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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 6:32:24 AM   
sexyred1


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Status: offline 		No. People are overestimating the effect of this book and the ruckus about it is cracking me up.

The funniest thing are those who think it's somehow going to ruin BDSM.

What do you care who it inspires or doesn't inspire.

Find your own bliss.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 8:29:57 AM   
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No. People are overestimating the effect of this book and the ruckus about it is cracking me up.

The funniest thing are those who think it's somehow going to ruin BDSM.

What do you care who it inspires or doesn't inspire.

Find your own bliss.



EXACTLY THAT!!!! ^^^^^

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 8:35:29 AM   
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No. People are overestimating the effect of this book and the ruckus about it is cracking me up.

The funniest thing are those who think it's somehow going to ruin BDSM.

What do you care who it inspires or doesn't inspire.

Find your own bliss.


Eh, I see why folks are upset about the non consent.

I think it's funny that all my filmmaker friends are dying because the movie itself is poorly written and made and breaking box office records hahaha

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 8:57:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sir and i were discussing this last night...the movie and this very thread. Not sure if anyone has read the books, but a lot is left out in the movie. The after care was huge in the books. Not a thing about it in the movie. Also, she does say no to him, which stops him dead in his tracks. The entire time she was curious, and allowed him to do these things to her. Even the most "brutal" scene (for vanillas) where she was bent over the table counting the lashes of the belt, she had ever opportunity to stop it, and she did not. To me, that doesn't sound like non consent. Again, just my opinion.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 9:21:16 AM   
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Sir and i were discussing this last night...the movie and this very thread. Not sure if anyone has read the books, but a lot is left out in the movie. The after care was huge in the books. Not a thing about it in the movie. Also, she does say no to him, which stops him dead in his tracks. The entire time she was curious, and allowed him to do these things to her. Even the most "brutal" scene (for vanillas) where she was bent over the table counting the lashes of the belt, she had ever opportunity to stop it, and she did not. To me, that doesn't sound like non consent. Again, just my opinion.


The bolded parts are the key for me.

Exposing the lifestyle, such as they did, to the vanilla world absent the bolded parts, vilifies the lifestyle and has spurred this "50 shades of abuse" campaign.

Most people know that when you are introducing someone to chess, you don't throw the checkers to the floor, set up the pieces, and kick the ever living shit out of the newbie as you play a game of knights. If they do not know how to move a pawn, how will they begin to survive a game of knights?

50 shades slapped the checkers off the board and blindsided the ignorant with a brilliant game of knights. The audience sat there with their decimated pieces and empty half of their board, while the movie industry only moved their knights.

Over the last few days we've had newbies asking questions and they are getting the best answers ever. Not the answers they are really looking for, but the best answers... read, study, learn, and KNOW YOURSELF. None of us have the magic wand that can "poof" you're uber D, or "poof" you're perfect slave. We point them in the right direction so they can learn and evolve into the kinkster they need to be naturally.

50 shades robbed the lifestyle of the safety, communication, and consent that is the basis of WIITWD.

Jus sayin

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 9:28:08 AM   
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Sir and i were discussing this last night...the movie and this very thread. Not sure if anyone has read the books, but a lot is left out in the movie. The after care was huge in the books. Not a thing about it in the movie. Also, she does say no to him, which stops him dead in his tracks. The entire time she was curious, and allowed him to do these things to her. Even the most "brutal" scene (for vanillas) where she was bent over the table counting the lashes of the belt, she had ever opportunity to stop it, and she did not. To me, that doesn't sound like non consent. Again, just my opinion.


I haven't read the books, I prefer to watch my porn and hear they are poorly written at best.

