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I have to question the accuracy of the article in the OP. The only other explanation is there are people slipping through the cracks. It's illegal for ex felons or misdemeanor violent offenders to have guns or permits according to Florida state and federal law without an expungement or waiver. If there are people with permits who are ineligible by law to posess a gun then it's simply another one of those gun laws we're not enforcing. The NY Times seems to have the information on these people. Find them and prosecute. What's the freakin probalemo ?

Applicants for permits need to show firearms proficiency. There are various forms of firearms proficiency including hunter safety and training certificates, prior military qualifications or proficiency certificate classes offered in places around the state by certified instructors. Depending on the type of permit you apply for it can be reciprocal in 36 states.

If the honorable senator from Texas wants to enable a person with his permit to pack heat with his 15 round magazine and all the rest of it in NYC then I'm all for it [8D]

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And that has fuck all to do with making CCP's portable...but you knew that anyway.
Despite cosmetic differences one can assume that if you can drive in Texas you should be able to drive in Maine....concealed carry goes to the heart of each states right to pass local laws.
Your crowd does believe in State's Right's ...correct ?

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not only all that...but every so often you hear about these legal horror stories of people who cross state lines with their concealed weapons and run afoul of the law.

And identifying these criminals will be nade all that much harder were this bill to become law...or are you having difficulty understanding that


It's amazing,no matter how silly the argument,no matter that it violated a standard Conservative bedrock principal,that of States Rights,there is still any number of gun fondlers on CS who will jump to the defense of the indefensible
Pretty much reveals their bullshit as just what it is....guns,guns everywhere guns [:@]

im not talking about "criminals" here, I am talking about people like igor for instance who just innocently travel from one state to another and don't know they are breaking the law.

and...please lay off the snark with me.

which actually all raises a question you really need to answer:

so, igor has a gun, lets say he lives in Arizona and wants to drive to new York, spending 2-3 nights in every state along the way. what would you have him to do? not bring his gun? or somehow contact the bureaucracy in every single state he travels through in order to get their permission?

That's exact;y what I would have him do....not violate the laws of the sovereign states he intends to travel thru and certainly not to bring that gun to my state of birth New York.
Anything else and he is indeed a criminal...as is the lady,inadvertent as it might have been,who wandered into New Jersey.
For the sake of this conversation,and really all conversations,,,,,criminal is defined as someone who breaks the law,no?
Last I looked ignorance of the law is not a defense...though it is ,and should be,a mitigating factor.As I said earlier she is free to claim mitigation but not to deny she broke the law at all.

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i appreciate your answering that...

there are far too many laws that make "criminals" out of people who are really not.


im curious if anyone here with a concealed carry permit has ever done what we are talking about?

for that matter, does anyone even know the process of being "allowed" to carry in other states?

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thank you kitten...

so mike---help me understand---is the main problem you are having with the bill is that sometimes states mess up and felons get guns?

if that is true---do you think those felons care that new York's law is tougher than Florida's, such that if they wanted to go to ny AND take their guns there, that they actually wouldn't?

No my main problem is a Senator from a state with lax guns laws telling the citizens of another state which of their laws are applicable.
States Rights is as good a place as any to look at.

You must have ignored it when I posted the address so you can read the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution which negates this argument. And yet you want to Federalize gun law which of course you don't see as a violation of states rights.

No,any federalization of gun laws that I would like to see would of necessity mean an amendment to the constitution ,no?
So no violation of states rights.
As it stands now the different states have different requirements for ccw....disregarding those legal ,court tested statutes is an end around on states rights....and yes I disregarded your link as I have reasons to doubt your motivations and I am not a constitutional scholar.
As such I will rely on the fact that these laws stand so I have to assume,given the veracity of the gun lobby,that were they unconstitutional they would have already been struck down.
The NRA and the gun industry not being shy in throwing their weight around [:)]

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FYI, Mike was over on Fetlife today discussing his ban from the forum here. If you're waiting for him to reply here, you might be in for a long wait.