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littleladybug -> RE: Advertising Women (2/9/2015 8:02:27 AM)
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littleladybug -> RE: Advertising Women (2/9/2015 8:03:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littleladybug is there fundamentally anything wrong with buying make-up or coloring your hair? Or buying cologne or aftershave? Or whatever is sold through these sorts of ads? I would say "no", so long as it isn't done to try to attain a certain standard, or to fit a stereotype. quote: ORIGINAL: Tidsel Why else would it be done? Because you want to? I have a large collection of nail polish. Seriously, more than anyone should have in a lifetime. I enjoy doing my nails each week, and having a color polish on that reflects my mood or goes with a certain special outfit. The key phrase there is "I enjoy". If someone comments or compliments me on it, swell. That's not why I do it. And, certainly, the last thing in my mind is that I do it because I saw it in a magazine somewhere. For me, the key is to put any of this into its proper perspective. (Thanks mom and dad!!) Is any of this life-changing or all-consuming? No. Anything that I do in the physical realm is something that enhances the way I feel about myself, it does not define it. Have I been "desensitized" to the crap that's out there? Sure. Is that a bad thing? I don't see how it could be considered as such. Without a doubt, the issue is there, just as it was when I was growing up. I don't see this as something earth-shattering though because I, like many others, have lived through it and been just fine. Edited to correct quoting at top.

sexyred1 -> RE: Advertising Women (2/9/2015 8:48:16 AM)
Having been in advertising for my entire career, I can tell you do not blame ads. Blame our consumer culture and aspirations.. Advertising and marketing simply present products/services that they believe people want, based on consumer research. What people want is based on our culture, including our obsession with celebrity, now more than ever. That is why celebrities replaced models in many ads. The obsession to look like our celebrities and models is formed early on, despite the best attempts at parenting. Especially now, with technology and social media, it's never ending and you cannot protect against it. You can only hope to instill values and perspective. Do I like that my young teen nieces think they are fat when they are not and they compare themselves to music icons? No. Do I mind that they wear make up and get their hair done earlier than when I started? No, because they received these cultural messages earlier and more often than I did growing up. But, I still love ads about beauty because there is nothing wrong with trying to look good. You will never be able to change consumer perception and aspirational marketing.

PeonForHer -> RE: Advertising Women (2/9/2015 10:29:50 AM)
quote: You will never be able to change consumer perception.... Eh? I thought the whole point of advertising was to change that.

sexyred1 -> RE: Advertising Women (2/9/2015 3:48:35 PM)
I meant you cannot change consumers wanting things based on aspirational desires, which are placed there by celebrity worship and fashion, making them feel less than, if they don't look like that. Ads just service this need.

thishereboi -> RE: Advertising Women (2/12/2015 10:13:11 AM)
fr You can always get her some of these dolls https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=759402657487700&fref=nf http://treechangedolls.tumblr.com/

DesFIP -> RE: Advertising Women (2/12/2015 4:30:49 PM)
You do better to get girls involved in sports. At the end of the basketball game or the tennis match, all the girls will be sweating. That's when you come back after she says something about her looks that stresses how her body is so excellent. That it works so she made the serve or the basket. Focusing on how amazing it is that she can do what she does.

shiftyw -> RE: Advertising Women (2/12/2015 6:47:40 PM)
What if she hates sports? I HATED sports. I still do. My body isn't fine? I'm so glad I WASN'T involved with sports. My parents let me CHOOSE what I wanted to do, I rode horses (but was still out of shape) and did art. I think there is a lot more to love about a body than its ability to play sports. I think that advice is as silly as measuring up to beauty standards.

Lucylastic -> RE: Advertising Women (2/12/2015 7:23:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 Having been in advertising for my entire career, I can tell you do not blame ads. Blame our consumer culture and aspirations.. Advertising and marketing simply present products/services that they believe people want, based on consumer research. What people want is based on our culture, including our obsession with celebrity, now more than ever. That is why celebrities replaced models in many ads. The obsession to look like our celebrities and models is formed early on, despite the best attempts at parenting. Especially now, with technology and social media, it's never ending and you cannot protect against it. You can only hope to instill values and perspective. Do I like that my young teen nieces think they are fat when they are not and they compare themselves to music icons? No. Do I mind that they wear make up and get their hair done earlier than when I started? No, because they received these cultural messages earlier and more often than I did growing up. But, I still love ads about beauty because there is nothing wrong with trying to look good. You will never be able to change consumer perception and aspirational marketing. Hello Lovely Lady hope you are feeling good right now. This is a bit of a ramble cos I have long felt dislike of advertising since I moved to North America BUT:) Ive been fat my entire life...I was 10lb five ounces born, I looked six months at 3. At age 11, I was 155lb, despite dancing practice 8 hours a week. Ive been called fatty four eyes since I was seven, Yes, some serious self esteem issues for MOST Of my life. My issue was that I was a size above the top acceptable fashion sizing... which back in the 70s in the UK was a 14. I was a 16-18. Fashion for those sizes was for old matrons. I had a very adult sense of sexuality at 14 and wanted lingerie, party clothing. it was a nightmare I had to make most of my clothes if I wanted something "special". My search led me to Ann Summers (sex toys and lingerie) back in the mid 80s, they didnt have much in plus sizes, but they had a few, I worked my way up to manager, then my life changed and I moved over to Canada pregnant and with a 3 yr old. Fast forward to 2015. Ive owned a company that was mainly BDSM but also fetish and lingerie gear, as long as they had a plus line, I had that quite successful for 10 years. Now I own a corset shop that only has corsets that go up to a size 45 inch waist. Why? because its a market that wasnt open to me when I was looking for sexy stuff as a fatty. The biggest news of the year for me, and at least two decades overdue, is that Tess Munster, is largest plus-size model to be signed to a mainstream modeling agency. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tess_Munster http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/01/26/tess-holliday-plus-milk-model-contract_n_6551370.html http://tessmunster.com/ http://instagram.com/effyourbeautystandards Ive been following her and other plus size models and plus size clothing companies for a couple of years, to promote, to share and enjoy with other women of my size and over. Not wanting to turn this into a fat thread, but it is an advertising stunt I can and will follow. I do strongly dislike most adverts, brand names and wont buy some brands because of their ads. its so false, so materialistic, I love the horse adverts for bud, but Ive never bought a case of it, the stuff is...foul(taste is subjective:)) Sorry for the ramble..pain killers taking hold so Im gonna stop for now. Hope this makes some kind of sense Hah reminds me I got a free swiffer today, I gave it to hubby, and said if you have an orgasm while you dance around and swiffer, Ill have a go... But if theres no orgasm, I wont be buying one:) heh:)

