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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Ok, guys, if you talk of the Ku Klux Klan, in comparison to the far right you should specify which iteration of the KKK you mean.

A> The vigilantes organized to combat excesses of the occupied south and disbanded once the voting and self determination was restored.
B> The political movement that used fear of the "Yellow Peril" and immigrants destroying our American way of life back in the 1920s and 1930s. Heck that was a political movement centered in the Midwest and claimed that 1/3 of the country belonged at one time. It fell apart after the national leader was convicted of abducting and raping a secretary. (Yes, in its heyday, the KKK had more members in Ohio and Indiana than they ever had in the deep south.)
C> The violent anti-civil rights organization of the 1950s and 1060s. (Don't get me started about Cecil Price and Philadelphia MS)
D> The minority organization of David Duke that still tries to sell racial purity as a political issue. <not taken very seriously any more>

So, which iteration of the KKK are we talking about that is like the right wing in the UK? Or, is it the John Birch Society that tried to make out everything wrong in the country was due to communist agents? (Substitute Islamic terrorists for communist agents and you could recycle all the old Bircher literature)

I still like my Grandfather's take on the KKK back in the early 60s, "A bunch of ignorant rednecks with more anger than sense." And that was the attitude in Neshoba County until they murdered three political activists from Chicago and buried them in a levee. After that; being known as a KKK member caused businesses to be boycotted and people being ostracized to the point of being asked not to attend church services. And those crazy FBI agents... the phrase "mad dogs and Englishmen" comes to mind as they tried to be incognito but they were the only people in a hundred miles wearing black coats and black ties in 100F+ heat.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

Ok, guys, if you talk of the Ku Klux Klan, in comparison to the far right you should specify which iteration of the KKK you mean.

A> The vigilantes organized to combat excesses of the occupied south and disbanded once the voting and self determination was restored.
B> The political movement that used fear of the "Yellow Peril" and immigrants destroying our American way of life back in the 1920s and 1930s. Heck that was a political movement centered in the Midwest and claimed that 1/3 of the country belonged at one time. It fell apart after the national leader was convicted of abducting and raping a secretary. (Yes, in its heyday, the KKK had more members in Ohio and Indiana than they ever had in the deep south.)
C> The violent anti-civil rights organization of the 1950s and 1060s. (Don't get me started about Cecil Price and Philadelphia MS)
D> The minority organization of David Duke that still tries to sell racial purity as a political issue. <not taken very seriously any more>

So, which iteration of the KKK are we talking about that is like the right wing in the UK? Or, is it the John Birch Society that tried to make out everything wrong in the country was due to communist agents? (Substitute Islamic terrorists for communist agents and you could recycle all the old Bircher literature)

I still like my Grandfather's take on the KKK back in the early 60s, "A bunch of ignorant rednecks with more anger than sense." And that was the attitude in Neshoba County until they murdered three political activists from Chicago and buried them in a levee. After that; being known as a KKK member caused businesses to be boycotted and people being ostracized to the point of being asked not to attend church services. And those crazy FBI agents... the phrase "mad dogs and Englishmen" comes to mind as they tried to be incognito but they were the only people in a hundred miles wearing black coats and black ties in 100F+ heat.

You're kidding me aren't you ?
No matter which "iteration" you are referring to they are assholes,they have been such since the day Confederate veterans first banded together and cut peep holes in their damm bed sheets.

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You'll always be able to find the odd anecdote relating to some journalist being drawn to fascist politics, or some business owner being a football hooligan.

But these are the exceptions to the rule. They are overwhelmingly unemployed or in unskilled occupations. John Williams at Liverpool University, among others, has been documenting the lives of football hooligans for years.

Wrong again on two counts, the names I gave are factual and not ancedotes. It is easier to check the facts but lazier to rubbish them. It still remains that much of the far right are not just unskilled unemployed louts, we ignore them at our peril.

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The far right are drawn almost exclusively from a part of the population with few qualifications and skills. There's a reason for that.

Oh I would love to hear your reasons...but i guess we all know what they would be... conservative people are stupid criminals that love to deal in sex slavery unlike us... the enlightened well educated and well trained. Yep poor people are just dumb asses that is why they are poor... don't we all know that?

Butch

No. What is being said and warned about is that conservative people are stupid criminals that are WORSE than those who deal in sex slavery and rape rings.

Either you can't read, can't comprehend or are willfully manipulating posts.

For the benefit of doubt and for the last time:

The far right in England is our equivalent of the KKK.

I'm assuming you're not much of a fan of the KKK, but perhaps I am mistaken.

The KKK is considered by most to be a joke.

If the UK is anything like the US or Europe, Jews will continue to be the favored target of hate crimes, not Muslims. So yeah. . . I could not care less if the abusers (who are out on bail WTF?) get their feelings hurt.

Given the KKK are viewed as a joke in the United States, then why are you on a crusade to save the conservative name when we call our far right a joke? Mischief or boredom?

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Gotcha,
Rather like the people that think the federal government should legislate what medical care you can obtain.
And the ones that want creation science taught in school.
And sometimes have representatives to vote to make Pi equal to 3.

And it is no longer politically correct to call them idiots when they blither. Especially when their public tantrums make the news cameras.

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The problem arises when "creation" science is taught to the exclusion of other,actually real ,science .
Which is more often than not the result of these school boards meddling in the curriculum .
Parents have the right to teach the kids what they want,other parents have the right to expect that their local school is teaching kids what they need to compete in the world,in all fields.

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I was just wondering if there was some sort of equivalent of how we in America like Westerns and sometimes take a more idealized approach to history.

The reason I ask is because I know some right-wingers who would adamantly deny that they are even the slightest bit racist, yet they still might look at our own past through rose-colored glasses and overlook some of the more "inconvenient" truths of our history.

And it's very often the case where, when we Americans turn up in other people's countries, the stated motive of the right-wing is that we're there to save the world from itself, a 21st century version of "White Man's Burden."

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The problem arises when "creation" science is taught to the exclusion of other,actually real ,science .
Which is more often than not the result of these school boards meddling in the curriculum .
Parents have the right to teach the kids what they want,other parents have the right to expect that their local school is teaching kids what they need to compete in the world,in all fields.

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominantI'd sure like to see anyone cite one instance where the teaching of creation science to the exclusion of other theories was asked for.

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Just guessing but I would start my search in Texas,then expand outward in a sort of concentric fashion...you will strike paydirt.
I have neither the time nor the inclination at the moment

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I'd like to see any evidence that "creation science" is science.

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominantI'd sure like to see anyone cite one instance where the teaching of creation science to the exclusion of other theories was asked for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial