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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 11:09:21 PM   
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I am dying.

I didn't think you looked like Sanders either until it was pointed out. Now I can't stop laughing at the idea of what you googled to find that Shibari chicken...

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/18/2015 11:35:18 PM   
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I am dying.

I didn't think you looked like Sanders either until it was pointed out. Now I can't stop laughing at the idea of what you googled to find that Shibari chicken...


They didn't have a Shibari chicken on bing image search. But I found that chicken by searching Turkey Bondage.

ExiledTyrant has great sense of humor.... but I am hating KFC big time now.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/19/2015 1:12:21 AM   
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People don't like the Harry Potter series...




Now I've had about enuff of that shit!

1. Star Trek is real... the government is covering up the truth by making a tv series about it.
2. Just because you didn't get your letter to Hogwarts... well, you suck and that's why.
3. The fucking easter bunny is the only bunny that lays an egg.
4. Santa has the best job in the world.
5. The queen of England is made up for tabloid drama.
6. Oz is over the rainbow.
7. God is an astronaut. We met him in the gamma quadrant on the Enterprise.
8. Median is where the monsters live.

Now, cut this shit out.


Exiled Tyrant... lol you rule! too funny/and true

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/19/2015 1:20:22 AM   
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RS,

I owe you your body weight in beer for turning me on to "greydar". Fucking superb.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/19/2015 5:28:25 AM   
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People don't like the Harry Potter series...




Now I've had about enuff of that shit!

1. Star Trek is real... the government is covering up the truth by making a tv series about it.
2. Just because you didn't get your letter to Hogwarts... well, you suck and that's why.
3. The fucking easter bunny is the only bunny that lays an egg.
4. Santa has the best job in the world.
5. The queen of England is made up for tabloid drama.
6. Oz is over the rainbow.
7. God is an astronaut. We met him in the gamma quadrant on the Enterprise.
8. Median is where the monsters live.

Now, cut this shit out.


Now that was funny shit right there, HA!

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It's fine you enjoyed them, and it's fine I chose not to for a lot of the reasons laid out in the link I posted.

It's my money, i support what I think is worth supporting with it.

Call it group think all you want, clearly the book spoke to a great many folks, the sales are through the roof. So its all gravy anyways.





And you are absolutely right and that was my point. We are all entitled to our opinion. However I don't think anyone should be bashing folks who DID enjoy the books. To a small degree, it's akin to picking out a 'toy' (flogger, paddle, anal plug, etc) and bashing it just because it isn't their cup of tea. Personally, I don't care if I was the only one in the world who liked it, or saw it as something different. But I do care when people project their opinions trying to "rally the troops" against all who disagree. I'm not saying that was done, either to me or anyone else, it is a general statement.

Let me be clear in stating that I am NOT singling out one person here. Although I'm beginning to wonder about ExiledTyrant and his proclamation about Santa having the best job in the world. Really? It's fucking cold up there dude!! Jeez!!

And on that note, I have only one question.....if it's no big deal, everyone is entitled to their opinion, etc...why is everyone (including me) getting so wound up about bashing or defending it? Humans are weird.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/19/2015 5:38:43 AM   
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Let me be clear in stating that I am NOT singling out one person here. Although I'm beginning to wonder about ExiledTyrant and his proclamation about Santa having the best job in the world. Really? It's fucking cold up there dude!! Jeez!!




Wow... put on the tinfoil hat and shut the propaganda outa yer brain.

1. All the cute little elves are slaves for Santa's sweat shop. Have you ever heard of an elf cashing a check?
2. He spends 363 days a year in Hawaii, drinking, surfing, and banging out tourists.
3. 74% of all illegitimate children were conceived on Christmas Eve.
4. Viagra is the elvish word for endurance.


Any questions?

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/19/2015 6:22:33 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Let me be clear in stating that I am NOT singling out one person here. Although I'm beginning to wonder about ExiledTyrant and his proclamation about Santa having the best job in the world. Really? It's fucking cold up there dude!! Jeez!!




Wow... put on the tinfoil hat and shut the propaganda outa yer brain.

1. All the cute little elves are slaves for Santa's sweat shop. Have you ever heard of an elf cashing a check?
2. He spends 363 days a year in Hawaii, drinking, surfing, and banging out tourists.
3. 74% of all illegitimate children were conceived on Christmas Eve.
4. Viagra is the elvish word for endurance.


Any questions?



Actually, yes.......Does this hat make me look fat?


