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mnottertail -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 12:14:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

so if I am reading you rightly, you would have conservative posters have to do what---hunt up the newspaper source from the town the story originates from?

its far too convenient to dismiss stories as not being credible simply because someone doesn't like their sources. it (seemingly but not really) absolves people from having to deal with the actual material of the post.


Or it allows shit breathers to make extraordinary claims without foundation, and allows them, rather than deal with actual factual reality, deal with the material of the hallucinatory post, which of course is what the debate in our country should be, hallucinatory paranoia, and whether or not someone makes 'tough' speeches without the actual doing of anything.

Cuz thats what makes America great.

So, you have tried severl non-sequiturs that have no basis in reality (credible sources do not report on small matters), maybe a conspiracy (rather than slobbering idiots), and so far have been demonstrated --- no, that's not it. But the only ideas here is how to defend the hallucination, rather than find credible citations that these are indeed true facts, and argue them. We require an assumption that they are accurate and true because some absolutely laughable shiteating blogger sites repeat them without any regard to evidence.

And no, you are not reading me rightly, on two accounts. I am a conservative, you are not, and neither are those 'conservative' sites. And it has nothing to do with hometown reporting.



subrob1967 -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 12:15:49 PM)

Is a fucking joke, and a plague on this country.



mnottertail -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 12:17:50 PM)

No shit. Yellow journalism and idiots always have been. Caught Germany more than once when people believed the horseshit.



Kirata -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 12:19:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

They are trying to make it criminal to teach, distribute, give lessons on 'harmful' books. The thing as written opens whatever anyone in their own opinion deems harmful by default criminal...

Bullshit. It applies only with regard to minors, only to material that "has a predominant tendency to appeal to prurient interest in sex to minors... is patently offensive to prevailing standards in the adult community with respect to what is suitable for minors... or lacks serious literary, scientific, educational, artistic or political value for minors," and it acknowledges parental consent as an affirmative defense.

K.




mnottertail -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 12:23:08 PM)

Yeah, sorry, been before the supreme court that one, and it is not even gonna work.

Who decides that? There is no standard, you can go look up the landmark obscenity cases, I aint gonna go over that ground again. What prevailing standards, give me the definition that we all have to live by under that law.

So, as I said, the story was more accurate than not.





Kirata -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 12:27:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, sorry, been before the supreme court that one, and it is not even gonna work.

Who decides that? There is no standard, you can go look up the landmark obscenity cases, I aint gonna go over that ground again. What prevailing standards, give me the definition that we all have to live by under that law.

I'm not defending the law, I'm objecting to the misrepresentation of it.

K.




mnottertail -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 12:32:27 PM)

You stand where you stand, and I stand here:

Absolutely no misrepresentation in that article, whatsoever.

But we are looking at the same actual text of the bill, and agree that is the fact of that.

An unusual but happy circumstance.



CreativeDominant -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 1:53:35 PM)

And back to progressive education:

From WFTV (an ABC affiliate...so NOT FOX)
http://m.wftv.com/news/news/local/controversial-islamic-history-lesson-hot-topic-sem/nkH3p/

Textbooks being considered for use:

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2014/09/15/proposed-texas-textbooks-are-full-of-progressive-bias-says-curriculum-accuracy-expert/



Kirata -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 2:01:03 PM)


~ FR ~

Returning to the theme of progressive education...

[image]http://www.campusreform.org/img/CROBlog/6319/GGC.jpg[/image]

From Feb., 25 to March 11, a giant golden clitoris sculpture will be on display in Sewanee’s library to promote feminist artist Sophia Wallace’s "CLITERACY" project... The giant golden clitoris is also a part of Wallace’s "clit rodeo," an event where participants can take turns riding a mechanical clit instead of a bull... "It's appalling and shocking to think that scientifically, the clitoris was only discovered in 1998," Wallace told The Huffington Post in 2013. ~Source

Note to Sophia Wallace: Discovery of the clitoris is credited to Matteo Realdo Columbo, professor of anatomy and surgery at the University of Padua, who documented the "seat of woman's delight" in his book De Re Anatomica, published in 1559.

Questions regarding funding went unanswered.

