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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/7/2015 6:26:56 PM   
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You do know that Totalitarianism and Communism are two different things,don't you ?
In case you didn't ,here's a link :http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-communism-and-totalitarianism/

It lays it out in simple language,so you should be good.Interestingly ,when you get confused,this same site will explain differences between all the ideologies and ism's you can think of.Think of it as your own little resource center(hint,use it before posting....lol)

You know that Stalin killed almost as many of his own people as Hitler don't you?

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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/7/2015 6:34:56 PM   
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You do know that Totalitarianism and Communism are two different things,don't you ?
In case you didn't ,here's a link :http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-communism-and-totalitarianism/

It lays it out in simple language,so you should be good.Interestingly ,when you get confused,this same site will explain differences between all the ideologies and ism's you can think of.Think of it as your own little resource center(hint,use it before posting....lol)

You know that Stalin killed almost as many of his own people as Hitler don't you?

What the fuck does that have to do with it ?
Killing an equal amount of innocents somehow negates the ideological differences ?
Makes them null and void somehow ?

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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/7/2015 6:45:28 PM   
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You do know that Totalitarianism and Communism are two different things,don't you ?
In case you didn't ,here's a link :http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-communism-and-totalitarianism/

It lays it out in simple language,so you should be good.Interestingly ,when you get confused,this same site will explain differences between all the ideologies and ism's you can think of.Think of it as your own little resource center(hint,use it before posting....lol)

You know that Stalin killed almost as many of his own people as Hitler don't you?

What the fuck does that have to do with it ?
Killing an equal amount of innocents somehow negates the ideological differences ?
Makes them null and void somehow ?

So no matter how repressive a government is it only counts as being totalitarian if it is right wing?
So if you only count right wing repressive governments are totalitarian he was making a statement based on circular logic. A equals B because we assume that B equals A.
The fact that a Fascist is repressive doesn't in any way prove that a communist can't be.

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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/7/2015 6:47:23 PM   
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You do know that Totalitarianism and Communism are two different things,don't you ?
In case you didn't ,here's a link :http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-communism-and-totalitarianism/

What a crock of shit.

Despite the many differences among totalitarian states, they have several characteristics in common, of which the two most important are: the existence of an ideology that addresses all aspects of life and outlines means to attain the final goal, and a single mass party through which the people are mobilized to muster energy and support. ~Source

a totalitarian regime attempts to control virtually all aspects of the social life including economy, education, art, science, private life and morals of citizens. "The officially proclaimed ideology penetrates into the deepest reaches of societal structure and the totalitarian government seeks to completely control the thoughts and actions of its citizens." ~Source

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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/7/2015 7:35:36 PM   
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Are is that also a "crock"?

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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/7/2015 7:43:40 PM   
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They are also,historically speaking,sworn enemies .

Try to remember that we're talking about here on Earth.

K.


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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/7/2015 8:01:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Those addlepated with the left/right arthritis, talk themselves out of a deeper understanding of history and current events. (Thoughts below are rhetorical.)

Example: Nazis conceived of merging the left and right -- regardless what various politicians called themselves. So certainly it's a little late to be trying to bifurcate WWII Germany now for personal histrionics. And it's inaccurate.

Example: The left/right prism mainly serves to distract Westerners. . The all-important Sunni/Shia comes as a second thought, an afterthought. (Our Western distraction, enabled us to pretend--at our peril--that S Hussein & binLaden would conspire.)

Example: Was the American Civil War between left and right? Is Zionism left or right? Is the Russian system Today (post Yeltsin & Putin) left or right? Is acceptance of drone strikes against those who preach hate, rather than conduct violence. . is that acceptance of those non-trial assassinations.. is that acceptance left or right?

Example: How should the left/right system. . classify groups who consistently spew hate speech against the Koran, Quran (Charlie Hebdo of recent note). Left or right? How should it classify their enemies? Are honor killings an issue for the left or for the right?


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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/7/2015 8:07:21 PM   
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They are also,historically speaking,sworn enemies .

Try to remember that we're talking about here on Earth.

K.



Kiss my ass.....
I know what I was responding to.

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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/7/2015 8:33:26 PM   
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Kiss my ass.....

Your sexual fantasies are of no interest to me, and I would prefer being left out of them.

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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/7/2015 8:46:23 PM   
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Kiss my ass.....

Your sexual fantasies are of no interest to me, and I would prefer being left out of them.

K.



Than you're going to love this one
Fuck you

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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/7/2015 9:05:21 PM   
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Fuck you

I don't think "kiss my ass" and "fuck you" qualify as a defense of your claim. Can you do better?

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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/7/2015 10:39:22 PM   
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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/7/2015 10:41:04 PM   
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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/7/2015 10:42:35 PM   
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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/7/2015 10:53:02 PM   
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Conservative, liberal or left-wing; there will not be a time when a platform is shared with the far right (in England).

The reason being that members of the far right are uniformly ill-educated and devoid of any claim to political acumen.

Wellington once described his army as the scum of the earth, and that's how we view the far right.



So how do you view the far left?



I'm not sure a far left exists in this country, and the far right will be somewhere around 0.5% of the population. It's a moderate country born to compromise, and the absence of any significant far right and far left speaks volumes in terms of what we think about both extremes.