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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/19/2015 6:23:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AlabamaPrincess


quote:

ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant


quote:

ORIGINAL: AlabamaPrincess


Let me be clear in stating that I am NOT singling out one person here. Although I'm beginning to wonder about ExiledTyrant and his proclamation about Santa having the best job in the world. Really? It's fucking cold up there dude!! Jeez!!




Wow... put on the tinfoil hat and shut the propaganda outa yer brain.

1. All the cute little elves are slaves for Santa's sweat shop. Have you ever heard of an elf cashing a check?
2. He spends 363 days a year in Hawaii, drinking, surfing, and banging out tourists.
3. 74% of all illegitimate children were conceived on Christmas Eve.
4. Viagra is the elvish word for endurance.


Any questions?



Actually, yes.......Does this hat make me look fat?




Nooooo... (points and snickers), not a bit.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/19/2015 8:55:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant


quote:

ORIGINAL: AlabamaPrincess


Let me be clear in stating that I am NOT singling out one person here. Although I'm beginning to wonder about ExiledTyrant and his proclamation about Santa having the best job in the world. Really? It's fucking cold up there dude!! Jeez!!




Wow... put on the tinfoil hat and shut the propaganda outa yer brain.

1. All the cute little elves are slaves for Santa's sweat shop. Have you ever heard of an elf cashing a check?
2. He spends 363 days a year in Hawaii, drinking, surfing, and banging out tourists.
3. 74% of all illegitimate children were conceived on Christmas Eve.
4. Viagra is the elvish word for endurance.


Any questions?


Wait...you're Santa aren't you? That's why if you move some letters around its so close to satan...

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/19/2015 8:59:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: shiftyw


quote:

ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant


quote:

ORIGINAL: AlabamaPrincess


Let me be clear in stating that I am NOT singling out one person here. Although I'm beginning to wonder about ExiledTyrant and his proclamation about Santa having the best job in the world. Really? It's fucking cold up there dude!! Jeez!!




Wow... put on the tinfoil hat and shut the propaganda outa yer brain.

1. All the cute little elves are slaves for Santa's sweat shop. Have you ever heard of an elf cashing a check?
2. He spends 363 days a year in Hawaii, drinking, surfing, and banging out tourists.
3. 74% of all illegitimate children were conceived on Christmas Eve.
4. Viagra is the elvish word for endurance.


Any questions?


Wait...you're Santa aren't you? That's why if you move some letters around its so close to satan...



Let's just say that I moonlight as Santa since that job doesn't require much management.


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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/19/2015 9:01:19 AM   
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Well it also explains why I've never gotten coal despite being so naughty...

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/19/2015 9:22:40 AM   
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50 Shades of Gray is a female phenomena. 100 Million Copies sold. 80M box office gross. A heretofore unpublished author self publishes a book with one-star prose and it simply takes over the pop culture world.

I remain utterly fascinated.

My waitress yesterday said it was porn. She wasn't too hyped to see the movie.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/19/2015 7:48:19 PM   
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For the last 25 five years there has been hundreds of historical romances that verged on the FSOG story. I've watched The Secratery and I've watched 9 & a Half Weeks. Both those films depicted unconsensual dominance that turned into a hot romance. FSOG is nothing new, it just got out at the right time to a much bigger audience and people are clearly loving it. In the main its just spiced up a lot of peoples love life and that has to be good. If some come into the BDSM community, good luck to them; perhaps they needed the book to gain inspiration to make that journey. Yes they will be naieve just like we all were when we entered this lifestyle but just like we did, they will learn; they will become savvy.


Hmmm. I'm just trying to picture a woman walking out of a cinema, enraptured by 50 Shades and the whole idea of subbing with Prince Charming McDominant, then turning up the next day at, say, the Bristol Munch to get chatted up by Mr Fred McBeardy-Wurzel as he offers her a roll-up. Plummet. *Ouch*.

I don't know if 50 Shades will inspire anybody. Part of the damage it does comes from locating D/s and BDSM in a modern-day fairyland. I could imagine that people who had some vague interest will watch the film and think, '*Sigh*. Bliss - but bliss doesn't happen in the real world'.



I think that's no more likely than a woman reading a Harlequin Romance novel and then going to the beach, expecting a handsome shiek to ride up on a horse and take them away. I mean, heck, movies/books pretty much depict everything in a fantasy/fairyland way.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/20/2015 3:23:20 AM   
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Maybe I'm one of the few who read all the quotes from the link in the original post. The quote, I like, that brings up an interesting point is
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the biggest problem concerned the ending of the third book in the series: Anastasia Steele and Christian Grey become a vanilla couple, which amounts to several bad messages about BDSM. She tops him from the bottom in the worst way possible and is rewarded for it.

