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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/10/2015 5:26:18 PM

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Yeah Bama,cause it's only me that wants this madness to end....we are right back to you not giving a shit about all the dead children
We keep coming back to that

So your pro life correct? Because if your pro choice and your making this argument your pretty much a fucking asshole.

Can you really be this stupid.
Let me break it down for you....a fetus is not a child,it has the potential to be a child,but at the point you are referring to it is a fetus.Fact.
So I'm okay with my views on both issues.

So you dont care about dead children, unless it furthers your misguided views got it.

You can call it a fetus to make yourself feel better, doesnt stop it from being a kid, just like calling a calf or a sheep or a baby bear a fetus doesnt change that its a growing baby animal.

What about dead kids due to neglect? Or parental stupidity? Or any other reason kids die other then firearms?

Or are kids only important when they are killed with a bullet...

it's a gun thread Sherlock, which by the way does include parental neglect and stupidity, but doesn't really span all the way out to your views on abortion.

Start a new thread

It does. Heres how, Ill spell it out because your unable to see.

Magic Mike up there has use sandy hook multiple times to further his point that guns are bad and should be taken from everyone because look at the dead kids LOOK AT THEM LOOK AT THEM NOW

IF you care about dead kids, and are going to use dead kids as an argument to take away someones rights

.... you should care about all dead kids, not just those who die to further your point.

Otherwise your using an emotional topic to further your agenda and a hypocrite as well as a terrible person, for using dead children up to further your point.

There for Magic Mike NOT caring about kids who die in the womb, or kids who die because of rat poison being ingested, or any other way kids die outside of a firearm being a cause.

Proves that Magic Mike is a hypocrite who uses children, and a parents grief as a manipulation tool.

Understand Now?

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/10/2015 5:30:23 PM

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Lol,so now a calf is analogous to a fetus.
You aren't stupid.....you're a fucking moron wasting valuable air with each breath you take.
Again ,for the incredibly stupid, a calf or , as you referred to it ,a "sheep" (were you looking for lamb dummy)is in fact alive,by itself,outside of the womb.
It can't in any way be the equal of a fetus

Sorry the in the womb part got over typed... most would understand If I'm saying 2 + _ = 4 would get that I was talking about 2. But you being as dense as you are missed that..

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/10/2015 5:35:16 PM

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Sorry you got yourself all worked up there kittin but if you don't like being shamed for your thoughtless views....than start putting some thought into those views.
Can you tell me it's not a near certainty that it will happen again absent some change ?
Of course you can't
So since I believe its an absolute statistical certainty, than yeah...I'll keep trying to drum into your thick heads that somewhere right now is a child destined to die from mindless gun violence and that your resistance to change is part of the problem.
So once again....why do you not care about the dead children ?

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/10/2015 5:36:34 PM

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Lol,so now a calf is analogous to a fetus.
You aren't stupid.....you're a fucking moron wasting valuable air with each breath you take.
Again ,for the incredibly stupid, a calf or , as you referred to it ,a "sheep" (were you looking for lamb dummy)is in fact alive,by itself,outside of the womb.
It can't in any way be the equal of a fetus

Sorry the in the womb part got over typed... most would understand If I'm saying 2 + _ = 4 would get that I was talking about 2. But you being as dense as you are missed that..

Bullshit...you posted your usual stupid.
and got caught.
Did someone come over and explain it to you
Idiot

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/10/2015 5:43:18 PM

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So you dont care about dead children, unless it furthers your misguided views got it.

You can call it a fetus to make yourself feel better, doesnt stop it from being a kid

Some people see the not-yet-born as not-yet-children. There's no point in repeatedly telling them that they're 'wrong' as though they're 'mistaken about something factual', QK. The world isn't, and will never be, that simple.

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/10/2015 5:54:10 PM

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Sorry you got yourself all worked up there kittin but if you don't like being shamed for your thoughtless views....than start putting some thought into those views.
Can you tell me it's not a near certainty that it will happen again absent some change ?
Of course you can't
So since I believe its an absolute statistical certainty, than yeah...I'll keep trying to drum into your thick heads that somewhere right now is a child destined to die from mindless gun violence and that your resistance to change is part of the problem.
So once again....why do you not care about the dead children ?

