55 AM   
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How many Muslims worldwide are joining the fight against ISIS vs how many are flocking to joint the ranks of ISIS

Maybe one day they will execute some Muslim Journalist as well ha. Interesting to see the response. If want to make ISIS lose support from other Muslims, someone should send in a Muslim journalist to be sacrificial lamb.
With Muslims, first of all, is their definition of what makes one Muslim, as they kill Muslims whom they don't feel are being true Muslims. Secondly, if a Muslim is viewed as hurting their own kind, that they view as a proper Muslim, they would fight big time among themselves aggressively.

Then we can all just stand by and watch the show.

But that Jordan soldier was a member of the royal family, that's why Jordan is super mad too, it's interesting why ISIS executed him, they were just getting over confident and cocky with the Muslim support.



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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 8:31:53 AM   
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Of course that 3% Christian population lives next to the 97% of Iraqis that are Muslim ...


What do you suppose happened to the 100% of non-Muslims who inhabited the region before the Islamists stormed in

What do you suppose happened to the Muslims who inhabited the region before the Islamists stormed in?

Take your time. I know it's hard for you.

Shia vs. Sunni violence is the bulk of this conflict. And brutally.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/12/shia-militia-fightback-against-isis-leads-to-massacre-of-sunnis

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 8:33:00 AM   
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How many Muslims worldwide are joining the fight against ISIS vs how many are flocking to joint the ranks of ISIS

Maybe one day they will execute some Muslim Journalist as well ha. Interesting to see the response. If want to make ISIS lose support from other Muslims, someone should send in a Muslim journalist to be sacrificial lamb.
With Muslims, first of all, is their definition of what makes one Muslim, as they kill Muslims whom they don't feel are being true Muslims. Secondly, if a Muslim is viewed as hurting their own kind, that they view as a proper Muslim, they would fight big time among themselves aggressively.

Then we can all just stand by and watch the show.

But that Jordan soldier was a member of the royal family, that's why Jordan is super mad too, it's interesting why ISIS executed him, they were just getting over confident and cocky with the Muslim support.




It's already, and has been, bloody Sunni vs. Shia.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/12/shia-militia-fightback-against-isis-leads-to-massacre-of-sunnis

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 8:43:20 AM   
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I hope ISIS actually provokes more Muslim countries, so they can take care of their religion created problem.



Somehow I am doubtful

Again, before the Jordanian pilot was burned alive, a lot of Muslims in Jordan were against getting involved in the fight against ISIS

quote:

AMMAN, Jordan - The gruesome killing and cries for revenge have also drowned out dissenting voices, especially from Jordan's powerful Islamist bloc, the largest political force opposed to the Washington-backed monarchy of King Abdullah II.

Lt. Moaz Kasasbeh's elevation to national martyr status has abruptly made opposition to Jordan's participation in the U.S.-led bombing campaign against the Islamic State group appear unpatriotic, if not treasonous. The immolation of Kasasbeh, captured after his F-16 crashed in Syria while he was on a mission with the U.S.-led coalition, has narrowed what is considered acceptable public debate.

"Sitting in a gray area is no longer acceptable," said Oraib Rintawi, director of the Amman-based Al Quds Center for Political Studies. "Public opinion is very angry."

Before the killing was confirmed, many Jordanians - including the pilot's father and other members of his influential southern tribe - openly questioned any participation in the air campaign, declaring it was not Jordan's fight. Besides fear for air crews' safety, some voiced concern about possible Islamic State reprisal attacks in Jordan.

But exuberant endorsement of the aerial bombardment has now become a virtual test of loyalty. Martial scenes and bellicose declarations from the king and others have replaced the normally drab fare of state television. The pilot's father has called for the "annihilation" of Islamic State.

Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2015/02/09/3635642_jordan-outrage-explodes.html?utm_source=feedburner&rh=1#storylink=cpy


How many Muslims worldwide are joining the fight against ISIS vs how many are flocking to joint the ranks of ISIS

UAE has joined the fight. And once they start ISIS may well not let them quit. I think I saw that Saudi Arabia is considering joining in as well. Once they get in it ISIS will make them stick with it to the end.