In other words, the books end saying that BDSM is bad. Yes, there are relationships where for whatever reason one or both parties decide to stop engaging in kinky activities, but the "dominant" in this book suffered from abuse and the "submissive" set out to change him. Changing someone because of emotional problems is completely different than giving up a lifestyle/hobby/etc because you no longer enjoy it or it doesn't fit in to your life [family has moved in for a few weeks, etc]. I read all the posts in this thread and some people seem to think that there was never an issue with consent. Okay, let's forget about that. Let's look at how the "submissive" is topping from the bottom with someone who is "dominant". I can't imagine that any REAL dominant [not a play-dom like the lead male character seems to be] would allow this sort of thing. A dominant is dominant for a reason, they like being in control.. In another quote from the list, it is mentioned that Grey stalks the "submissive". I'm sorry but what REAL dominant would actually do that?

I'm not a fan of these books and pretty much any mainstream books that involve BDSM as well. There was abuse [of power] in 9 1/2 Weeks. Anne Rice's Beauty trilogy is highly unrealistic. I think I'll have to rewatch Secretary though. Someone commented about how finding submission and love fixed the submissive's need to cut herself. Although, if I remember, she may have been cutting because she was terribly bored with her life, so when she becomes the secretary [and submissive], she no longer feels the need to cut anymore, thus making the movie not as terrible as the others.


Here's a blog I found from another thread that discusses the abuse that occurs throughout the books
http://theramblingcurl.blogspot.com/2014/02/fifty-abusive-moments-in-fifty-shades.html
#18 is especially interesting
quote:

Christian turns up uninvited. He proceeds to try to seduce Ana, given that that's pretty much all he ever does. Ana tells him that she doesn't want sex and would rather talk. "'No,' I protest, kicking him off." But this is Christian Grey. The abusive scum bucket who only considers his own desires. So, upon hearing the woman he claims to care for saying a very definite "no" to sex, he replies with these words: "If you struggle, I'll tie your feet, too. If you make a noise, Anastasia, I will gag you. Keep quiet. Katherine is probably outside listening, right now." He then proceeds to have sex with her, in spite of her trying to kick him away and saying "no."


What also bothers me about the hype, all the magazines and news shows that are littered with this stuff.. Newsweek came out with one of those $10 "magazines" dedicated to this franchise!! Like someone else said, it's mommy-porn.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/20/2015 3:28:34 AM   
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I think I'll have to rewatch Secretary though. Someone commented about how finding submission and love fixed the submissive's need to cut herself. Although, if I remember, she may have been cutting because she was terribly bored with her life, so when she becomes the secretary [and submissive], she no longer feels the need to cut anymore, thus making the movie not as terrible as the others.


Yep. People with some brains have been recommending The Secretary to me recently. I might actually watch this one some day.

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/20/2015 5:20:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: seekingreality


quote:

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quote:

For the last 25 five years there has been hundreds of historical romances that verged on the FSOG story. I've watched The Secratery and I've watched 9 & a Half Weeks. Both those films depicted unconsensual dominance that turned into a hot romance. FSOG is nothing new, it just got out at the right time to a much bigger audience and people are clearly loving it. In the main its just spiced up a lot of peoples love life and that has to be good. If some come into the BDSM community, good luck to them; perhaps they needed the book to gain inspiration to make that journey. Yes they will be naieve just like we all were when we entered this lifestyle but just like we did, they will learn; they will become savvy.


Hmmm. I'm just trying to picture a woman walking out of a cinema, enraptured by 50 Shades and the whole idea of subbing with Prince Charming McDominant, then turning up the next day at, say, the Bristol Munch to get chatted up by Mr Fred McBeardy-Wurzel as he offers her a roll-up. Plummet. *Ouch*.

I don't know if 50 Shades will inspire anybody. Part of the damage it does comes from locating D/s and BDSM in a modern-day fairyland. I could imagine that people who had some vague interest will watch the film and think, '*Sigh*. Bliss - but bliss doesn't happen in the real world'.



I think that's no more likely than a woman reading a Harlequin Romance novel and then going to the beach, expecting a handsome shiek to ride up on a horse and take them away. I mean, heck, movies/books pretty much depict everything in a fantasy/fairyland way.


