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kdsub -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 2:09:47 PM)
quote: And we are supposed to live like this because some long dead white men YES... the Constitution has worked better than any other and there is no reason not to continue living by it... If enough people want to change it they can... that is provided... until then love it our leave it...[:D] Quit bitching... you are in the minority... Change peoples minds if you want changes in the Constitution... that is the way to go. Butch

PeonForHer -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 2:29:25 PM)
quote: YES... the Constitution has worked better than any other .... What? [:D]

BitYakin -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 2:36:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u It's the frequency and lethality of firearms that make the difference. Look how far back you had to go to get to OJ Every female here now knows you're an old man. Kids born after OJ are drinking alcohol for gods sake [8\|] By Associated Press February 11 WASHINGTON — A man has been found stabbed to death in an upscale District of Columbia hotel. The Donovan Hotel is a Kimpton boutique hotel in downtown Washington, about a half-mile north of the White House. Copyright 2015 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. Updated at 7:42 PM EST on Thursday, Jan 15, 2015 A Woodbridge man has been charged with murder after police say he stabbed his stepfather to death Wednesday night. January 21, 2015 \| 9:10am A man was stabbed to death inside a deli in Midtown on Tuesday, police said. The victim, a 36-year-old man who lived in Manhattan, was inside the New Star Café on West 40th Street when he got into an argument with his attacker around 9:30 p.m. Tuesday, police said. Published January 19, 2015 FoxNews.com Two Massachusetts police officers fatally shot a man armed with a knife Monday before finding the man's mother stabbed to death on the front steps of their home. those are just in the past 30 days in the USA alone the last one is best, the UNARMED mother DEAD, the ARMED police NOT DEAD http://www.bestgore.com/tag/stabbed-to-death/ here's a good one, first 7 pages 9 stories to a page of killing without the use of a gun, (mostly stabbing) spanning the past year from all over the world it's interesting to note the site is dedicated to GOREY PICTURES so they only post the ones they could get good pics of. and the list goes ON AND ON AND ON AND ON I love how you like to pretend he had to go back sooooooooooooooooooooo far to find his example, when the truth is he just used an example everyone would be familiar with

BitYakin -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 2:38:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD What I do advocate is that in instances such as this, no guns means there would be no deaths. That is obvious to anyone outside of the US. FD No you assume there would be no deaths, OJ proved you are wrong. So... OJ strangled people with his bare hands?? Apparently it was with a knife - "Almost 20 years after the brutal murder of Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman in which the murder weapon was never found, claims have emerged that OJ - who is currently serving time for kidnapping and armed robbery - actually stashed the knife." So yeah, ONE incident in 20 years where a gun wasn't used. And how many people died unnecessarily during that time with a gun? About 640,000+ as a conservative estimate. So if you honestly think that one horrific death in 640,000 that didn't involve a gun justifies keeping them, then you are worse than a nutter. That logic is just preposterous in the extreme. As they often say.... you can't fix stupid! [8\|] no you can't fix stupid, see above post STUPID!

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 2:49:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD What I do advocate is that in instances such as this, no guns means there would be no deaths. That is obvious to anyone outside of the US. FD No you assume there would be no deaths, OJ proved you are wrong. So... OJ strangled people with his bare hands?? Apparently it was with a knife - "Almost 20 years after the brutal murder of Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman in which the murder weapon was never found, claims have emerged that OJ - who is currently serving time for kidnapping and armed robbery - actually stashed the knife." So yeah, ONE incident in 20 years where a gun wasn't used. And how many people died unnecessarily during that time with a gun? About 640,000+ as a conservative estimate. So if you honestly think that one horrific death in 640,000 that didn't involve a gun justifies keeping them, then you are worse than a nutter. That logic is just preposterous in the extreme. As they often say.... you can't fix stupid! [8\|] no you can't fix stupid, see above post STUPID! Really?? Go check the stats of ANY first-world country where they have enacted strict gun laws nationwide. You are more likely to die of gunshot than in any other of those countries by a factor of 20x or more. So who are the stupid ones I wonder?? [8\|]

