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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/18/2015 9:52:17 PM

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Your a denier, not a skeptic. You deny the information for political reasons and nothing more.

You're making shit up again, bozo.

The List of Excuses for ‘the pause’ in global warming is now up to 52.

If it's science, it isn't settled. If it's settled, it isn't science.

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/18/2015 10:06:17 PM

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There is no weather any more

Every breeze is now MAN CAUSED GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE

Yeah, even Bin Laden jumped in the boat...

Osama bin Laden has called for the world to boycott American goods and the US dollar, blaming the United States and other industrialized countries for global warming. In a new audio tape released Friday, the al-Qaeda leader also warned of the dangers of climate change and says that the way to stop it is to bring "the wheels of the American economy" to a halt. ~Source

The plan is still popular in Washington.

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/18/2015 10:20:48 PM

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Forget it, Stef. You're talking to people who are *proud* of being stupid. You could chuck grenades at their heads to see if anything would move in them, but I wouldn't rate your chances. :-(

Damn heretics! The grenade idea is cool. Faster than the rack.

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/18/2015 11:07:05 PM

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Thats how I know that its IRONIC that you try to attack my intelligence

How can I attack something that doesn't exist?

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Ever consider contributing to the topic, rather than constantly endeavor to drag these threads down to such a trollish level as this?

When you post stupid shit, you get what you deserve in return.

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/19/2015 5:34:57 AM

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Your a denier, not a skeptic. You deny the information for political reasons and nothing more.

You're making shit up again, bozo.

The List of Excuses for ‘the pause’ in global warming is now up to 52.

If it's science, it isn't settled. If it's settled, it isn't science.

I think I was pretty....specific..... in my question Kirata. I even BOLD at the very end. Here is the question again. I'll even BOLD it for you.....

Could you explain to me and the rest us, why the extent and volume of ice in the Arctic is diminishing so rapidly?

Are either of your images about the Arctic? To most intelligent people, the answer is....NO. So before you go call someone names of not being intelligent; first make sure they cant say the same stuff back and have the....EVIDENCE.....to back it up. That is what science is about, the accumulation of evidence found using the scientific method and then trying to determine what it all means.

Could you show me where your two images actually come from? You know, most scientists dont usually put up an image by itself. They like to give a long explanation for how they ran through the process, the evidence and their conclusion.

You know that Medieval Warm Period your bullshitting about? Check the Evidence. That I led off with this site, from a skeptic on the science, that you didnt seem to notice, states I can call you names for a second time!

How about that "Little Ice Age' part on your second image? You did...RESEARCH...it right? Because only a cluster-fuck moron wouldn't look it up....

Here is another person that debunks the 'Little Ice Age'

Tell me Kirata....How often do you see snow and ice in the tropics? Compared to the Arctic? Is it 'more often' or 'less often'? Because the topic of this thread had to do with 'snow'. Its the forth word in the topic. Even a 1st grader could spot that one out. While your figuring out my original question (given in BOLD above...) and all this interesting information, did you check out the About Section of the website you tried to 'attack' me on? As the guy understands the scientific evidence that you apparently do not.

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/19/2015 8:23:28 AM

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That's not a bad idea stef, then the next time I say I think there are more factors to global warming than just man and someone claims that means I don't believe in climate change I can hit them over the head with it. Now I don't think this will help them to understand the english language, but it might make me feel better.

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/19/2015 8:32:31 AM

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Thats how I know that its IRONIC that you try to attack my intelligence

How can I attack something that doesn't exist?

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Ever consider contributing to the topic, rather than constantly endeavor to drag these threads down to such a trollish level as this?

When you post stupid shit, you get what you deserve in return.

The "stupid shit" is your lowly trollishness. You disagree so you start lobbing your low IQ ad hominems

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/19/2015 10:43:22 AM

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The "stupid shit" is your lowly trollishness. You disagree so you start lobbing your low IQ ad hominems

If you don't want your IQ questioned, it would behoove you to refrain from bringing such brilliance into this discussion:

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There is no weather any more

Every breeze is now MAN CAUSED GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE

And proof that every living thing is doomed

Perhaps then your intelligence wouldn't be questioned. At least until the next time you posted.

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/19/2015 10:58:55 AM

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If you don't want your IQ questioned, it would behoove you to refrain from bringing such brilliance into this discussion:

Perhaps then your intelligence wouldn't be questioned. At least until the next time you posted.

