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PeonForHer -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/15/2015 5:10:58 PM)
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Freedomdwarf,
It's difficult for me to work out how to begin to unpack all that and it's all been said before, anyway.
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I agree, they are not a monolithic group because the Sunni hate the Shia and both hate the Sufi's.
The commone link is their faith - Islam and the Qoran.
You zero in that 'common link' and talk about it as self-evidently the *causal* common link.
Time and again, though, other common links have been highlighted: the facts that we're talking about young men, those that are attracted by violence (not unusual in young men), those who want to be part of a 'gang' and fight for a 'cause' (ditto), despite the fact that they don't have much understanding of that cause (ditto again - the average hopeful IS member from a western country isn't at all highly knowledgable about Islam). So why focus on Islam as the common *and causal* link - the link that causes this violence?
"The evidence I have are the people I actually speak to on a daily basis.
All the muslims, without exception, firmly believe that Islam comes first, everything else is second.
They also believe in (illegal) Sharia law and Sharia courts to deal with Ismalic problems.
They still believe in, and support, honour killings regardless of what our laws state.
The males firmly believe that their womenfolk should attend them like slaves and are no better than a slave.
Two of my local shops run by muslims (one Pakistani, one Turkish), the male child of less than 10 years old order their mothers about and I have seen that at the local Booker's wholesalers where I shop."
Too anecdotal to be worth much, I'm afraid. Me, my experience of the Muslims I've come across is not that 'Islam comes first'. It's that the peaceful, comfortable, most of all violence-free lives that they currently enjoy, come first. And I've never seen Muslim boys bossing around their mothers.
That sort of evidence is too weak, FD. You can't expect it to hold sway even here. Surely you can come up with facts and figures?
And re that last ....
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It has also been found afterwards that a lot of these clerics are fully aware of the individuals and their leanings before the act, yet they did nothing to stop that individual doing it.
... Could you provide evidence for this?
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In many ways, it is very unlike the IRA or UVF who did things in secret.
Not true - as PoliteSub has pointed out. To be sure, lots of the actions of the IRA and UVF would have been *planned* in secret, for the excellent reason that the more people who knew, the more chance there would have been that they'd get grassed up. Only a seriously stupid would-be terrorist would reveal his/her plans of a terrorist act on anything other than a 'need-to-know' basis.
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