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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 6:02:08 AM   
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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 6:02:38 AM   
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Must be nice to have such faith in government, what was wrong was in two cases the government lied, and just got the registration so they would be able to collect them.
In the other the mayor, who didn't care enough about his citizens to use school buses to evacuate them used looting as an excuse to grab guns of the people most likely to be victims.

But I repeat... if the people were legally allowed to have those guns - they would still have them wouldn't they?

Much as I hate our government and every politician lies (it's part of the territory), it would seem that at least ours don't deliberately obfuscate and act illegally to confiscate guns legally owned.

All I can say is, there must be more to those stories than was reported.
As you keep reminding everyone, the 2nd allows Americans the right to own and bear arms.
If they were legally owned, they'd still have them or there would have been a class action lawsuit filed PDQ.


No, there was no legal justification for taking them.
And my dear know nothing friend, they are in court, problem is there are too many cases against Nagel , the moron mayor of NO and the real cause of things getting screwed up in Katrina.
All you are saying is they took them because they had a good reason and they had a good reason because they took them.

So 'splain it to me WHY they took them... apparently illegally?
Surely they had the right to defend their property, even if that meant SYG and shooting those trying to take their guns??

Nope. something doesn't add up here.
Either they were corrupt officials - in which case they should be sacked and jailed.
Or, there were more reasons to removing the guns that hasn't been reported.


Right, Syg against four or five cops when you let them in because you thought they were there to help you.


What BamaD has trouble with, are the facts. He has bad information that he got from conservative media sources that were pushing an agenda onto a public to stupid to question nor educated to research the facts. So what your hearing freedomwarf1, is someone brainwashed to believe a fantasy as truth and unable to question the information.

When police have ceased firearms in businesses or homes during a disaster, they routinely make a note of the location. The firearms and ammo are kept in lock-up until the owners can arrive, prove ownership and take their arms back. That BamaD has trouble with responsibility with firearms. Sometimes, people have had to flee a disaster so quickly they couldnt safely move the arms. When the crews that clean up the mess uncover the arms, they are handed over to the police. So when a citizen states that they are missing one or more arms after some disaster to the police; and the police find one or more of these arms, they can hopefully return them to the rightful owners. Now if the guns were registered, this process would be much quicker!

What BamaD is hearing from the conservative media, are the examples in which the police took the guns, found they were in the former possession of someone still wanted on one or more criminal charges. The person doesn't retrieve their arms, because they know they'll be arrested on the spot by the police; so make up this sort of story. Yes, the conservative media conveniently leaves the facts out to 'report the news'. There are a number of 'honest and law abiding' citizens whom own guns, have been charged with one or more crimes but not apprehended yet. Since they are only criminals once a guilty verdict has been reached in a court case.

So it makes sense that the police would take possession of firearms during a disaster in which the owners are not present or can keep secured. If BamaD doesnt trust the government (to a decent amount), maybe he should renounce his citizenship and get the fuck out of my nation!

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 6:05:12 AM   
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You know, I think I'm tired of hanging out with a group of bigots.

Yes, and I don't understand why any of you would support a religion that has instructions on how to beat women. Unless you secretly approve of it.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 6:07:32 AM   
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So a radical muslim walks into a bar and...

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 6:15:24 AM   
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You doubt there will be more Newtowns,more Auroras ,more Virginia Techs ,Tuscon,Binghampton ,Fort Hood,Oikos University and Columbine's.
What are you basing that opinion on ?

Where did you read that opinion?


You did state, and I quote from the record: "Is it too much to ask that you confine your remarks to Earth?"

Last I checked, there is a Newtown, CT. And a Auroras, CO. There is a Virginia Tech; its located in the Commonwealth of Virginia. Should I go on with the others? And that each of them had dreadfully awful massacres. The firearms were freely obtained and used with predictable efficiency.

I believe his question still stands, and that your 'dodge' didnt work.

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How do you feel pubic opinion will tilt as more bodies drop ?
Where is the tipping point ?
There's always a tipping point

I'm surprised we haven't reached one right here. How do you feel about defending your made up boast with the claim that it will become true...


Its called psychology and accounting. Psychology is the study of the human mind. Accounting is simply basing past results to make future predictions. We know that when people get angry they stop thinking straight. That with firearms in close reach, the person does something they would....NEVER...due when they were calm and ...IN CONTROL...of themselves. There are.....PLENTY....of examples of this happening. That you cant acknowledge it is just plain intellectual dishonesty!


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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 6:25:49 AM   
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You doubt there will be more Newtowns,more Auroras ,more Virginia Techs ,Tuscon,Binghampton ,Fort Hood,Oikos University and Columbine's.
What are you basing that opinion on ?

Where did you read that opinion?