I dont care if you question my intelligence stef, you are just a troll. This is obviously the only kind of "debate skill" that you have for the most part, and a poor reflection on you rather than any kind of a smear on me.

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/19/2015 11:34:25 AM

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I dont care if you question my intelligence stef, you are just a troll. This is obviously the only kind of "debate skill" that you have for the most part, and a poor reflection on you rather than any kind of a smear on me.

You mistake my pointing out your idiocy as debate, and that idiocy isn't a reflection on anyone but you Tommy Boy.

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There is no weather any more

Every breeze is now MAN CAUSED GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE

And proof that every living thing is doomed

Pure idiocy.

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/19/2015 11:40:38 AM

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Sorry, but you dont know what you are talking about

Your personal attacks are called ad hominems, and are in fact a low brow debate tactic - generally the only one you ever employ

Ergo, you are just a troll

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/19/2015 11:43:00 AM

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We have had enough posts going forward on more personal attacks than the topic. Please stop.

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/19/2015 3:57:58 PM

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For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert (Clarke's Fourth Law). No one who reviews the literature with an open mind can fail to conclude that the science on AGW is manifestly not "settled". Zealots who claim the contrary, and cry "denier!" are religious fanatics promoting a faith-based belief.

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/19/2015 4:11:16 PM

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Arctic outbreak shatters records in eastern U.S., coldest yet to come

A little bit of warming might be extremely welcome in some quarters

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/20/2015 5:22:22 AM

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For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert (Clarke's Fourth Law). No one who reviews the literature with an open mind can fail to conclude that the science on AGW is manifestly not "settled". Zealots who claim the contrary, and cry "denier!" are religious fanatics promoting a faith-based belief.

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"MIT professor: global warming is a ‘religion’"

"Throughout history, governments have twisted science to suit a political agenda. Global warming is no different, according to Dr. Richard Lindzen of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology...

"According to Lindzen, scientists make essentially “meaningless” claims about certain phenomenon. Activists for certain causes take up claims made by scientists and politicians respond to the alarmism spread by activists by doling out more research funding. — creating an “Iron Triangle” of poor incentives...

"“Global Warming has become a religion,” writes Lindzen. “A surprisingly large number of people seem to have concluded that all that gives meaning to their lives is the belief that they are saving the planet by paying attention to their carbon footprint.”...

"Activists have ratcheted up their claims about global warming as some scientists have scaled theirs back...

“Environmental advocates are responding by making increasingly extreme claims,” Lindzen writes. “Politicians are recognizing that these claims are implausible, and are backing away from both the issue and support for climate science. The incentive is then for scientists to look elsewhere for support. Regardless of whether this will be sufficient, one can only hope that some path will emerge that will end the present irrational obsession with climate and carbon footprints.”"

http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/29/mit-professor-global-warming-is-a-religion/2/

part of the great irony here too is the left failing to see what effect their "global warming" policies have on the poor around the world.

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/20/2015 5:26:56 AM

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A little article about your specialist...
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2014/jan/06/climate-change-climate-change-scepticism

The conservative media may currently be the single biggest roadblock to addressing the threat posed by human-caused climate change. There is virtually no support for any sort of climate policy among Republicans in US Congress, because even acknowledging the reality of global warming guarantees a wave of attacks by the extreme right-wing of the Republican Party and a probable primary election challenge. This politicization of science has been caused in large part by the conservative media like Fox News, who treat climate change like a punch line.

Another conservative media outlet, The Weekly Standard has occasionally run articles encouraging the Republican Party to stop denying science and start engaging in constructive debate about the best climate solutions. Unfortunately, those types of constructive articles are the exception rather than the norm. Last week, The Weekly Standard instead ran a puff piece about contrarian climate scientist Richard Lindzen that embodied the fundamental problems in most conservative media coverage of climate change.

Richard Lindzen is one of the approximately 3 percent of climate scientists who believe the human influence on global warming is relatively small (though Lindzen is now retired, no longer doing scientific research). More importantly, he's been wrong about nearly every major climate argument he's made over the past two decades. Lindzen is arguably the climate scientist who's been the wrongest, longest.

The Weekly Standard devotes the first page of its piece to establishing how smart Lindzen is – and he certainly is a smart man, but as climate scientist Ray Pierrehumbert put it,

"It's okay to be wrong, and [Lindzen] is a smart person, but most people don't really understand that one way of using your intelligence is to spin ever more clever ways of deceiving yourself, ever more clever ways of being wrong. And that's okay because if you are wrong in an interesting way that advances the science, I think it's great to be wrong, and he has made a career of being wrong in interesting ways about climate science."

