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And that is where that stands, no more, no less.
We have the same problem with christians here, McVeigh, Hausner, Kohl, Whitman, Bales.....
Since no one else is calling you on this absolutely incredible piece of leftist propaganda/revisionist history/wishful thinking, I’ll give it a shot:
“In his letter, McVeigh said he was an agnostic but that he would "improvise, adapt and overcome", if it turned out there was an afterlife. "If I'm going to hell," he wrote, "I'm gonna have a lot of company."
“Note the above that McVeigh “said he was an agnostic” but not only that, but that he was defiant about hell itself and remain unrepentant. Then we also find the same statement that he was an agnostic admitted by Lou Michel during a cyber interview with CNN. Lou Michel spent hours interviewing McVeigh in writing a book titled, “American Terrorist: Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing”. Michel’s words are enlightening:
“Lou Michel: McVeigh is agnostic. He doesn't believe in God, but he won't rule out the possibility. I asked him, ‘What if there is a heaven and hell?’
“He said that once he crosses over the line from life to death, if there is something on the other side, he will -- and this is using his military jargon – ‘adapt, improvise, and overcome.’ Death to him is all part of the adventure.””
those are not the beliefs or words of a Christian.
http://www.tektonics.org/guest/mcveigh.htm
here are two articles that discuss a some history and background of dale hausner. There is no mention in either of them as to faith, worldviews, or christianity. Nor are there comments from a pastor or any spokesman from a church he might have gone to. What’s more, an internet search for his name coupled with “Christian” or “not a Christian” gives no hits. The two are not linked in any way.
http://www.ifpinc.com/Rage%20of%20the%20Random%20Actor%20-%20Live%20Addendum/Chapter%2003/Dale%20Hausner%20-%20A%20history%20of%20grief,%20a%20record%20of%20anger.htm
http://criminalminds.wikia.com/wiki/Dale_Hausner_and_Samuel_Dieteman
as to Robert Bales---the only linking of him to christianity seems to come from this fellow named Gordon duff who, on his website, claimed bales was a christian. Here’s what the anti-defamation league has to say about duff:
“Gordon Duff is an anti-Semitic conspiracist whose innocuous-sounding Web site, Veterans Today, features anti-Israel and Holocaust denial materials. The site also offers a platform for numerous columnists who promote anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy theories, as well as Duff’s own screeds.”
how would Gordon duff even know? did he sit next to bales in church maybe? interview him in prison? what? the point being, he doesn't, and couldn't know.
Other than that, bales is like hausner; there is nothing online that shows/discusses his Christian worldview, or lack thereof.
What’s more, there are numerous accounts of bales, in response to the killings, saying he has no memory of it, and doesn’t know why he did it.
I read that Charles Whitman was an altar boy as a youth, and was married in a catholic ceremony, which implies a regular presence in the catholic church. That alone however does not make him a Christian, and then later in life he is reported as having said “Fr. Leduc met with Whitman for the last time two months prior to the shootings and said that Whitman had confided that he had lost his faith, and no longer considered himself a practicing Catholic.”
So not only do we not know if he was a christian, he renounced his Catholicism as well.
http://murderpedia.org/male.W/w/whitman-charles.htm
I confess I don’t know who/what you mean by “kohl” and I cant find anything by looking. But given the track record above, im pretty confident I don’t have to.
Last thing---what leftists who complain about such things just don’t seem to get: there is a huge difference (all the difference in the world actually) between a person who does something in obedience to/inspired by his faith, and one who acts in complete opposition to it. “Christian terrorist” or “Christian murderer” is an oxymoron.
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