But this outlines some of my feelings about it. Although, I admit some of it is pretty nit picky/not necessarily true, but as a rape victim myself, Christian Grey sounds like one scary asshole...
http://zephyrscribe.tumblr.com/post/52727257364/fifty-things-wrong-with-fifty-shades-of-grey

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 10:44:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have never read the mad scribblings; personally i think i could have crayoned a lot better, if not i, certainly a pack of excitable monkeys contradiction - given that I have never read, so would my comment be fair and accurate. I tend to direct people to the secretary and story of o the films as the first is based on a short, and cake baking course

The publicity is good i have said that before here. Your point was what, what is BDSM! well it can be anything, save perhaps some slobbering nonsense about some angst ridden billionaire.

Consider the possibility that these newbies find their way to these sites their main impression will be its all about getting thrashed into next week with pots and pans and kitchen sinks and kneel suk it bint i fair love the classics do I* and so on, usually from married people or open relationships or bad porn stereotypes talking pants.
Marvelous.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 1:19:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		So, to sum this up (and yes, maybe I'm being bitchy here) I gather that the general group dynamic is thrashing a movie, derived from a book that was never read. Ok, I get that. I understand that everyone has their opinion, their kinks, and their intent, that is to say, to each their own. And is it necessarily a bad thing that you have folks coming here and asking questions, not to mention getting good answers? Heck, at least they're asking and not getting into a horrible situation. I am not here to defend the books or the movie. I simply find it hard to make a point about something that wasn't fully explored. Yeah, the movie sucked, I totally agree, but the books were different. And yes, there is a bold line with people concerning said books. There is the group that liked/loved them, and the group that absolutely hates them. Me? I didn't mind them a bit. I went into them with a vanilla mind, and came out the other side curious and questioning. That led me to my perfect relationship. I also read them for what they were....FANTASY. People don't like the Harry Potter series, either and that is their opinion. The first 4 movies in that series were horrible as well. So what?

I have no doubt I'm pissing several folks off, especially since I don't even have 100 posts on here yet. I just find it hard to get on board with the gang mentality. And for the record, (not that it's a competition), I too, am a rape victim. Although the director's choice of actors for Christian Grey is completely wrong. He sucked, and was ugly and creepy. That didn't help. But that doesn't mean the books were as bad (to me) as everyone seems to be making them out to be.

ETA: Anyone with any common sense knows that Hollywood things out way worse than they are. They are in it to make money. To me, they've done their job by forcing the conversation (here and in private homes) and bringing the lifestyle to light.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 2:11:27 PM   
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People don't like the Harry Potter series...




Now I've had about enuff of that shit!

1. Star Trek is real... the government is covering up the truth by making a tv series about it.
2. Just because you didn't get your letter to Hogwarts... well, you suck and that's why.
3. The fucking easter bunny is the only bunny that lays an egg.
4. Santa has the best job in the world.
5. The queen of England is made up for tabloid drama.
6. Oz is over the rainbow.
7. God is an astronaut. We met him in the gamma quadrant on the Enterprise.
8. Median is where the monsters live.

Now, cut this shit out.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 2:45:49 PM   
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Sir and i were discussing this last night...the movie and this very thread. Not sure if anyone has read the books, but a lot is left out in the movie. The after care was huge in the books. Not a thing about it in the movie. Also, she does say no to him, which stops him dead in his tracks. The entire time she was curious, and allowed him to do these things to her. Even the most "brutal" scene (for vanillas) where she was bent over the table counting the lashes of the belt, she had ever opportunity to stop it, and she did not. To me, that doesn't sound like non consent. Again, just my opinion.


The bolded parts are the key for me.

Exposing the lifestyle, such as they did, to the vanilla world absent the bolded parts, vilifies the lifestyle and has spurred this "50 shades of abuse" campaign.

Most people know that when you are introducing someone to chess, you don't throw the checkers to the floor, set up the pieces, and kick the ever living shit out of the newbie as you play a game of knights. If they do not know how to move a pawn, how will they begin to survive a game of knights?

50 shades slapped the checkers off the board and blindsided the ignorant with a brilliant game of knights. The audience sat there with their decimated pieces and empty half of their board, while the movie industry only moved their knights.