I dont care about the dead children, because my gun kept me from being raped this year.
I dont care about the dead children, because they could be been prevented if the school had armed guards as other schools do.
I dont care about the dead children, because restricting the rights of legal gun owners wont change the fact that the dead children were caused by an illegal gun owner.
I dont care about the dead children, because its proven in states with high gun control have more dead children then states that dont.
I dont care about the dead children, because I care more about the live children who are happy and healthy and wonderful because Daddy is a responsible gun owner who used that gun to protect his family.
I dont care about the dead children, because dead children are an emotional manipulation tactic used by those who have a weak argument with no data, that cant back up their claims with facts.
I dont care about the dead children, because Id rather a few dead children, and being able to keep the freedom to defend myself with force when necessary.

Think on this...

“People who object to weapons aren't abolishing violence, they're begging for rule by brute force, when the biggest, strongest animals among men were always automatically 'right.' Guns ended that, and social democracy is a hollow farce without an armed populace to make it work.”
L. Neil Smith,

“Nothing can destroy a government more quickly than its failure to observe its own laws, or worse, its disregard of the charter of its own existence”
U.S. Supreme Court Justice Tom C. Clark

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.”

“Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!”

Patrick Henry

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/10/2015 6:04:56 PM

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So you dont care about dead children, unless it furthers your misguided views got it.

You can call it a fetus to make yourself feel better, doesnt stop it from being a kid

Some people see the not-yet-born as not-yet-children. There's no point in repeatedly telling them that they're 'wrong' as though they're 'mistaken about something factual', QK. The world isn't, and will never be, that simple.

It really is simple. Science says so... You see...

A tree is still a tree even if its cut down
A cows still a cow even if its on my plate for dinner, or on my shoes.

A death doesnt negate the fact that it is what it is...

You test its DNA, it comes back human. Which makes it a dead human, since its not fully grown or formed, its a child over an adult.

Calling it a fetus doesn't make it not human. Its a life "stage" of a human if you must, but still a human, and still applies in the context if every human life matters, then so must a fetus's.

Now, Im Pro Choice, but Im pro choice in Everything, from abortion rights, to gun ownership, to nap time.

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/10/2015 6:11:06 PM

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It really is simple. Science says so... You see...

No, it doesn't, QK. It's a question that goes beyond what science can deal with.

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/10/2015 6:14:48 PM

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a tired argument,

can you really not see the difference between a car and a gun?

I'm thinking the dead person see's no difference, nor the grieving relatives...

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/10/2015 6:17:14 PM

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Forget it Peon,really,you just can't fix stupid.

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/10/2015 6:32:13 PM

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Is that the opinion of another responsible gun owner ?
Just askin.....

No its an opinion of a woman who thinks at 51 you cant be beaten hard enough for common sense to sink in.

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/10/2015 6:32:42 PM

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Then what is a fetus if its not "human"

It's a 'potential human' or a 'pre human'.

Really, QK - this question could chew up any number of threads on its own - as indeed it already has in the past. It's not worth pursuing it here as though it could be resolved in just a few posts.

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/10/2015 6:34:47 PM

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From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_keep_and_bear_arms
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Main article: Right to keep and bear arms in the United States

The right to keep and bear arms is codified in the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, which reads:

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.[20]

Convicted felons, persons adjudicated as mentally defective, and some others are prohibited from possessing firearms and ammunition in the U.S. In most states, residents may carry a handgun or other weapon in public in a concealed or open manner, either on one's person or in proximity, however many states and cities restrict this. Some jurisdictions require a permit for concealed carry, but most jurisdictions do not require a permit for open carry, if allowed. Some states and localities require licenses to own or purchase guns and ammunition, as detailed in a summary of gun laws in the United States by state.

Precursory legal wording can also be found in the Pennsylvania Constitution of 1776. Following the American Revolution in 1776, one of the first legislative acts undertaken by each of the newly independent states was to adopt a reception statute that gave legal effect to the existing body of English common law to the extent that American legislation or the Constitution had not explicitly rejected English law.[21] Many English common law traditions were enumerated in the U.S. Constitution, such as the right to keep and bear arms, habeas corpus, jury trials, and various other civil liberties. Significant principles of English common law prior to 1776 still remain in effect in many jurisdictions in the United States.[22]
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One of the main points that have come out in court cases is that having a well regulated militia is necessary for the maintenance of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The mention of a well regulated militia is an enabling clause stating why the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. An armed populace as the last defense against tyranny if you will.