DesFIP -> RE: Advertising Women (2/12/2015 7:31:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: shiftyw What if she hates sports? I HATED sports. I still do. My body isn't fine? I'm so glad I WASN'T involved with sports. My parents let me CHOOSE what I wanted to do, I rode horses (but was still out of shape) and did art. I think there is a lot more to love about a body than its ability to play sports. I think that advice is as silly as measuring up to beauty standards. Riding horses is a sport. My daughter was offered a free ride to college for that. And she's overweight, always has been as a result of medication. But her body is healthy and strong and capable of shoveling stalls, unloading trucks full of hay, and that's what I stressed to her, not what she looks like but what she could do. Riding horses is probably the best self esteem making activity a girl can do. There's some little kid barely 100 pounds soaking wet and she's controlling a 1200 pound animal. If you can do that, you can use that discipline to accomplish anything you set your mind to.

MrRodgers -> RE: Advertising Women (2/12/2015 9:41:19 PM)
Blame Edward Louis Bernays. (November 22, 1891 − March 9, 1995) was an Austrian-American pioneer in the field of public relations and propaganda, referred to in his obituary as "the father of public relations." He combined the ideas of Gustave Le Bon and Wilfred Trotter on crowd psychology with the psychoanalytical ideas of his uncle, Sigmund Freud. He felt this manipulation was necessary in society, which he regarded as irrational and dangerous as a result of the "herd instinct" that Trotter had described. Adam Curtis's award-winning 2002 documentary for the BBC, The Century of the Self, pinpoints Bernays as the originator of modern public relations, and Bernays was named one of the 100 most influential Americans of the 20th century by Life magazine.

shiftyw -> RE: Advertising Women (2/13/2015 5:50:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP quote: ORIGINAL: shiftyw What if she hates sports? I HATED sports. I still do. My body isn't fine? I'm so glad I WASN'T involved with sports. My parents let me CHOOSE what I wanted to do, I rode horses (but was still out of shape) and did art. I think there is a lot more to love about a body than its ability to play sports. I think that advice is as silly as measuring up to beauty standards. Riding horses is a sport. My daughter was offered a free ride to college for that. And she's overweight, always has been as a result of medication. But her body is healthy and strong and capable of shoveling stalls, unloading trucks full of hay, and that's what I stressed to her, not what she looks like but what she could do. Riding horses is probably the best self esteem making activity a girl can do. There's some little kid barely 100 pounds soaking wet and she's controlling a 1200 pound animal. If you can do that, you can use that discipline to accomplish anything you set your mind to. To me, body positivity has to come from somewhere else. After a car accident I really couldn't do anything for a while. And my body felt (and occasionally still feels) like a prison. My depressing and self esteem hit a real low. It got to the point I was grateful to be able to get out of bed in the morning. So to me, being intelligent and kind had to really be enough to boost myself up with.

DesFIP -> RE: Advertising Women (2/13/2015 4:49:36 PM)
No argument with that. But we started out discussing how to prevent the ordinary young girl, without special challenges, to fall into the trap of feeling that unless they wear a size zero with perfect skin that they are worthless. And for that, the best thing I know is to point out what their body does for them.

cloudboy -> RE: Advertising Women (2/16/2015 12:10:26 PM)
Read this great piece from the NYT that I considered directly on point: • Women have always had plenty to worry about: stretch marks and eye bags, age spots and wrinkles, belly rolls and cellulite, butts and boobs that were too big, too small, too droopy, mismatched or asymmetrical or just plain wrong. Feeling bad about your neck is practically a cliché. But your ladyplace? --- (Have to say, I'm not sure what she's talking about here, but here is her description of it: "This year, the hot new body part is the formerly unnoticed span of flesh between the top of one’s panties and the labia majora, currently displayed on the cover of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition by the model Hannah Davis.)" • Show me a body part, I’ll show you someone who’s making money by telling women that theirs looks wrong and they need to fix it. Tone it, work it out, tan it, bleach it, tattoo it, lipo it, remove all the hair, lose every bit of jiggle. ----- Here's the author's answer to my question in the OP. Girls’ and women’s lives matter. Their safety and health and their rights matter. Whether every inch of them looks like a magazine cover? That, my sisters, does not matter at all.

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