Over the last few days we've had newbies asking questions and they are getting the best answers ever. Not the answers they are really looking for, but the best answers... read, study, learn, and KNOW YOURSELF. None of us have the magic wand that can "poof" you're uber D, or "poof" you're perfect slave. We point them in the right direction so they can learn and evolve into the kinkster they need to be naturally.

50 shades robbed the lifestyle of the safety, communication, and consent that is the basis of WIITWD.

Jus sayin


Again, you are giving it too much credit. I don't like to comment without knowing, so I admit I read all 3 books. Have not seen the film.

They sucked as writing, very Valley girl-ish and it wasn't hot at all. I like tougher sex descriptions.

What is was, was a love story. It was not non-consensual in the least, in fact, the chick was in control pretty much the whole time and the "BDSM lite" got less and less as the series dragged on.

I really have to laugh at your last line, and Ya know I love Ya, that the book robbed the lifestyle of anything.

It's not an absolute given that a filmaker, author, musician, actor, artist or any creative person educate and inform people. For some, maybe they want to, but people create THEIR version of art for self expression and/or money.

So why have such high expectations of a book or film and give it such power to "ruin" a lifestyle?

I actually think it's great that more people are intrigued or getting more open to discuss these types of desires, but I felt Secretary did a far better job of this.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 2:50:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't read it because I don't want to support that. EL James doesn't need money from me. I have seen enough quotes to know it is as bad as that.

I'm not into BDSM or feminism to support rape culture. There is plenty of evidence outside of having to read the books to know that.
If anything, I think reading the books will probably piss me off even more. It's not a competition, but I'm also not gonna support it with my dollars. It's fine you enjoyed them, and it's fine I chose not to for a lot of the reasons laid out in the link I posted.

It's my money, i support what I think is worth supporting with it.

Call it group think all you want, clearly the book spoke to a great many folks, the sales are through the roof. So its all gravy anyways.


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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 2:54:05 PM   
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I actually think it's great that more people are intrigued or getting more open to discuss these types of desires, but I felt Secretary did a far better job of this


Did it? I've never seen 'Secretary', either, and for the same reason that I haven't seen this latest one - that I thought it would bore the scrotum off me. I *did* see '9.5 Weeks', but I decided after that I'd never go and see any more femsub chick-flicks. They just make me cringe.



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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 2:57:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I really liked Secretary. Even my vanilla friends "got it".

Interestingly, the Book Secretary did not end as the movie did and in the movie, the issue was that the woman was a cutter, and finding her submission and love "fixed" her. Some had a problem with that.

It was well done and acted.

As for 9 1/2 Weeks, I loved that book, but the movie was not that great.

Although it left me very sad, just like the book.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 3:03:34 PM   
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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 3:11:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		The story was in Bad Behavior, short story collection by Mary Gaitskill. She often includes themes of sadomasochism in her stories.

In the book, Lee does not end up with Mr.Grey and it's more cut and dried as a D/s short term relationship. The movie allowed it to grow into a love based BDSM relationship.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 3:13:28 PM   
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How did the book Secretary end?


Too many pages after it started, from what I hear.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 4:02:07 PM   
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is like believing Star Trek is actual space travel."



You're wrong, Colonel Sanders, you're wrong!!!!









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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 4:08:10 PM   
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You're fucking awesome, RS!!!!

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 9:56:10 PM   
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I think you wasted it on this thread though. Far to good for the likes of E.L. James.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 10:59:54 PM   
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Good one RS. Where's the fucking "like" button on this site?

I think you wasted it on this thread though. Far to good for the likes of E.L. James.

No one has ever implied I like Colonol Sanders before. Can you imagine my horror when I looked at my own forum avatar and saw that ExiledTyrant was right? My avatar does have a resemblance to Colonel Sanders. My beard isn't normally pointy, but in that photo it looks like the Colonel's beard. All I needed was a bucket of KFC chicken and so the meme idea struck me.

Maybe I can get a job as modeling for KFC as the new hip Colonel Sanders. We can make a special bucket called:





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