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Politesub53 -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 5:27:44 PM)

Mike, you might think that, I couldnt possibly comment...... [8D]



slvemike4u -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 5:29:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

LOL,ROFLMAO.......Joe......Joe McCarthy is that you ?
So because I feel that we need sensible Federal Law where guns are concerned that will DESTROY the Republic.
You're a bigger asshole than I thought.
America's schools,business's library's,hospitals,government offices,post offices etc.etc will be safer places,that is all that will happen.
The Constitution will not be rendered useless,the bar that currently makes changing the second,will remain just as high for anyone seeking to change any of the other amendments.
Now you fucking explain how that would not be so,you rationalize your irrational fear you dumb backwoods asshole.

You do know that when the Wall fell and we got to look at KGB files it turned out that the Roosevelt administration actually was riddled with Soviets

Doubling down on stupid.No surprises there.
That's what you took from that post ?
The joke line....?
You keep amazing me with the level of game you bring to this forum.
Do yourself a favor,contact a lawyer,I believe you have an actionable case against whatever school district was responsible for your education .



Moderator3 -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 5:33:21 PM)

Please leave the nicknames in the quotes. I am not hunting who said what.



titsR4abuse -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 6:00:24 PM)

We better ban spoons then also. Fat kills more Americans each year by far than guns. Overeating. China could imprison people if they had more than 2 kids.
Maybe we should implement calorie counts and when someone goes over, take away their spoons.
All the talk about guns, etc. I am not in the NRA or do I have a gun nor do I want a gun. But, for hunters, this sucks. It isn't the guns...it's the people that use them.
But fat and clogged arteries kill more people each year than guns. OH...and BTW, an average of 16,000 American's die each year of alcohol related issues so let's also
ban alcohol.



lovmuffin -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 6:05:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies


You might think this magic constitution thing some how frees you from the tyranny of government, but here's a big heads up for you, it fucking doesn't.


You have a good point. A lot of gun owners think we're so damn free because of their right to own guns yet we're not as free as they think we are. I'm not suggesting we give up any more of our freedoms but your post implies there are a whole lot more thread topics, most of which have been brought up before.



slvemike4u -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 6:05:49 PM)

The goal isn't to ban anything,and it's not to ban things that Americans die from.God forbid we ever actually cure dying.
The world would get pretty crowded pretty fast.
The goal is to reduce the numbers of Americans that die from gun violence,and to do so in significant numbers.
Do you object to that goal ?
I've been told children die in pools.....but I think we can address that without actually banning pools.
Now what issue could you possibly have to decreasing the number of gun fatalities in the good old USA ?



BamaD -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 6:11:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

The goal isn't to ban anything,and it's not to ban things that Americans die from.God forbid we ever actually cure dying.
The world would get pretty crowded pretty fast.
The goal is to reduce the numbers of Americans that die from gun violence,and to do so in significant numbers.
Do you object to that goal ?
I've been told children die in pools.....but I think we can address that without actually banning pools.
Now what issue could you possibly have to decreasing the number of gun fatalities in the good old USA ?

None but I don't believe in trickle down crime fighting, which is what serious restrictions on legitimate gun owners is.
And while you say you don't want to ban guns you have stated that we need to "reread" the 2nd, or repeal it. You may not realize it but that is the path to total bans.



slvemike4u -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 6:20:09 PM)

Never said "repeal" and I dare you to find a post where I said so.
I'll wait....but I'm going to be waiting a good long time Bama,cause it never happened.
Re-read it,putting more emphasis on the well regulated militia part.
Amend it,to make that clearer and to allow restrictions with teeth to be the law of the land.
Stop the bulk sales except to registered licensed dealers,waiting periods for real extensive,national data base background checks.
Do something to stop the carnage rather than saying it's too hard.Close the gun show loophole.
Stop procrastinating lest the outcry become so loud that people do start talking about banning.



lovmuffin -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 6:22:05 PM)

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deathtothepixies

That's why we can't all drive at any speed we want, because there are far too many idiots out there, ditto drug laws and many others.

Yet pretty much any idiot can get a gun, or dozens of guns if he/she wants and do pretty much anything they want with them.

Make sense ? Nope.


This is a lousy point. Cars kill far more people than guns, regardless of the laws for safety or against excessive speeds and alcohol. If the drug laws are any indication, with similar guns laws, considering the demand for legal guns far surpasses the demand for illegal drugs, I expect guns would be readily available and in some instances cheaper.

Make sense ? Yep[8D]



BamaD -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 6:25:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Never said "repeal" and I dare you to find a post where I said so.
I'll wait....but I'm going to be waiting a good long time Bama,cause it never happened.
Re-read it,putting more emphasis on the well regulated militia part.
Amend it,to make that clearer and to allow restrictions with teeth to be the law of the land.
Stop the bulk sales except to registered licensed dealers,waiting periods for real extensive,national data base background checks.
Do something to stop the carnage rather than saying it's too hard.Close the gun show loophole.
Stop procrastinating lest the outcry become so loud that people do start talking about banning.

If you "amend" it you effectively repeal it in it's current state.
Gunshow loophole, you do know that dealers at gunshows have to do background checks just like in their store.
What it actually means is private sales, transfers.
I notice you don't care what I would do, and you tell me I said it was too hard doing it your way.
I didn't say that I said it was the wrong approach.



slvemike4u -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 6:25:22 PM)

To you....I'm sure it does [:(]



lovmuffin -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 6:36:32 PM)

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Slvemike4u


Stop the bulk sales except to registered licensed dealers,waiting periods for real extensive,national data base background checks.
Do something to stop the carnage rather than saying it's too hard.Close the gun show loophole.