Socialists, however, and there tends to be few of them these days, are undoubtedly better educated than the far right (in this country).

Given a chance, they remain a mob, and to me they're pretty much the same people as the far right except they're shouting about different things.

So, much better educated, but a mob all the same - when occasion calls.

And, to the other bloke, yes, whatever else the left are, they are certainly not racist (in England any road).




that's interesting. Over here we have racists on both sides of the fence. It's sad that that kind of ignorance still exists but it does. Kinda like the sneeches and the stars, some people are always going to find a reason to hate. The only thing you can do is slap then down when you hear it and try to raise the next generation to know better.

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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/7/2015 11:02:06 PM   
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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/8/2015 2:10:17 AM   
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There's a whole raft of utter nastiness being uncovered, which aside from being shameful and depressing is highlighting some really fucked up problems we have over here.

The police are investigating, and charging people when they uncover crimes.

A high proportion of these incidents relate to people from a Pakistani background exploiting young women.

Meanwhile, in Europe there are political groups and organisations that are given the tag "Far Right". There seems to be some real misunderstanding about what this term means - I've tried a couple of times to clarify it on this thread. The term "Far Right" refers pretty exclsively to organizations that are Neo-Nazi, or at least strongly support some of the ideologies of the nazis. They tend to be anti-semitic, racist and generally fucking nasty. So in Europe it's pretty much impossible to confuse this term with any other radically right leaning movement.

These hate groups will cling to, and misuse, any facts or events in order to support their goal of spreading hate.

So when these disgusting crimes are uncovered, there is a genuine concern that these groups will sieze on them to spread more hate.

Nothing in the article posted suggests that the police were considering not pursuing the nasty bastards who committed these abuses (although as a fairly nasty racist rag the Mail always likes to pop a little innuendo in).

In the past, and I fucking shudder as I write this, some investigations weren't pursued because of concerns over the potential impact on race relations, but when this was uncovered the public outcry was such that that sort of stupidity is unlikely to happen again.

So my impression of this thread, and of course I might have got the wrong end of the stick, is that the OP saw the article and made a genuine mistake of misinterpreting it as some kind of dig at right wing thinkers generally, which it was not.



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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/8/2015 2:16:32 AM   
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They are also,historically speaking,sworn enemies .
Are is that also a "crock"?


Well.... yes it appears so to me.

A kettle can be black
A pot can be black.

The idea that Kettle and black are sworn enemies, is certainly a crock of shit.

A right wing regime can be a totalitarian regime
A left wing regime can be a totalitarian regime

Far Right wing ideologies can certainly be sworn enemies of far left wing ideologies (setting aside the irony that both end up adopting the same policies and aproaches).

I think you're linking "totalitarian" with "right wing" in an innovative way, and I think you're wrong to do so.

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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/8/2015 6:10:04 AM   
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I'm sure there must be a few of your countrymen who still pine for the days when the Sun never set on the British Empire?



Broadly speaking, it's not something that occupies our thoughts. There is not a great deal about the British Empire on the television, which tells a story about demand. I'd hazard a guess that there us far more on the television about the Roman Empire, the Vikings and the Anglo-Saxons.

There will be some aristocrats stuffed in a cupboard somewhere who lament the decline of English influence, but they're not representative of the general population.

While we are generally proud of our heritage, which is more to do with values than race, it's more a quiet Patriotism; and as a people we always tended to have moderate ambitions anyway.

The values we hold mean that when we turn up in other people's countries, the motive is either commerce or advancing liberal ideas; as opposed to notions of saving European civilisation.


I was just wondering if there was some sort of equivalent of how we in America like Westerns and sometimes take a more idealized approach to history.

The reason I ask is because I know some right-wingers who would adamantly deny that they are even the slightest bit racist, yet they still might look at our own past through rose-colored glasses and overlook some of the more "inconvenient" truths of our history.

And it's very often the case where, when we Americans turn up in other people's countries, the stated motive of the right-wing is that we're there to save the world from itself, a 21st century version of "White Man's Burden."

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RE: Those awful far-right groups - 2/8/2015 6:12:52 AM   
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the evidence suggests that semi-illiterate peasants alone can see any value in the far right


You do realize what you are saying? So hard working people that are economically challenged are peasants and in your opinion are far more likely to be radical in their politics and lean towards rape and sex trafficking?

Butch


I know exactly what I'm saying, but clearly you don't.

The far right are drawn almost exclusively from a part of the population with few qualifications and skills. There's a reason for that.

Who said anything about them being 'far more likely to rape? I think your eyes are playing tricks on you.



NG..... This is a very dodgy claim to make. If you have a serious case study to back you up, I would love to see it.



Clearly I haven't waltzed round the country examining CVs for skills and qualifications.

But, the BNP were historically from areas of high deprivation in the North West and West Yorkshire, towns such as Burnley, Rochdale, Halifax; and also from deprived areas of London. It is mo coincidence that back in the day they targeted the football terraces, hoping to cash in on frustrated, young white males who were either unemployed or in unskilled work.

The EDL have a large gathering of failed football hooligans in their ranks. I've seen these people close up at a march in Manchester and what a sorry sight. Again, similar people to the BNP, and a large part of the attraction is that because fighting at football has been contained this is a new vehicle for scrapping for them.

And these idiots are costing the tax payer a fortune in policing.



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