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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 2/28/2015 6:14:07 AM   
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Yo Moderators, ifs its 'OK' for the conservatives to attack and insult, its open season for everyone else. Start holding them strictly accountable. That way, the rest of us, that do not misbehave are rewarded for our efforts.




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Get back to me when you have the results of that survey.

Oh, I'm sorry, were you on Mars, underground, with a blanket over your head for last half dozen months? Here on planet Earth, and more specifically the United States of America, we got to witness what happens when police have a lack of 'good will' with the community they operate in. Since there were many people demanding better things from their local law enforcement. Had the police force been more in-tune to the needs and wants of the community, could things have been adverted or at least, minimized?
That you cant understand this, shows the limits of your educational level....


That isn't "misbehaving?" LMFAO!!!

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You can stop any time you want, Joether. We all know you're just a partisan dumbass. You don't have to keep proving it every time you write a post.

Is that you best shot, DS? Calling me a 'partisan-dumbass'? Come on DS, grow the fuck up! Either be an adult or go hangout on Stormfront!


If the shoe fits, Joether, you may as well wear it.

I've never spent any appreciable amount of time on Stormfront (I can't say, for sure, if I've ever been on their site or not, either). Your posts are condescending and derogatory towards those who don't agree with you.

I think you need to "grow up," Joether.

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The LEO in the article has participated in the protection of the people he disagrees with.

You didnt really...READ...to understand the problem. This sentence of yours....CLEARLY....shows that. So let me inform you of the facts you missed:
1 ) The officer had been with the parade in the past as part of a security detail. Making sure the people went from point 'A' to point 'B' safely.
2 ) Had not....DIRECTLY....participated in the parade.
Before you slam someone, try to get the fucking facts straight!


Perhaps you need to read, and understand what I wrote. You even supported what I said in your #1. Participating "in the protection" of parade goes does not mean he participated in the parade.

Interestingly enough, he didn't want to participate in the parade itself, but tried to swap assignments to run traffic control and to close streets for pedestrians, during the parade. When that was denied, he even told his supervisor that he would be ready for practice and to participate in the parade. He didn't get the chance.

You might want to start taking your own advice.

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Being in a parade isn't doing anything to protect those people, really.

I like you to go tell that to the men and women of the Boston Police force that were there the bombs exploded at the finish line for the Boston Marathon a few years ago. Or the people on the streets. I think they will tell you to take your head and 'shove it where the sun don't shine!' Since both groups had people running in the race that day.
Police in a parade or with a parade are actively protecting people. Just because their gun isn't drawn as they move from cover to cover, down the street....DOESN'T.....mean they are not protecting people. I've been in hundreds of parades, organized a few of them. The police are always professional even when everyone else is being festive. I've no doubt they had a few plain cloths cops in the crowds keeping people safe.
Do you actually get out of your house and go to parades?


LMFAO!!! The Boston Marathon isn't a parade. Did the police have to run the Boston Marathon to protect the people? I didn't think so.

Those LEO's that are participating in the parade are there to entertain for the parade-watchers. Those LEO's that aren't participating in the parade are there to serve and protect.

Call Alex Trebek and see if you can buy a clue instead of a vowel.

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If he tried to swap assignments to one of a LEO being on patrol during the parade, shows that he sees a big difference between being in a parade and protecting the citizens during that parade. That's also why I wondered what assignment he was trying to get.

He tried swapping assignments and failed. That is were he bucks up and does his duty. To be a professional means to handle the ugly with the bad. That there are jobs one does not like to do for a variety of reasons. But they do them to show they are a few steps above the hourly workers. That I suspect he couldn't keep his religious views in check (i.e. be professional), cost him quite a bit in credibility to his superiors.
There have been many instances in which the KKK have demanded to have a rally in a public venue. I'm sure there were plenty of officers that didnt like having to escort them to and from safely. But that is the nature of the job, DS. To be a professional police officer.


And, according to the article, he told his supervisor that he would be ready for practice and to participate in the parade, that is, "buck up and do his duty." But, he was suspended before he could do that.