CreativeDominant -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 2:51:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD What I do advocate is that in instances such as this, no guns means there would be no deaths. That is obvious to anyone outside of the US. FD No you assume there would be no deaths, OJ proved you are wrong. So... OJ strangled people with his bare hands?? Apparently it was with a knife - "Almost 20 years after the brutal murder of Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman in which the murder weapon was never found, claims have emerged that OJ - who is currently serving time for kidnapping and armed robbery - actually stashed the knife." So yeah, ONE incident in 20 years where a gun wasn't used. And how many people died unnecessarily during that time with a gun? About 640,000+ as a conservative estimate. So if you honestly think that one horrific death in 640,000 that didn't involve a gun justifies keeping them, then you are worse than a nutter. That logic is just preposterous in the extreme. As they often say.... you can't fix stupid! [8\|] And they are so right... Just from distracted driving: (I'm just one text away from being dead!) http://www.cbsnews.com/news/distracted-drivers-kill-6000-last-year/ From drunken driving: (Im just one drink away from being killed!) http://www.cdc.gov/Motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html Another interesting fact: According to the FBI, nearly twice as many people are killed by hands and fists each year than are killed by murderers who use rifles. (I'm just one short-tempered idiot away from being killed!) http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2013/01/03/fbi-more-people-killed-with-hammers-and-clubs-each-year-than-with-rifles/

BamaD -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 2:54:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Back to the thread again.....it doesn't appear that this was a sudden,lone argument about a parking space. This was a long simmering feud between neighbors it seems. So the "spur of the moment" defense is going to be hard to prove. It is looking like this was a case of one of those responsible legal gun owners deciding he had had enough over a parking spot.....grabbed his legal handgun and decided he was going to solve his problem with the tool at hand. Guns don't kill people,responsible gun owners with guns apparently do though.[:(] This seems to be premeditated, the execution style killings alone would tell you that. NOBODY BUT YOU thinks he would be included among responsible gun owners. But then you love to take a anti-religious socialist and pretend he is just one of the responsible gun owners. It was mentioned in the Post article that there may well be mental health issues (big surprise there) and once again they didn't enter it into the background database. I have said repeatedly that that information needs to be entered. It would be one more case where they, to use your terminology, care more about privacy rights than about people lives, when will the butchers bill get high enough for them to enter this information in the database? Prior to shooting these folks was the gun he used legal in the locality he lived,short answer YES. So than it follows,since you all keep repeating how it isnt legal gun owners that are the problem,that he was indeed at the time one of those oft mentioned responsible gun owners. You just can't wrap your head around the fact that all you armed assholes are one poor decision,one unbalanced moment away from being this idiot. And I ,for one,object to living under that sort of threat. The move to Canada

BamaD -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 2:56:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 But they were UNAWARE of such issues until something happened!! Does everyone in the US get a full health check every week?? I doubt that many have a full health check every few years. And that fact that someone could be fine one day and snap the next is the very reason that guns are dangerous - even in the hands of so-called 'responsible' owners. And that is happening all too often across the US. If he was under care and deemed dangerous they would not have been UNAWARE if it had been entered as it should have been. But then as you have made clear, weapons restrictions are only for peasants and Americans, not for "reasonable" people like you. How can you ask us to follows your laws when you don't? What about the ticking time bombs that have as of yet sought help.....the idiots armed and ready to snap. Do you think the rest of us have no cause to worry about bumping into one ? So you are still saying punish the innocent just in case.

BamaD -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 3:00:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u It's the frequency and lethality of firearms that make the difference. Look how far back you had to go to get to OJ Every female here now knows you're an old man. Kids born after OJ are drinking alcohol for gods sake [8\|] Since when I talk to them, off the message boards women knowing my age isn't a problem.

PeonForHer -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 3:02:06 PM)
quote: By Associated Press February 11 [Etc} HMM, THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING post BY. HOWEVER, I can't QUITE SEE THE POINT that you're attempting TO MAKE in it.

BamaD -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 3:03:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD What I do advocate is that in instances such as this, no guns means there would be no deaths. That is obvious to anyone outside of the US. FD No you assume there would be no deaths, OJ proved you are wrong. So... OJ strangled people with his bare hands?? Apparently it was with a knife - "Almost 20 years after the brutal murder of Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman in which the murder weapon was never found, claims have emerged that OJ - who is currently serving time for kidnapping and armed robbery - actually stashed the knife." So yeah, ONE incident in 20 years where a gun wasn't used. And how many people died unnecessarily during that time with a gun? About 640,000+ as a conservative estimate. So if you honestly think that one horrific death in 640,000 that didn't involve a gun justifies keeping them, then you are worse than a nutter. That logic is just preposterous in the extreme. As they often say.... you can't fix stupid! [8\|] Not a gun does not mean, to a person of any intelligence, not a weapon. As I pointed out I picked OJ because I figured that even you would know about it. There are lots of cases of people using knives to kill, more often than the total murder rate in England.

