PeonForHer
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You don't see any of these families decrying ISIS or AQ do you??
You don't see them declaring that ISIS is bad do you?
You don't see them abandoning their faith because their faith is corrupting their children do you??
No, they just want their daughters back because they know the consequences.
So you think that the man whose daughter has flitted off to Syria supports ISIS - but, is too scared to join up with them himself, or something? Really, FD - does that make sense to you? And what is he meant to do on television when asked how he feels? I would have thought that you'd need to be seriously jaundiced to assume that he thinks anything *other* than that ISIS is bad.
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All the so-called 'moderates' tell us they are a good religion, a kind and loving religion, yet they fear for their daughters joining a purist Islamic group such as ISIS or AQ because they know how they will be treated.
What they say to the media is nothing more than a sham, a lie, because they back Islam all the way.
They can 'read' what they want to in Islam's texts, just as they know that others will 'read' what *they* want to in Islam's texts. That's what happens in Christianity too - and this goes some way to explain why the Christian church here in the UK will keep getting called a bunch of lefties (as again, recently, with their haranguing letter to the Tory government about its treatment of the poor) while in other parts of the world the Church is aligned with the right wing parties and governments. Thus we have a church here that downplays the hell, fire and brimstone, and focuses on the 'god is love'. You can do that with a religion: you can adapt it to suit. And everybody *has* done that, throughout the ages.
As it happens, ISIS take *the most* violent reading of Islam's texts. It's a zillion miles from most readings. Islam here is adapted to suit the comfortable, peaceful and Western-industrialised lives of most Muslims. They don't want to rock that boat. Why on earth would they?
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ETA: where do you get the idea that I'm promoting it???
I think Islam is a cancer in the western world.... I really do.
There are a number of really fundamental points where western society and Islam clash and there can never be any grey area to compromise with because the two ideologies are a dichotomy at opposite ends of the spectrum.
I was talking about your own ideology, not that of Islam.
You're promoting an ideology that's based, amongst other things, on religious determinism - that what it says in a collection of religious texts describes the fundamental and most important things about how people are. Other aspects of culture, economics or politics are by implication trivial or even irrelevant in your ideology. A poor Muslim in Syria whose family has been killed by Assad will have the same outlook as a wealthy and middle class Muslim in the UK, or the rest of Europe or the USA - because they both adhere to the same reading of the same Islamic texts. That doesn't stand up to any serious analysis, FD.
And you also hold to an ideology that sees essential differences in cultures that are irreconcilable, despite the fact that globalisation, international trade, a neoliberal hegemony, the creation of a 'world culture', communications technologies (like the web), amongst many other things, mean that in huge numbers of ways we are all becoming more like each other, not less like each other. As an example, even ISIS, which deliberately sets itself up in opposition to everything they see as 'Western' (not to say 'modern') , nonetheless makes abundant use of the web and computer technology.
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