Participating in a parade, and protecting rallies that aren't popular (like the KKK, or Neo-Nazi's) aren't even close to being the same thing. I don't hold any grudge for the police and rescue workers doing their duties during wildly unpopular events. I can't say that for all Toledoans, though.

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You have been a professional person in your day job, right? If you have, I would expect you to understand this. And without all the child-like insults with it!


Like I said, Joether, you can stop proving my point any time you want.

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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 2/28/2015 8:22:05 AM   
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The website for the Motorcycle Squad notes, "The squad works many special events during the year, including parades, funerals, sporting events, runs, and more. The squad is mostly known for its precision riding during the 24th of July parade, which is attended by thousands of community members."

http://slcpd.com/inside-the-department/special-operations-division/

July 24th, I learned, is when Utahns celebrate Pioneer Day, commemorating the arrival of Brigham Young and the first wave of Mormon settlers. I what would happen if a squad member asked to be excused from the 7/24 parade because s/he didn't wish to be seen as supporting Mormonism.

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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 2/28/2015 10:09:57 AM   
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I what would happen if a squad member asked to be excused from the 7/24 parade because s/he didn't wish to be seen as supporting Mormonism.

Suppose the officer was an atheist who didn't care to participate in celebrating the establishment of Mormonism in Utah?

K.

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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 2/28/2015 10:18:22 AM   
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I took that same test from the same site as you did. I simply took 'disagree' to every question. Indiscriminately of how I might normally answered the question. Guess what I got? "left leaning libertarian". Which makes me think you didnt put to much thought into your answers.

And if you answer "agree" to all the questions, your score will fall to about the same degree in the opposite quadrant. But neither observation supports the conclusion you've drawn, which seems to be a characteristic of most your conclusions.

K.

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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 2/28/2015 10:27:21 AM   
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I what would happen if a squad member asked to be excused from the 7/24 parade because s/he didn't wish to be seen as supporting Mormonism.

Suppose the officer was an atheist who didn't care to participate in celebrating the establishment of Mormonism in Utah?

K.


That was one of the possibilities I was wondering about.

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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 2/28/2015 10:35:53 AM   
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kirata, I took that test you and joether are talking about...I think it placed me pretty much where it should have, but I find I like this one a lot better:

https://www.nolanchart.com/survey-php

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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 2/28/2015 11:02:51 AM   
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kirata, I took that test you and joether are talking about...I think it placed me pretty much where it should have, but I find I like this one a lot better:

https://www.nolanchart.com/survey-php

Never saw that one before, thanks, but it scores me the same as the others.

K.

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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 2/28/2015 11:03:05 AM   
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I'll buy that for a dollar!






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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 2/28/2015 12:16:10 PM   
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this was mine...normally im lot closer to the libertarian/conservative border...




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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 2/28/2015 12:18:40 PM   
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More and more, I'm solidifying my belief that you, CreativeDominant and I were raised by the same people and just don't remember each other



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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 2/28/2015 12:28:26 PM   
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laughs...ive been reading too much stossel and listening to rand paul!

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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 2/28/2015 4:56:42 PM   
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More and more, I'm solidifying my belief that you, CreativeDominant and I were raised by the same people and just don't remember each other



Michael


I want my share of the damn inheritance then!

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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 2/28/2015 6:47:09 PM   
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kirata, I took that test you and joether are talking about...I think it placed me pretty much where it should have, but I find I like this one a lot better:

https://www.nolanchart.com/survey-php




I got this. Although a couple of their answers did not exactly match what my answers would be.

We shall see if this works.






ETA: No yellow star, DRAT! (Guess I am not Juden enough for it.) Mine was about in the same place as DaddySatyr.

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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 2/28/2015 6:57:20 PM   
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kirata, I took that test you and joether are talking about...I think it placed me pretty much where it should have, but I find I like this one a lot better:
https://www.nolanchart.com/survey-php

I got this. Although a couple of their answers did not exactly match what my answers would be.
We shall see if this works.