BamaD -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 3:06:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD What I do advocate is that in instances such as this, no guns means there would be no deaths. That is obvious to anyone outside of the US. FD No you assume there would be no deaths, OJ proved you are wrong. So... OJ strangled people with his bare hands?? Apparently it was with a knife - "Almost 20 years after the brutal murder of Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman in which the murder weapon was never found, claims have emerged that OJ - who is currently serving time for kidnapping and armed robbery - actually stashed the knife." So yeah, ONE incident in 20 years where a gun wasn't used. And how many people died unnecessarily during that time with a gun? About 640,000+ as a conservative estimate. So if you honestly think that one horrific death in 640,000 that didn't involve a gun justifies keeping them, then you are worse than a nutter. That logic is just preposterous in the extreme. As they often say.... you can't fix stupid! [8\|] OJs book was a virtual confession .

BitYakin -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 3:13:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD What I do advocate is that in instances such as this, no guns means there would be no deaths. That is obvious to anyone outside of the US. FD No you assume there would be no deaths, OJ proved you are wrong. So... OJ strangled people with his bare hands?? Apparently it was with a knife - "Almost 20 years after the brutal murder of Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman in which the murder weapon was never found, claims have emerged that OJ - who is currently serving time for kidnapping and armed robbery - actually stashed the knife." So yeah, ONE incident in 20 years where a gun wasn't used. And how many people died unnecessarily during that time with a gun? About 640,000+ as a conservative estimate. So if you honestly think that one horrific death in 640,000 that didn't involve a gun justifies keeping them, then you are worse than a nutter. That logic is just preposterous in the extreme. As they often say.... you can't fix stupid! [8\|] no you can't fix stupid, see above post STUPID! Really?? Go check the stats of ANY first-world country where they have enacted strict gun laws nationwide. You are more likely to die of gunshot than in any other of those countries by a factor of 20x or more. So who are the stupid ones I wonder?? [8\|] ohhh now you want to change your STUPID comment from "So yeah, ONE incident in 20 years where a gun wasn't used." to something more credible like, I am 20 times as likely to be killed by a gun in the usa than other countries.... which still only comes to like a .000001% chance of it actually happening. except I didn't call you stupid for making that 2nd claim now did I??? Mr I obey GUN LAWS, but you ain't taking my leathal weapon (club) away from me guy whose friends in the usa probably cause accidents behind them by driving to slowly, and drive away looking in the mirror saying "lookee there that idiot ran off the road into a tree" (cause he had to slam on the brakes and lost control to keep from running in to hem/her from behind) you don't even realize what a JOKE you are do you?

BitYakin -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 3:16:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: By Associated Press February 11 [Etc} HMM, THAT'S A VERY INTERESTING post BY. HOWEVER, I can't QUITE SEE THE POINT that you're attempting TO MAKE in it. and that would be YOUR problem not mine... I guess you're trying to say my writing style negates the point, prettttty weak there dude!

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 3:17:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD So you are still saying punish the innocent just in case. Why would it be "punishing the innocent" if everyone didn't have access to so many guns??? You would only hold that view if you were still in 'Wild West' mode thinking that you need guns because everyone else has one and if you don't, they'll kill you instead. Do you realize just how paranoid that sounds?? 200 years ago, I'd agree with you. Even 100 years ago, it would hold water. But in the 21st century?? Not so much - and only in America where gun nuts thrive. quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD There are lots of cases of people using knives to kill, more often than the total murder rate in England. So you are saying that this asswipe would have still killed those muslims if he didn't have a gun handy? If he did, then he deliberately went packing just to kill them. And that would indeed make it a racist killing. But generally, in these types of cases, I honestly don't think so. So my posit would still stand: in general, no gun means no deaths in a lot of scenarios. The crime figures, per capita, shows that.

slvemike4u -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 3:18:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub quote: And we are supposed to live like this because some long dead white men YES... the Constitution has worked better than any other and there is no reason not to continue living by it... If enough people want to change it they can... that is provided... until then love it our leave it...[:D] Quit bitching... you are in the minority... Change peoples minds if you want changes in the Constitution... that is the way to go. Butch I'm trying Butch,in my own little way I'm trying. Why else would I be so hated here [8\|]