You did state, and I quote from the record: "Is it too much to ask that you confine your remarks to Earth?"

Last I checked, there is a Newtown, CT. And a Auroras, CO. There is a Virginia Tech; its located in the Commonwealth of Virginia. Should I go on with the others? And that each of them had dreadfully awful massacres. The firearms were freely obtained and used with predictable efficiency.

I believe his question still stands, and that your 'dodge' didnt work.

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How do you feel pubic opinion will tilt as more bodies drop ?
Where is the tipping point ?
There's always a tipping point

I'm surprised we haven't reached one right here. How do you feel about defending your made up boast with the claim that it will become true...


Its called psychology and accounting. Psychology is the study of the human mind. Accounting is simply basing past results to make future predictions. We know that when people get angry they stop thinking straight. That with firearms in close reach, the person does something they would....NEVER...due when they were calm and ...IN CONTROL...of themselves. There are.....PLENTY....of examples of this happening. That you cant acknowledge it is just plain intellectual dishonesty!


That you can't acknowledge that there are more people killed every day by people who in that one minute of stupidity have one more drink than they should, then get into a car and drive is just plain intellectual dishonesty...that there are more people that do this deliberately (drink and drive) every day until their uncontrollable moment is more intellectual dishonesty.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 6:26:41 AM   
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You doubt there will be more Newtowns,more Auroras ,more Virginia Techs ,Tuscon,Binghampton ,Fort Hood,Oikos University and Columbine's.
What are you basing that opinion on ?

Where did you read that opinion?


You did state, and I quote from the record: "Is it too much to ask that you confine your remarks to Earth?"

Last I checked, there is a Newtown, CT. And a Auroras, CO. There is a Virginia Tech; its located in the Commonwealth of Virginia. Should I go on with the others? And that each of them had dreadfully awful massacres. The firearms were freely obtained and used with predictable efficiency.

I believe his question still stands, and that your 'dodge' didnt work.


Actually i think he was asking where anyone suggested those events could never happen again.


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How do you feel pubic opinion will tilt as more bodies drop ?
Where is the tipping point ?
There's always a tipping point

I'm surprised we haven't reached one right here. How do you feel about defending your made up boast with the claim that it will become true...


Its called psychology and accounting. Psychology is the study of the human mind. Accounting is simply basing past results to make future predictions. We know that when people get angry they stop thinking straight. That with firearms in close reach, the person does something they would....NEVER...due when they were calm and ...IN CONTROL...of themselves. There are.....PLENTY....of examples of this happening. That you cant acknowledge it is just plain intellectual dishonesty!





Yes, when people get angry they do stop thinking and pretty much anything can happen. But you seem to think if they don't have a gun handy, they just cool off and life goes on. From what I have read in the news lately they are just as likely to pick up a hammer or a bat and still kill whoever they were pissed at. We had one last year who got angry, picked up a crockpot and beat her friend to death with it. So what's your point?

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 6:42:41 AM   
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I just saw this topic and have not read anybody else responses so this is responding to OP's first post.

Anyway, it was a big deal around here, our news widely publicised it.

And although I am anti-islam, and want to see Islam to become a world wide banned religion, but I don't approve of killing of any islamic people who did not commit any crimes.

I think the war is against the religion and not against it's people. It's their religion mind fucking innocent people.



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You know, I think I'm tired of hanging out with a group of bigots.

Yes, and I don't understand why any of you would support a religion that has instructions on how to beat women. Unless you secretly approve of it.


And therein lies the fundamental problem.

Much like BDSM, in that most of it happens in secret behind closed doors, the "outside world" sees and perceives a very different face to what actually happens behind those doors.
On the face of it, the vast majority of Islamics appear to be calm, moderate, and even pleasant - that's what westerners see and are told by the media.
It's in their holy Qoran that it is good to lie to those that don't belong.
It's a complete facade for the benefit of us westerners.
Behind those closed doors and within their own community, most of them support the extremists and treat women like chattel.

Why do they do this?? Because they want Islam to rule the world. It's as simple as that.
Much like the crusades of centuries ago, Islam is still on their crusade whether you like it or not.
Not so overt as the Templar Knights or the extremists; they creep into society until they become the majority.
That is also the reason they stick with their own and rarely integrate into their new society/country.
Once they take hold, like IS, they will stamp their ways onto the unsuspecting victims and we will be forced to convert or die by their hand.
A good example of this was in Mali - until the French stepped in and defeated them.
This is how they work.... biding their time and slowly massing in numbers.

The fundamentals of Islam and the roots of western society are a complete dichotomy.


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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 6:45:14 AM   
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You know, I think I'm tired of hanging out with a group of bigots.

Yes, and I don't understand why any of you would support a religion that has instructions on how to beat women. Unless you secretly approve of it.



ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....................you got those instructions anywhere handy, I could get a gander at em?

Jus sayin

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 6:49:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		DURHAM, N.C. (AP) — Search warrants show the suspect in the shooting deaths of three Muslim college students in North Carolina had a stash of a dozen firearms in the home he shared with his wife, along with a large cache of ammunition.

Records filed in Durham County Superior Court on Friday list items recovered by police from the Chapel Hill condominium of Craig Stephen Hicks, the 46-year-old charged with three counts of murder.

The warrants show four handguns recovered from the Hicks home, in addition to a pistol the suspect had with him when arrested. The warrants also list two shotguns and six rifles, including a military-style AR-15 carbine. Police also recovered numerous loaded magazines and cases of ammunition.

Eight spent shell-casings were found in the neighboring apartment of the young couple killed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/13/chapel-hill-killings-suspect-guns_n_6681152.html

Now hardly a HUGE arsenal, but...meh, I wonder how many of them were registered.
Its a shame he didnt have to go thru a mental health test.
its a shame we cant call him a terrorist....
oh wait....

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 6:50:30 AM   
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You know, I think I'm tired of hanging out with a group of bigots.

Yes, and I don't understand why any of you would support a religion that has instructions on how to beat women. Unless you secretly approve of it.



ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....................you got those instructions anywhere handy, I could get a gander at em?

Jus sayin



if you are meaning that from a kinky perspective, I get it...

if however you (or anyone else really) doubting they exist:

https://twg2a.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/islams-war-on-women-wife-beating-instructions-from-the-quran/


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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 6:59:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting article on the shooter from the NY times
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/13/us/chapel-hill-neighbors-say-they-felt-threatened-by-man-held-in-killings.html

from the link....
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. — Neighbors knew Craig Stephen Hicks. He was the angry man on Summerwalk Circle, they said — irritated about noise, irascible about parking, hostile to religion. And armed.

Mr. Hicks was such a disruptive presence in the Finley Forest condominium complex that last year, residents held a meeting to talk about him.

None of them, of course, could have foreseen that he might be charged with murdering three people in a neighboring apartment on Tuesday: two sisters, Yusor Mohammad Abu-Salha and Razan Mohammad Abu-Salha, and Yusor’s husband, Deah Shaddy Barakat — all of them Muslim. But some neighbors felt threatened by his behavior.

“I have seen and heard him be very unfriendly to a lot of people in this community,” said Samantha Maness, a resident of the complex. She said that Mr. Hicks had displayed “equal opportunity anger” and that “he kind of made everyone feel uncomfortable and unsafe.”


Ms. Maness said Mr. Hicks would often seek to have cars towed from the complex’s lot, either because they did not have stickers or because he did not recognize them. And she said he would complain about noise — he was upset when she and her friends were playing a card game and he thought they were too noisy, and he was again upset when she pulled into the lot with music playing loudly in her car.

“He was definitely aggressive, and he spoke harshly when he was upset,” she said.

The police say they never received any formal complaints, but Mr. Hicks, a 46-year-old former auto parts dealer who has been studying to become a paralegal, appears to have functioned as a self-appointed watchman in the complex. The Chapel Hill police released a report about a 2013 incident in which he apparently called them to complain that someone had allegedly grabbed a tow-truck driver’s arm while he was trying to tow a car. And just last month, he wrote on Facebook that he had called the police because he saw a couple having sex in a car in the parking lot.

Public records reveal only the barest of details about Mr. Hicks, who turned himself in after the shooting. He appears to have moved around the country several times. He voted in two recent North Carolina elections, once as a Democrat and once on a nonpartisan ballot. He has been divorced twice. His current wife, Karen Hicks, is now planning to seek a divorce, according to her lawyer, Rob Maitland.

theres more ..

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 7:14:27 AM   
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Nevertheless, beating your property was normal in the old testament as well.

Here are the verses on women (agreed, also iffy in translation, there are many more translations of the quran, koran etc than there are bibles printed thruout the ages):

http://www.noblequran.com/translation/

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 7:40:07 AM   
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That site is suspect, and not a good translation.

Nevertheless, beating your property was normal in the old testament as well.

Here are the verses on women (agreed, also iffy in translation, there are many more translations of the quran, koran etc than there are bibles printed thruout the ages):

http://www.noblequran.com/translation/

Thing is though Ron, we westerners grew up and evolved from those awful days of old.
Doesn't matter what brand of christianity you follow, most of us live in the 21st century society.
Islamics only tolerate us and still follow 4th century doctrines.

So things like beating women, treating them like chattel, killing gays and lesbians, owning human slaves etc is few and far between in our society. We also have free speech, acceptance of same-sex associations, education for all and many other things that Islam fundamentally forbids.