K.



mnottertail -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 2:04:28 PM)

Sarcasm is not only for the insightful, enlightened harangue of the political forums of collarspace.

There are some women might tell you that the clitoris has yet to be discovered by the 'anthropologists' they hang with.



Aylee -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 2:05:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


~ FR ~

Returning to the theme of progressive education...

[image]http://www.campusreform.org/img/CROBlog/6319/GGC.jpg[/image]

From Feb., 25 to March 11, a giant golden clitoris sculpture will be on display in Sewanee’s library to promote feminist artist Sophia Wallace’s "CLITERACY" project... "Wallace’s work reveals the 'phallic as neutral' bias in science, law, philosophy, politics, mainstream and even feminist discussion, and the art world... The giant golden clitoris is also a part of Wallace’s "clit rodeo," an event where participants can take turns riding a mechanical clit instead of a bull... "It's appalling and shocking to think that scientifically, the clitoris was only discovered in 1998," Wallace told The Huffington Post in 2013. ~Source

Note to Sophia Wallace: Discovery of the clitoris is credited to Matteo Realdo Columbo, professor of anatomy and surgery at the University of Padua, who documented the "seat of woman's delight" in his book De Re Anatomica, published in 1559.

Questions regarding funding went unanswered.

K.


Maybe that is when MEN discovered it. I think that women discovered it long before then. If only I had my copy of The Trotula with me.



bounty44 -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 2:12:55 PM)

since you are so otherwise dismissive and didn't answer my question about hometown newspapers, i wonder then if you would you do me and everyone else a favor, and define "credible" source?

I am curious too---exactly how is the independent journal review not a "credible" source?



Kirata -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 2:22:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Maybe that is when MEN discovered it...

Precisely. It was actually discovered long before by an ancestor of mine, who recognized the advantage this conferred upon his social life and wisely kept silent, passing the knowledge only to his sons, and they to their sons, until that big-mouth came along and ruined the gig.

K.




mnottertail -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 2:27:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

since you are so otherwise dismissive and didn't answer my question about hometown newspapers, i wonder then if you would you do me and everyone else a favor, and define "credible" source?





I answered you about hometown newspapers, learn to read, fuckstick (you want snark, you got it).

I don't know what you don't comprehend, but for the instant, let us assume you know what source means, then we will go with the credible:

Able to be believed; convincing: believable, plausible, tenable, able to hold water, conceivable, likely, probable, possible, feasible, reasonable, with a ring of truth, persuasive.

catch ahold of any of those words you understand.


ijreview with no provable facts, and their background, and their mission, and their history of spun asswipe, do not for most of us, meet any of the necessary and sufficient conditions to be defined as credible.



bounty44 -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 3:08:38 PM)

i do my best here to not get caught up in personal sniping...my questions to you were genuinely straight forward. calling me abusive names doesn't help.

if you answered about the newspapers, I obviously didn't see it. you could have answered again instead of being insulting.

all you did was give synonyms for "credible", that does not tell me, or anyone else what a credible source really is. by your definition then, anything you personally don't find "believable, plausible, reasonable, etc" isn't credible.

in terms of the ijreview article in particular---im not sure what "facts" they have to prove that you are talking about. they have a photo of the very homework in question. they quote the son, they quote the mother. they refer to the particular school the son went to. the eag link has the woman's name on it. the have the teacher's name on it. the woman also repeated her story to foxnews. do you think they are making it all up? it all seems very "believable" or "plausible" to me. how is it not? maybe you want a live streaming video of everything?

"its mission?" i saw a ranking that has ijr rated at the 16th most conservative website. odd then that a "conservative" would take issue with its mission. i can only surmise that its not "credible" since you are in disagreement with the political leanings of its articles.




bounty44 -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 3:32:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

And back to progressive education:

From WFTV (an ABC affiliate...so NOT FOX)
http://m.wftv.com/news/news/local/controversial-islamic-history-lesson-hot-topic-sem/nkH3p/

Textbooks being considered for use:

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2014/09/15/proposed-texas-textbooks-are-full-of-progressive-bias-says-curriculum-accuracy-expert/


in reference to the breitbart link....

and those were only history texts in one state. so a couple of things come to mind. how many other states are/might be experiencing the same problem.

and it makes me wonder too---what they are reading in English classes....



