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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

point 1.

Has ISIS finally gone too far, not went

Just me being a twat.

Point 2.

Who really gives a fuck about Jordan?

There will be some sabre rattling, condemnation and outrage but he's a Jordanian.

Point 3.

Until ISIS starts fucking with countries we care about jack shit will happen.

Point 4.

There is no political gain for either America or us Brits in wasting billions of $/£ and hundreds/thousands of lives trying to stop them, even if we thought we could, with elections coming up.

Point 5.

Reality is a bitch

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

point 1.

Has ISIS finally gone too far, not went

Just me being a twat.

Point 2.

Who really gives a fuck about Jordan?

There will be some sabre rattling, condemnation and outrage but he's a Jordanian.

Point 3.

Until ISIS starts fucking with countries we care about jack shit will happen.

Point 4.

There is no political gain for either America or us Brits in wasting billions of $/£ and hundreds/thousands of lives trying to stop them, even if we thought we could, with elections coming up.

Point 5.

Reality is a bitch

This thread was more about what Jordan and Japan was going to do.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Japan cant do much except add a few naval ships or a helicopter carrier to the coalition navy. Jordan may well execute any IS terrorists they hold but anything else will be done alongside the coalition.

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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies
they're going to do fuck all because there is fuck all they can do

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

This sums up my feelings so much more eloquently than I ever could:

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You know I'm a man that believes in the law; after your family, it's about the only thing you've got to believe in. But there are plenty of men that don't care about the law; men who will take part in all kinds of viciousness and don't care who gets hurt. In fact, the more that get hurt, the better. When you find yourself in a fight with such viciousness, hit first, if you can and when you do hit, hit to kill. You'll know. Don't worry. You'll know, when it comes to that.

Michael

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Yea it’s enough to make you wonder… I think we should forget about this crap and get back to the important stuff like hanging Henry Kissinger. The Zionist dog

Butch

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


I haven't checked the veracity of this, but it's being reported, by a few different sources.

Apparently, the Jordanian pilot was killed a month ago, right after he was captured and IS was still demanding ransom (and a "misunderstood" female suicide bomber), right before the video of this animal brutality was released.

People are saying that this is also a blow for IS because their credibility (if they had any) regarding negotiations for ransom is now shot all to hell and gone; that people can now factor in: "Well, shit. We can give them the money and our people will be dead, anyway".

I will posit that one of the problems with a "war on terror" is that terrorists don't have a government (although, they probably have a hierarchy). They're spread all over the place like horse shit in the lower forty (I like the analogy of scumbag terrorists to horse shit. Sue me). I think, though, that it may be fair to say that IS is using Syria as a base of operations.

I said, in another thread, recently that it is time for us to stop letting Islamic scumba ... errr ... extremists bring the fight to us. It is time to bring the fight to them and this is one fight we had better fight to win, from the beginning. No "peace keeping" bullshit. They need to to be eradicated and annihilated.



Michael

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Yet this very post shows you why it is almost impossible to take the fight to them. They have no fixed base, in an area of the world with no real borders. They move fluidly between Syria and Iraq, just as the Taliban and AQ move fluidly between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

As for stopping them, well there was one thing GWB and Blair could have done (although I doubt Tony got much say) And that would have been to do what Bush Cheney et al claimed they would do. BUILD AN INCLUSIVE IRAQ. The day Bremer sacked the majority of Sunnis from any posts they held in the Government/Army, then the seeds of today were sown. AQ gained a stronghold among the Sunni, something they never had, despite georges claim, when saddam was in power. Infact back in 2010 American forces had killed most of the original leaders of ISIL, many of the new leaders come from the original Baathist officers who were under Saddam.

Does anyone doubt that if they had had better equality under Shia rule, we would be where we are today.

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
I haven't checked the veracity of this, but it's being reported, by a few different sources.
Apparently, the Jordanian pilot was killed a month ago, right after he was captured and IS was still demanding ransom (and a "misunderstood" female suicide bomber), right before the video of this animal brutality was released.
Michael

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
As for stopping them, well there was one thing GWB and Blair could have done (although I doubt Tony got much say) And that would have been to do what Bush Cheney et al claimed they would do. BUILD AN INCLUSIVE IRAQ. The day Bremer sacked the majority of Sunnis from any posts they held in the Government/Army, then the seeds of today were sown. AQ gained a stronghold among the Sunni, something they never had, despite georges claim, when saddam was in power. Infact back in 2010 American forces had killed most of the original leaders of ISIL, many of the new leaders come from the original Baathist officers who were under Saddam.
Does anyone doubt that if they had had better equality under Shia rule, we would be where we are today.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
Yet this very post shows you why it is almost impossible to take the fight to them. They have no fixed base, in an area of the world with no real borders. They move fluidly between Syria and Iraq, just as the Taliban and AQ move fluidly between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
As for stopping them, well there was one thing GWB and Blair could have done (although I doubt Tony got much say) And that would have been to do what Bush Cheney et al claimed they would do. BUILD AN INCLUSIVE IRAQ. The day Bremer sacked the majority of Sunnis from any posts they held in the Government/Army, then the seeds of today were sown. AQ gained a stronghold among the Sunni, something they never had, despite georges claim, when saddam was in power. Infact back in 2010 American forces had killed most of the original leaders of ISIL, many of the new leaders come from the original Baathist officers who were under Saddam.
Does anyone doubt that if they had had better equality under Shia rule, we would be where we are today.

The seeds for ISIS were sewn when Barack Obama laughingly called them "Junior Varsity" as he headed out to the golf course
Under Saddam & Sons the Baathists (Sunnis) ruled over the Shia and everyone else in Iraq with bloody iron fists. Whatever the question, genocide was the answer
The perfect people in your view to run Iraq, but thats no surprise

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Yet this very post shows you why it is almost impossible to take the fight to them. They have no fixed base, in an area of the world with no real borders. They move fluidly between Syria and Iraq, just as the Taliban and AQ move fluidly between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

As for stopping them, well there was one thing GWB and Blair could have done (although I doubt Tony got much say) And that would have been to do what Bush Cheney et al claimed they would do. BUILD AN INCLUSIVE IRAQ. The day Bremer sacked the majority of Sunnis from any posts they held in the Government/Army, then the seeds of today were sown. AQ gained a stronghold among the Sunni, something they never had, despite georges claim, when saddam was in power. Infact back in 2010 American forces had killed most of the original leaders of ISIL, many of the new leaders come from the original Baathist officers who were under Saddam.

Does anyone doubt that if they had had better equality under Shia rule, we would be where we are today.

The seeds for ISIS were sewn when Barack Obama laughingly called them "Junior Varsity" as he headed out to the golf course

Under Saddam & Sons the Baathists (Sunnis) ruled over the Shia and everyone else in Iraq with bloody iron fists. Whatever the question, genocide was the answer

The perfect people in your view to run Iraq, but thats no surprise