Some historical context comes into the fact that the term "regulated" in the English of the time referred to trained to a discipline.
Any person of sufficient age and health could be called up for duty in the militia. In the early 1800s, citizens could be called up for up to 90 days of militia duty by presidential or state governor decree. This was how the ranks were filled for the Creek War under President Harrison. The concept of militia call up was extended under the Lincoln administration to general conscription instead of having state governors do a militia call up.

Firearms laws by state:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:United_States_gun_laws_by_state
A decent overview of state firearms laws.

The Federal government regulates interstate transport of firearms and ammunition. This is why a firearms dealer has to have a Federal license to have arms and ammunition shipped to them. Certain types of firearms require a federal tax stamp to be traded. (machine guns are one of these types. See https://www.atf.gov/ for all the details)
Regulation on who can carry what and when are by state law and vary. In general; you have to be a resident of the state in which you are purchasing arms and comply with applicable state laws. Purchasing of a firearm for immediate resale to another person is a "straw-man" purchase and constitutes illegal purchase under federal law.
There was a huge bust back when I was stationed in Norfolk, Virginia with a group of drug importers coming down from NYC getting their customers to straw purchase handguns to take back to New York for resale. They were making huge profits on both ends. Yes, multiple gun purchases get you flagged by the ATF and investigated.

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/10/2015 7:16:38 PM

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Yeah Bama,cause it's only me that wants this madness to end....we are right back to you not giving a shit about all the dead children
We keep coming back to that

So your pro life correct? Because if your pro choice and your making this argument your pretty much a fucking asshole.

Can you really be this stupid.
Let me break it down for you....a fetus is not a child,it has the potential to be a child,but at the point you are referring to it is a fetus.Fact.
So I'm okay with my views on both issues.

looks like a child to me but you cannot tell that to a leftist, because so many of them really do worship at the altar of abortion.

and "fetus" refers the young of an "animal." it is not exclusive to humans.

you have to particularly like how its a "fetus" right up until the point even where its 90% out of the womb on its way to being a child, but we can still kill it.

yeah, I don't buy the whole "its for the children" argument either. especially as people point out that "the children" in question are victims of illegal gun violence.

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/11/2015 6:30:10 AM

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Okay, I'm not laughing anymore. Guess I will get back to my job of being a meanie mod. Play nice you all. Please.

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/11/2015 6:33:10 AM

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/11/2015 7:41:16 AM

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I've been looking around deeper and this is going to require some clean up. I will be locking the thread and letting it sit for a few so you can see this post and then it will be removed for cleaning. I have a heavy day today so it may take a while.

Inflammatory comments can get to volcano real quick, but the clean up requires a lot of reading, sorting and then the process of removing and messaging, so I wouldn't expect this back until tomorrow.

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/11/2015 9:55:55 AM

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You all really don't want me trying to post like a lawyer and my boss would really in absolute truth be ticked at me to the point of at least verbal harm and wouldn't want me doing so. So this is the way I am going with this and I am sure you ALL are smart enough to get it.

Staff will not be able to determine for sure what a member might mean with their words or how they phrase something, so be clear about what you're saying. That's a start. Next, don't wish, promise or threaten harm upon another member by way of self, another, weapon or joke. When you see such, even if you are unsure, don't respond to it and do report it.

I was able to get this down between meetings luckily and you have the thread back, but if I have to come back, I shut it down forever. If this is the way the gun threads are going to go, I will be talking to the admin team about the topic and it's place here on site.

I'm not afraid of some work, but to read the same work over and over again, with the same issues and sometimes the same members and you aren't the quality of some known authors, I do have a problem with editing. So call me a lazy reader if you will. That is better than a ticked off mod after too much time in the edit room and reading the same novel.

Just say no. Don't make me the bad guy.

Edit for an extra 'or'.

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/11/2015 10:09:42 AM

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You should change your name to Mod Meany

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RE: Good Points on Firearms - 2/11/2015 10:12:24 AM

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You should change your name to Mod Meany

You aren't the first to suggest it.

What's really scary is that it kind of fits me and I'm okay with that. Yikes!

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