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ORIGINAL: joether
I get a chuckle at conservatives that bash Muslims and think they have a halo of goodness around their heads from terrorism. Sadly, every political ideology has its share of hellish shit done to good people. The more of the story, is not just to condemn those of different ideologies, but hold one's own ideologies as much accountable and responsible. That when the real psychotics kill and destroy things, that we, the good ones, help the victims heal and rebuild. We cook meals, we fetch water, and we help replant crops. We should that we are not like those evil doers; not just say we are not liking them.
Takes much in the way of bravery to do something, rather than just say something. That you bash these people in an immature way shows the limits of your abilities. So I decided to show the lameness of your post by using a terror event in US History.
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
You didn't see them rally round after the Charlie Hebdo attack did you?
You didn't see them (conservatives) rally around after the Oklahoma City Bombing did you?
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
You didn't see a general collaboration of Islamists protecting many other synagogue's did you?
You didn't see a general collaboration of conservatives protecting many other federal buildings did you?
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Out of 1.4 billion Muslims worldwide, there's a token of 1,000 surrounding one synagogue in Oslo.
Out of 30-35 million conservatives in the USA, there's a token of ZERO surrounding one federal building in Oklahoma.
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Not lots of them in major cities elsewhere - just one synagogue, in one city.
Not lots of them in major cities elsewhere - not even one federal building, in one city.
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
That's not any support of masses of Muslims offering symbolic support to the Jews - it's pure paranoia.
That's not any support of the masses of conservatives offering symbolic support to the Americas - it's pure paranoia.
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
It's far too little, far too late, and a token gesture joke.
It's far to little, far to late, and a token gesture joke.
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
As I've said several times across several threads, an awful lot of Islamics (of all types) actually support the ideology of what ISIS/AQ/BH et al is enacting.
Curious how many conservatives (particularly on this forum) have state quite an amount of hateful stuff towards the President, Democrats, and Liberals; and felt no need to be apologize. That many conservatives across the nation have come within a hair's width of open violence towards these people.
How many threads have been made by conservatives (much less noted by conservatives) about The Order, The Army of God, and The Aryan Nation? Or some of those Tea Party subgroups that have been borderline racists and law breakers? Dont see any threads from conservatives opposing these and other groups.....
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
We in the west see it as terrorism; but it is the fundamental bedrock of Islamic beliefs.
To say that most Muslims support terrorism is like saying most conservatives want firearms for the sole and only purpose of over-throwing the US Government and installing a conservative theocracy in its place.
And its not true...On either issue.
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
And to my mind, that is precisely why you don't see a general uprising of Islamics against the terrorist groups.
How many conservatives oppose the KKK? Or Neo Nazis? Or conservatives whom are just hateful and racist towards fellow Americans? Or doing all they can to keep firearms easy to obtain by individuals and organizations that push terror and crime?
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Because to do so would mean to repudiate/denounce certain fundamental aspects of their faith; and to do that openly invites death by their own kind.
Because if conservatives were to hold themselves to the same level of accountability and responsibility as they slam liberals and moderators. That they do the same towards conservative politicians as they do to the President and Democrats; this nation would be vastly improved.....overnight! But conservatives hate bad government; which is why they keep voting in the individuals that make it happen. Election after Election.
Great post joether. It details precisely the double standard those baying for Muslim blood use all the time, the impossible to satisfy demands they make of Muslims and Muslims alone, demands that can only be seen as laughably stupid if advanced in any other context, or applied to any other group
More problems with the claim that IS represents Islam are these questions:
If the violent extremism of IS is core-Islam as they claim, why is it that IS and similar groups are only found in some Muslims countries and not all Muslim countries?
If the violent extremism of IS is core-Islam as they claim, why is there no IS presence in the most populous Muslim countries - Indonesia and Bangla Desh?
If the violent extremism of IS is core-Islam as they claim, why are the most casualties of IS Muslims themselves and not Western 'infidels'?
If IS-type ideology is core-Islamic ideology as the bigots insist, then it is reasonable to expect that it is found in all Muslim countries. But IS type ideologies are not found in many Muslim countries, including the two most populous Muslim countries. They are found, in the main, in some of the Arab countries (Nigeria and Pakistan are the main non-Arab countries where IS-type ideologies are present. In both of these cases, IS-type ideologies are seen as violent extremists by the vast majority of the population and the Govt).
Precisely because IS-type ideologies are not found in every country in the Muslim world the claim that IS-type ideologies are core Islam, advanced repeatedly by bigots and the Right, must fail and does fail.
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