Make no mistake about it; Lindzen has made a career of being wrong about climate science. Unfortunately, while the Weekly Standard piece goes through Lindzen's many contrarian climate arguments, it misses the key point that they haven't withstood scientific scrutiny or the test of time:

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/20/2015 5:42:08 AM

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For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert (Clarke's Fourth Law). No one who reviews the literature with an open mind can fail to conclude that the science on AGW is manifestly not "settled". Zealots who claim the contrary, and cry "denier!" are religious fanatics promoting a faith-based belief.

To be fair, when it comes to climate change, for every denier, there are a hundred accepters. And the two sides, while opposite, are frequently not 'equal': the deniers are all too often experts in disciplines other than climatology. That human induced climate change is occurring *is* settled, unless one's definition of 'settled' sets an unrealistically high bar. There is a consensus that it's happening. A few on the extreme - therefore we can rightly call them extremists - don't accept it. That's the state of play with the matter, nowadays.

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/20/2015 6:00:27 AM

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part of the great irony here too is the left failing to see what effect their "global warming" policies have on the poor around the world.

That's no doubt true, in certain ways. But in others, they're only too clear about what will happen to the poorest people in the world if there isn't action on climate change. For instance, the most arid countries in the world also contain many of the poorest people. When what little water dries up, those areas will become uninhabitable and we can then expect mass migrations and ensuing friction between nations - nations, as it happens, that are already experiencing a lot of friction. But well before this has occurred, it will have been those who've argued for action on climate change who will done most to protect the flora and fauna on which those poor people depend.

As for Lindzen, your denying-scientist: to add to Lucy's comments - there's just no point in highlighting this or that denier's views at length. It implies some presumption that goes, roughly, 'One scientist says yes, another says no, so the truth is still up for grabs'. That's a dangerous and simplistic take on the state of the science. It also begs reams and reams of quotes by other scientists in opposition - which few here will read, much less understand.

As for the 'politics of climate change' - this always baffles me more than any other comment when deniers trumpet it. By a long, long way the powers-that-be will not want to hear about human induced climate change. It implies limits on the wealth and the power of the vast bulk of the people who currently hold them. I mean, really, who do you think is going to be able to bring the most pressure to bear on the politicians of the White House - the oil industry, or a bunch of climatologists?

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/20/2015 6:49:37 AM

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RE: The End of Snow? - 2/20/2015 7:48:29 AM

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Andrew klavan is my long lost brother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qldJRY5aGaA

I’m Andrew Klavan and this is the Revolting Truth.

It’s time to take an hysterical and panicky look at fake global warming. Fake global warming is one of the most serious fake problems not actually facing our nation today. According to smarmy billionaire Al Gore, we must take useless and expensive actions immediately or the polar ice caps will be completely melted by two thousand and thirteen… which will be catastrophic when last year arrives.

And the polar bears — oh, the polar bears! Studies reveal that over the last twenty years, as computer models of the climate have progressively damaged computer models of their habitat, the polar bear population has steadily increased. But that’s only in real life! In the computer models, the poor creatures are dropping like flies.

Let’s examine the distorted facts. Between the years 1950 and 2000, the earth’s temperature increased approximately nine tenths of a degree Centigrade. Over the exact same period, the price of butter in Morris County New Jersey rose from 77 cents a pound to nearly four dollars. According to climate change logic, this means that if we give government the power to lower the price of butter in Morris County, the temperature should once again sink back to the levels of the 1950’s. And weren’t the 50‘s a fine old time! Who wouldn’t want those temperatures back again?

I realize there are some superstitious troglodytes who don’t believe in science. They insist we have to go on powering our country with oil and gas instead of using sustainable energy from the holy Vitraya Ramunong tree from that great, great movie Avatar. We’ve explained to them that 97 percent of scientists believe in global warming, but it means nothing to them, even though the number 97 percent has been scientifically selected as the most panic-inducing random number available.

But fake global warming is not just a fake problem for a computer generated future. Even as we speak, it’s creating a pervasive and irritating whining noise that sounds almost exactly like the President of the United States. This must be stopped.

I’m Andrew Klavan with the Revolting Truth.

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