Zonie63 -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 5:25:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

But the overall issue is immigration. When you say that the issue is "illegal aliens," all you're really talking about is a piece of paper. The aforementioned political cartoon contained the phrase "path to citizenship," which involves changing that all important piece of paper to make "illegal" into "legal." But these are just legal technicalities, but once that's out of the way, then the underlying issue is still immigration. That's what the argument is about. That's why it's such a hot button issue. Pretending that the issue is just about not filling out their paperwork properly won't fly with me.


And the only difference between a citizen and a non-citizen is a piece of paper,


True enough.

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and the difference between being acquitted and convicted is a piece of paper,


Not precisely, since being acquitted or convicted would be the result of evidence and a trial which presumably exist independent of and before the piece of paper was actually written.

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the difference between a prescription and abuse of pain killers is a piece of paper,


This is false, since abuse of pain killers could happen just as easily with a prescription. Drug abuse is a psychological/physiological condition which can occur independent of any piece of paper. It's the drug itself that's relevant, not the piece of paper.

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the difference between legal concealed carry and illegal concealed carry is, you got it , a piece of paper.


Yes, but who would care about the piece of paper if it wasn't referring to a gun? What would be the major issue in this example? The piece of paper or the actual gun?

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So do we pretend that all those are the same because the only difference is a piece of paper? Of course the problem is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, to pretend otherwise is to ignore reality.


The issue raised by the political cartoon in the OP had to do with the laws related to immigration and citizenship. So, it would seem that you agree with me that the hot button issue at hand is immigration, which is what the piece of paper in question relates to.



BamaD -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 6:15:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

But the overall issue is immigration. When you say that the issue is "illegal aliens," all you're really talking about is a piece of paper. The aforementioned political cartoon contained the phrase "path to citizenship," which involves changing that all important piece of paper to make "illegal" into "legal." But these are just legal technicalities, but once that's out of the way, then the underlying issue is still immigration. That's what the argument is about. That's why it's such a hot button issue. Pretending that the issue is just about not filling out their paperwork properly won't fly with me.


And the only difference between a citizen and a non-citizen is a piece of paper,


True enough.

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and the difference between being acquitted and convicted is a piece of paper,


Not precisely, since being acquitted or convicted would be the result of evidence and a trial which presumably exist independent of and before the piece of paper was actually written.

quote:


the difference between a prescription and abuse of pain killers is a piece of paper,


This is false, since abuse of pain killers could happen just as easily with a prescription. Drug abuse is a psychological/physiological condition which can occur independent of any piece of paper. It's the drug itself that's relevant, not the piece of paper.

quote:


the difference between legal concealed carry and illegal concealed carry is, you got it , a piece of paper.


Yes, but who would care about the piece of paper if it wasn't referring to a gun? What would be the major issue in this example? The piece of paper or the actual gun?

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So do we pretend that all those are the same because the only difference is a piece of paper? Of course the problem is ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, to pretend otherwise is to ignore reality.


The issue raised by the political cartoon in the OP had to do with the laws related to immigration and citizenship. So, it would seem that you agree with me that the hot button issue at hand is immigration, which is what the piece of paper in question relates to.


You really don't get it do you.
In each case there are legal actions preceding the mere piece of paper.
You know like going through proper channels to come into the country.
And the cartoon was, though you clearly don't get it, about Obama trying to let illegals become citizens without going through the proper channels. Don't you think this is grossly unfair to those who are trying to do it the right way?



BamaD -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 6:17:20 PM)

Zonei

This is false, since abuse of pain killers could happen just as easily with a prescription. Drug abuse is a psychological/physiological condition which can occur independent of any piece of paper. It's the drug itself that's relevant, not the piece of paper.

Except that one way you go to jail, the other you don't.



BamaD -> RE: Progressive Education (2/25/2015 6:18:48 PM)

Yes, but who would care about the piece of paper if it wasn't referring to a gun? What would be the major issue in this example? The piece of paper or the actual gun?


Again the real difference is that with one you go to jail with the other you don't.



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