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 8:43:48 AM   
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What do you suppose happened to the Muslims who inhabited the region before the Islamists stormed in?



Before there were Muslims there, there werent any Muslims there, you trollish little simpleton.

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 8:46:55 AM   
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Before there were Muslims there, there werent any Muslims there, you trollish little simpleton.


Before Muhammad went bat shit and converting people in the middle east into Muslims, they had their own little pagan religions that involves multiple idols and gods, but certainly weren't Muslims! I think the Persians were a great example, how their true culture was wiped clean and they were all brainwashed thoroughly to turn Islamic.

To think Muhammad pretty much started out as a Christian first and foremost.

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 8:47:02 AM   
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Well, Iraq has been Muslim since the mid-7th century. So I'm pretty sure you're still a moron.

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 8:48:55 AM   
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Before there were Muslims there, there werent any Muslims there, you trollish little simpleton.


Before Muhammad went bat shit and converting people in the middle east into Muslims, they had their own little pagan religious that involves multiple idols and gods, but certainly weren't Muslims!
To think Muhammad pretty much started out as a Christian first and foremost.


There were Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians...

All gone, save for a fast disappearing tiny minority who are being savaged even further as this is being discussed

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 8:53:22 AM   
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And you think ISIS was responsible?

Getting pretty desperate there. That's bizarre spin even for you.

Assyrians were conquered by the Persians (who were definitely not Christians) in the 3rd century.

Prior to that, it was Mesopotamia.

The Mesopotamians believed:

The world was a flat disk that was surrounded by a vast hollow space and that this was enclosed in an over-arching heaven.
The sea was all around the earth...top bottom and sides.
The universe had been born of these waters.

The Sumerian word for universe is an-ki. This denotes the god AN and the goddesss KI. Their offspring was ENLIL-the air god. He is considered the most powerful god in the Sumerian pantheon. Mesopotamians were polytheistic. In other words they believed in many gods. The Sumerians were clearly in touch with the spirit world...In matters of physical health, they relied on spiritual remedies, and turned to exorcists, to get rid of the demons that were possessing them.

Enlil and his powers...parallels the Greek God Zeus and the Roman God Jupiter.

They don't sound Christian either.

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 9:02:26 AM   
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And you think ISIS was responsible?



Did I write that? No. You think and argue like a preschooler.

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Assyrians were conquered by the Persians (who were definitely not Christians) in the 3rd century.

Prior to that, it was Mesopotamia.

The Mesopotamians believed:

The world was a flat disk that was surrounded by a vast hollow space and that this was enclosed in an over-arching heaven.
The sea was all around the earth...top bottom and sides.
The universe had been born of these waters.

The Sumerian word for universe is an-ki. This denotes the god AN and the goddesss KI. Their offspring was ENLIL-the air god. He is considered the most powerful god in the Sumerian pantheon. Mesopotamians were polytheistic. In other words they believed in many gods. The Sumerians were clearly in touch with the spirit world...In matters of physical health, they relied on spiritual remedies, and turned to exorcists, to get rid of the demons that were possessing them.

Enlil and his powers...parallels the Greek God Zeus and the Roman God Jupiter.

They don't sound Christian either.


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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 9:10:25 AM   
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Yup. They're Muslims now. Ever since the 7th century.

See how that works?

Glad you finally got there.

So if you're fighting the people who live in Iraq today, you are fighting .... come on, I know you can do it! Think hard!!!!

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 9:37:19 AM   
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Yup. They're Muslims now. Ever since the 7th century.



Beginning in the 7th century, dunce.

That aside, it is bizarre logic that you use

What Europe did to indigenous people of Africa, Australia, North and South America etc is wrong, but what Islam did to the original peoples of the ME is acceptable to you, because it began in the 7th century. Even though (check the newspaper) it is still ongoing here in modern times

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 9:41:15 AM   
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I'm so lost in this thread, but my interpretation is that MusicMystery is in denial that ISIS are Muslims.

So are we arguing if ISIS are actually Muslims at all?

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RE: Has ISIS finally went too far? - 2/9/2015 9:48:07 AM   
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No, no he isnt, re read the thread.
because, you arent grasping it at all


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