slvemike4u -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 3:21:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Back to the thread again.....it doesn't appear that this was a sudden,lone argument about a parking space. This was a long simmering feud between neighbors it seems. So the "spur of the moment" defense is going to be hard to prove. It is looking like this was a case of one of those responsible legal gun owners deciding he had had enough over a parking spot.....grabbed his legal handgun and decided he was going to solve his problem with the tool at hand. Guns don't kill people,responsible gun owners with guns apparently do though.[:(] This seems to be premeditated, the execution style killings alone would tell you that. NOBODY BUT YOU thinks he would be included among responsible gun owners. But then you love to take a anti-religious socialist and pretend he is just one of the responsible gun owners. It was mentioned in the Post article that there may well be mental health issues (big surprise there) and once again they didn't enter it into the background database. I have said repeatedly that that information needs to be entered. It would be one more case where they, to use your terminology, care more about privacy rights than about people lives, when will the butchers bill get high enough for them to enter this information in the database? Prior to shooting these folks was the gun he used legal in the locality he lived,short answer YES. So than it follows,since you all keep repeating how it isnt legal gun owners that are the problem,that he was indeed at the time one of those oft mentioned responsible gun owners. You just can't wrap your head around the fact that all you armed assholes are one poor decision,one unbalanced moment away from being this idiot. And I ,for one,object to living under that sort of threat. The move to Canada Fuck you asshole,this is my country,born and bred. Where the fuck do you get off telling me where to live ? I believe that same Constitution gives me the right to hold and voice opinion,even when they are critical of my country,especially then. But you being grade a asshole don't understand that.

kdsub -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 3:28:01 PM)
Now you know Lucy loves you...anyway I am trying too. Butch

BitYakin -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 3:28:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD So you are still saying punish the innocent just in case. Why would it be "punishing the innocent" if everyone didn't have access to so many guns??? You would only hold that view if you were still in 'Wild West' mode thinking that you need guns because everyone else has one and if you don't, they'll kill you instead. Do you realize just how paranoid that sounds?? 200 years ago, I'd agree with you. Even 100 years ago, it would hold water. But in the 21st century?? Not so much - and only in America where gun nuts thrive. quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD There are lots of cases of people using knives to kill, more often than the total murder rate in England. So you are saying that this asswipe would have still killed those muslims if he didn't have a gun handy? If he did, then he deliberately went packing just to kill them. And that would indeed make it a racist killing. But generally, in these types of cases, I honestly don't think so. So my posit would still stand: in general, no gun means no deaths in a lot of scenarios. The crime figures, per capita, shows that. noo actually it COULD mean that, or any number of other reasons... like "I have told them and told them not to park in my space, now I am going to show them WHY" if some one get mad at their neighbor for ANY reason ad bashes their head in with a club, it doesn't mean their racist it means they were MAD no matter what race their neighbor happen to be! you are sooo right, you can't fix stupid!

BitYakin -> RE: Three Muslims shot (2/12/2015 3:34:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Back to the thread again.....it doesn't appear that this was a sudden,lone argument about a parking space. This was a long simmering feud between neighbors it seems. So the "spur of the moment" defense is going to be hard to prove. It is looking like this was a case of one of those responsible legal gun owners deciding he had had enough over a parking spot.....grabbed his legal handgun and decided he was going to solve his problem with the tool at hand. Guns don't kill people,responsible gun owners with guns apparently do though.[:(] This seems to be premeditated, the execution style killings alone would tell you that. NOBODY BUT YOU thinks he would be included among responsible gun owners. But then you love to take a anti-religious socialist and pretend he is just one of the responsible gun owners. It was mentioned in the Post article that there may well be mental health issues (big surprise there) and once again they didn't enter it into the background database. I have said repeatedly that that information needs to be entered. It would be one more case where they, to use your terminology, care more about privacy rights than about people lives, when will the butchers bill get high enough for them to enter this information in the database? Prior to shooting these folks was the gun he used legal in the locality he lived,short answer YES. So than it follows,since you all keep repeating how it isnt legal gun owners that are the problem,that he was indeed at the time one of those oft mentioned responsible gun owners. You just can't wrap your head around the fact that all you armed assholes are one poor decision,one unbalanced moment away from being this idiot. And I ,for one,object to living under that sort of threat. The move to Canada Fuck you asshole,this is my country,born and bred. Where the fuck do you get off telling me where to live ? I believe that same Constitution gives me the right to hold and voice opinion,even when they are critical of my country,especially then. But you being grade a asshole don't understand that. you are so right, it even gives you the right to be just as much an asshole as you think he is! and we don't hate you, we may not think you're very bright, but we don't hate you... quite honestly, you don't have enough influence in my life to cause such a strong emotion..

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