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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 7:44:56 AM   
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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 7:49:28 AM   
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Must be nice to have such faith in government, what was wrong was in two cases the government lied, and just got the registration so they would be able to collect them.
In the other the mayor, who didn't care enough about his citizens to use school buses to evacuate them used looting as an excuse to grab guns of the people most likely to be victims.

But I repeat... if the people were legally allowed to have those guns - they would still have them wouldn't they?

Much as I hate our government and every politician lies (it's part of the territory), it would seem that at least ours don't deliberately obfuscate and act illegally to confiscate guns legally owned.

All I can say is, there must be more to those stories than was reported.
As you keep reminding everyone, the 2nd allows Americans the right to own and bear arms.
If they were legally owned, they'd still have them or there would have been a class action lawsuit filed PDQ.


No, there was no legal justification for taking them.
And my dear know nothing friend, they are in court, problem is there are too many cases against Nagel , the moron mayor of NO and the real cause of things getting screwed up in Katrina.
All you are saying is they took them because they had a good reason and they had a good reason because they took them.

So 'splain it to me WHY they took them... apparently illegally?
Surely they had the right to defend their property, even if that meant SYG and shooting those trying to take their guns??

Nope. something doesn't add up here.
Either they were corrupt officials - in which case they should be sacked and jailed.
Or, there were more reasons to removing the guns that hasn't been reported.


Right, Syg against four or five cops when you let them in because you thought they were there to help you.


What BamaD has trouble with, are the facts. He has bad information that he got from conservative media sources that were pushing an agenda onto a public to stupid to question nor educated to research the facts. So what your hearing freedomwarf1, is someone brainwashed to believe a fantasy as truth and unable to question the information.

When police have ceased firearms in businesses or homes during a disaster, they routinely make a note of the location. The firearms and ammo are kept in lock-up until the owners can arrive, prove ownership and take their arms back. That BamaD has trouble with responsibility with firearms. Sometimes, people have had to flee a disaster so quickly they couldnt safely move the arms. When the crews that clean up the mess uncover the arms, they are handed over to the police. So when a citizen states that they are missing one or more arms after some disaster to the police; and the police find one or more of these arms, they can hopefully return them to the rightful owners. Now if the guns were registered, this process would be much quicker!

What BamaD is hearing from the conservative media, are the examples in which the police took the guns, found they were in the former possession of someone still wanted on one or more criminal charges. The person doesn't retrieve their arms, because they know they'll be arrested on the spot by the police; so make up this sort of story. Yes, the conservative media conveniently leaves the facts out to 'report the news'. There are a number of 'honest and law abiding' citizens whom own guns, have been charged with one or more crimes but not apprehended yet. Since they are only criminals once a guilty verdict has been reached in a court case.

So it makes sense that the police would take possession of firearms during a disaster in which the owners are not present or can keep secured. If BamaD doesnt trust the government (to a decent amount), maybe he should renounce his citizenship and get the fuck out of my nation!

None of your wonderful procedures were followed in this case and they didn't just take guns from unoccupied homes. Can't keep secured, is subjective. And people who tried to get there firearms back were not allowed to. Why should I leave? It is as much my country as yours and a healthy distrust of government is needed to keep them honest.

You also failed to come up with an excuse for the deceptions of CA and NY in promising that registration of guns that look like assault weapons would not lead to confiscation when that is exactly what happened. This is a better example of the danger of registration.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 7:52:56 AM   
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And the Jews stop at that time as well, old testament, all that, old chap.

I know a few Jews and even a few in the US (Jax, FL) and although they follow much of the hebrew scriptures and very devout, they still integrate into the 21st century and live like most 'normal' people do.

Islamics don't.
They pick the bits from our modern society that suits them (the free handouts and free education etc), but other than that, they live in the 4th century and only pay lip-service to our western laws.
They still believe in FGM, women as chattel, slaves, and world domination.

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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 7:53:43 AM   
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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 7:55:27 AM   
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....and a healthy distrust of government is needed to keep them honest.

It would appear that you are failing miserably!


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RE: Three Muslims shot - 2/14/2015 7:56:05 AM   
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And the Jews stop at that time as well, old testament, all that, old chap.

I know a few Jews and even a few in the US (Jax, FL) and although they follow much of the hebrew scriptures and very devout, they still integrate into the 21st century and live like most 'normal' people do.

Islamics don't.
They pick the bits from our modern society that suits them (the free handouts and free education etc), but other than that, they live in the 4th century and only pay lip-service to our western laws.
They still believe in FGM, women as chattel, slaves, and world domination.


Boy o boy, I dunno, Bennie Netanyahu wears a suit and tie, but thats as far as he goes. There are some 12.5 million muslims in the US, and they are certainly not world dominating right here. A miasma of hyperbole, n'est ce pas?


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