Hmmmmmmm......that's all ? You know closing the gun show loop hole in reality is the private sales loop hole, right ? Is there something more to "Do something to stop the carnage rather than saying it's too hard" ? What about enforcing laws we don't now enforce and locking up violent felons for longer and serving their full sentences ?

I could go along with some of that. Gun registration would concern me though.



BamaD -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 6:36:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Never said "repeal" and I dare you to find a post where I said so.
I'll wait....but I'm going to be waiting a good long time Bama,cause it never happened.
Re-read it,putting more emphasis on the well regulated militia part.
Amend it,to make that clearer and to allow restrictions with teeth to be the law of the land.
Stop the bulk sales except to registered licensed dealers,waiting periods for real extensive,national data base background checks.
Do something to stop the carnage rather than saying it's too hard.Close the gun show loophole.
Stop procrastinating lest the outcry become so loud that people do start talking about banning.

Your post #36 from good points about firearms

If you care than you are willing to do something about it.....something more substantial than paying lip service to caring.
And that "something" in order to have any impact starts with admitting that there needs to be a new "reading" of the Second.
An understanding that "individual" can not be separated from "well regulated militia" in the understanding of the Second.
Failing that,the only other thing to do is scrap the whole thing and rewrite it with a clear understanding of modern society and the weapons that have been developed since the days of the musket.


See, it wasn't that long a wait.



slvemike4u -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 6:44:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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Slvemike4u


Stop the bulk sales except to registered licensed dealers,waiting periods for real extensive,national data base background checks.
Do something to stop the carnage rather than saying it's too hard.Close the gun show loophole.


Hmmmmmmm......that's all ? You know closing the gun show loop hole in reality is the private sales loop hole, right ? Is there something more to "Do something to stop the carnage rather than saying it's too hard" ? What about enforcing laws we don't now enforce and locking up violent felons for longer and serving their full sentences ?

I could go along with some of that. Gun registration would concern me though.

The laws we now don't enforce are toothless and designed to have as little effect as possible on the market.
The gun industry and their lackeys at the NRA have seen to that.
Do you really think I'm stupid enough to accept that red herring ?



slvemike4u -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 6:48:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Never said "repeal" and I dare you to find a post where I said so.
I'll wait....but I'm going to be waiting a good long time Bama,cause it never happened.
Re-read it,putting more emphasis on the well regulated militia part.
Amend it,to make that clearer and to allow restrictions with teeth to be the law of the land.
Stop the bulk sales except to registered licensed dealers,waiting periods for real extensive,national data base background checks.
Do something to stop the carnage rather than saying it's too hard.Close the gun show loophole.
Stop procrastinating lest the outcry become so loud that people do start talking about banning.

Your post #36 from good points about firearms

If you care than you are willing to do something about it.....something more substantial than paying lip service to caring.
And that "something" in order to have any impact starts with admitting that there needs to be a new "reading" of the Second.
An understanding that "individual" can not be separated from "well regulated militia" in the understanding of the Second.
Failing that,the only other thing to do is scrap the whole thing and rewrite it with a clear understanding of modern society and the weapons that have been developed since the days of the musket.


See, it wasn't that long a wait.

So the ..."failing that," that preceded "the only other thing to do is scrap the whole thing" affected the statement not at all ?
Come on Bama ,no one could be that dense and still have sense enough to come in out of the rain
Sorry,I'm still waiting [8|]



Musicmystery -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 6:58:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: titsR4abuse

OH...and BTW, an average of 16,000 American's die each year of alcohol related issues so let's also
ban alcohol.

That's all? In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicides, and 11,078 firearm-related homicides in the U.S.




BamaD -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 7:03:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Never said "repeal" and I dare you to find a post where I said so.
I'll wait....but I'm going to be waiting a good long time Bama,cause it never happened.
Re-read it,putting more emphasis on the well regulated militia part.
Amend it,to make that clearer and to allow restrictions with teeth to be the law of the land.
Stop the bulk sales except to registered licensed dealers,waiting periods for real extensive,national data base background checks.
Do something to stop the carnage rather than saying it's too hard.Close the gun show loophole.
Stop procrastinating lest the outcry become so loud that people do start talking about banning.

Your post #36 from good points about firearms

If you care than you are willing to do something about it.....something more substantial than paying lip service to caring.
And that "something" in order to have any impact starts with admitting that there needs to be a new "reading" of the Second.
An understanding that "individual" can not be separated from "well regulated militia" in the understanding of the Second.
Failing that,the only other thing to do is scrap the whole thing and rewrite it with a clear understanding of modern society and the weapons that have been developed since the days of the musket.


See, it wasn't that long a wait.

So the ..."failing that," that preceded "the only other thing to do is scrap the whole thing" affected the statement not at all ?
Come on Bama ,no one could be that dense and still have sense enough to come in out of the rain
Sorry,I'm still waiting [8|]

Re-interpret it or scrap it, anyone can see that you want to either redefine it to dispose of that pesky individual right or get rid of the whole thing and make something new.



slvemike4u -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 7:10:24 PM)

Again than,show me where I said that...otherwise all you are doing is projecting.
And I have no more time tonight for your flights of fancy or your idiocy



I'll check back tomorrow and see if you are man enough to own up to your false claims.
Don't sweat it, expect to be disappointed [:)]



Lucylastic -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 7:36:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


Another interesting fact: According to the FBI, nearly twice as many people are killed by hands and fists each year than are killed by murderers who use rifles. (I'm just one short-tempered idiot away from being killed!)
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2013/01/03/fbi-more-people-killed-with-hammers-and-clubs-each-year-than-with-rifles/



Certainly not calling your figures wrong but cherry picking rifles, or shotguns....handguns are the killers tool of choice.
from the actual FBI

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2008-2012.xls
Those figures might change when the latest figures come out.


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slvemike4u -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 7:43:11 PM)

Mail call Lucy [:)]



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