(in bold) THIS is what I've been trying to say! It's FANTASY.....yes, there will be MANY people who believe they can enter or seek out a BDSM relationship and it be all peaches and floggers. By the same token, like what was JUST SAID, there are those that believe they can go to the beach and find Fabio, as well as those who believe they can wave a wand and become Harry Potter (yes, there are adults who believe this), and the same folks believe the WWE Wrestling is real. Basically, all we're doing is bashing a fantasy book, which in all reality is contradictory......a fantasy book we are trying to compare to reality. We don't do that with any other books (or movies....we didn't bash Star Trek when they supposedly found god)....so why are we wasting our time and effort here?

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/20/2015 7:51:12 AM   
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No more 50 Shades threads so I'll put it here.

Cinema accidentally shows 50 Shades of Grey instead of SpongeBob.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2322441/news

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/20/2015 7:57:43 AM   
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No more 50 Shades threads so I'll put it here.

Cinema accidentally shows 50 Shades of Grey instead of SpongeBob.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2322441/news



Ha! oops! lol

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/20/2015 8:00:38 AM   
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No more 50 Shades threads so I'll put it here.

Cinema accidentally shows 50 Shades of Grey instead of SpongeBob.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2322441/news



Ha! oops! lol


I'm glad I'm not the only one. I felt really bad for reacting like that!

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RE: -=50 Professionals, Why They Hate '50 Shades Of Gre... - 2/20/2015 3:09:37 PM   
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As I mentioned in another thread, this book was marketed as being a ROMANCE! NOT a fantasy book. According to wikipedia,
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Fantasy is a genre of fiction that commonly uses magic and other supernatural phenomena as a primary plot element, theme, or setting. Many works within the genre take place in imaginary worlds where magic and magical creatures are common.

While I haven't read the books, and aside from the fact that locations were inaccurate [based on reviews I have read], the book does not fit the fantasy genre. So using that as a defense for the outlandish stuff that was written is a stretch. Yes, the books are works of fiction, and being fictional, the reader should accept that what is written is not 100% real [refer to the inaccuracies in geography]. But, refer to
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Suspension of disbelief or willing suspension of disbelief is a term coined in 1817 by the poet and aesthetic philosopher Samuel Taylor Coleridge, who suggested that if a writer could infuse a "human interest and a semblance of truth" into a fantastic tale, the reader would suspend judgement concerning the implausibility of the narrative
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

A good piece of fiction uses a semblance of truth, and these books seem to be lacking in that area. If the only thing people had to ignore were the location issues, then the books probably wouldn't be as controversial. Changing genres, these books would be like if someone were writing a mystery that took place around World War 2, but said that the Spanish were responsible for the deaths of millions. Or even better. Spaceships bombed Pearl Harbor, etc. There is suspension of disbelief, and there is
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Cognitive estrangement in fiction involves using a person's ignorance or lack of knowledge to promote suspension of disbelief.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

For those familiar with the BDSM, I think it's the ignorance that bothers people. Safe, sane, and consensual didn't seem to be important, and there have been many articles written stating stuff like
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Although BDSM has often in the past been thought to be associated with psychopathology, the authors of the study argued that practitioners are generally psychologically healthy, if not more so in some respects, compared to the general population. However, it should be noted that most of the apparent psychological benefits of being a practitioner applied to those in the dominant rather than the submissive role.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201307/bdsm-personality-and-mental-health

Which, I think, is where fetishists have to close their eyes and pretend that what has been written in this trilogy is actually real, not a relationship based on abuse, etc

As for all the criticism of Harlequin and romance novels, have any of you who complain about them, have you read them? Sure, we all may not be heirs to some Fortune 500 company. Or we may all not drive million dollar cars, etc. But not all romances involve some guy LITERALLY riding up on a white horse and whisking the heroine to his castle. In fact, of the romance novels that I do read, 99% of the time, anything involving a sheikh, I avoid, and it's not because there is a sheikh involved [sometimes the occupation doesn't make any difference, well with the exception that a mechanic probably isn't going to have millions of dollars in their bank account], it's because the guy turns out to be a douchewad and leads the girl along, but of course, at the end of the story they wind up together. What kind of romance is that? Yes, a good romance does involve turmoil, but there is turmoil and then there is being engaged to someone else because it has been arranged for years, but you are secretly in love with your mistress, but don't tell her until after she has dumped your sorry *bleep*. For some real romances, check out authors like Debbie Macomber, Danielle Steel, Robyn Carr, Marie Ferrarella, etc



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