ETA: No yellow star, DRAT! (Guess I am not Juden enough for it.) Mine was about in the same place as DaddySatyr.


I couldn't get it to copy, so I didn't post it. My yellow star was almost all the way on the edge, directly above the 'n' in Libertarian. No surprise to me.

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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 2/28/2015 8:30:02 PM   
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Hatred? Where the fuck do you get that? Given the story, the officer's superiors decided to bench him. I'm guessing they had a long chat with the police officer in question and determined things were not likely to work out for everyone. That the officer could not be professional is his problem. Which is puzzling since most police officers in New England work hard to remain professional on the job.

Lecturing 'Tolerance'? You failed at 'consideration for your fellow human', Aylee. The class on 'Tolerance' comes afterward. Do you have a problem with professional people, too?



You have said about this officer:

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"The officer in question was being intolerant and discriminating. Two things that this nation have seen usually leads to bad things. Or have you not been paying attention to reality for the last year? Of course you have been. You even posted on the threads about both of them. The management of the police would be quite correct in relieving the officer of his duties for the moment. If the officer is dumb enough to speak out, that could have further problems for his career."

"What kind of individuals have problems with gay people, DS? Come on, its not to hard to figure this one out.

If the person has problems with gay people, what happens on a call that 'Goes South' with that officer involved? The police force will all be getting one sandwich to eat for the next several months: a shit sandwich! Or have you already forgotten Ferguson? "

" That I suspect he couldn't keep his religious views in check (i.e. be professional), cost him quite a bit in credibility to his superiors. "


I would consider that quite hateful. Especially considering the only thing this guy did was ask to switch parade positions. Instead of participating int the parade by doing motorcycle tricks down the street, he preferred to direct traffic or people. When that was denied he was still willing to be part of the motorcycle group.


I will also state that you cannot "protect and serve" or "enforce laws" while doing choreographed motorcycle tricks down the street and not running people over.

This officer is the poster child for being tolerant. He is focused on protecting those he disagrees with. People that he is uncomfortable with their lifestyles/views/whatever. He treats them the same and enforces the laws the same.

You get no points for tolerance when it is something that makes no difference to you. You can only be tolerant of stuff that you do not like.

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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 2/28/2015 11:23:58 PM   
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I want my share of the damn inheritance then!



Well, Grandma always wanted me to go to an Ivy league School so, your share is going to be ¼ (Look down) of two years at Princeton ... with room and board that's $78,000.00. I'll need it by Fall '17. Thanks

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ETA: No yellow star, DRAT! (Guess I am not Juden enough for it.) Mine was about in the same place as DaddySatyr.



I think CD needs to talk to you about where to send his tuition payment.



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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 3/1/2015 7:58:42 AM   
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kirata, I took that test you and joether are talking about...I think it placed me pretty much where it should have, but I find I like this one a lot better:

https://www.nolanchart.com/survey-php




Interesting...

Where You Scored On The Survey
Your answers suggest that you are a centrist. The yellow star shows generally where you fall within the centrist region of the Nolan Chart.

Now you can tell your friends, "I'm a centrist."

Sorry but that just doesn't flow off the tongue well.

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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 3/1/2015 11:28:20 AM   
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if we are still here talking during the primary season, should we ask if you voted for jeb bush? smiles...

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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 3/1/2015 11:50:45 AM   
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I think CD needs to talk to you about where to send his tuition payment.



Michael[/color]


Well, I had best be getting baby pressies from you all then if you are to be honorary uncle's by ideology. Receiving blankies. Send many!

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RE: Homophobiaphobia - 3/1/2015 11:34:07 PM   
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I want my share of the damn inheritance then!



Well, Grandma always wanted me to go to an Ivy league School so, your share is going to be ¼ (Look down) of two years at Princeton ... with room and board that's $78,000.00. I'll need it by Fall '17. Thanks

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

ETA: No yellow star, DRAT! (Guess I am not Juden enough for it.) Mine was about in the same place as DaddySatyr.



I think CD needs to talk to you about where to send his tuition payment.


Michael

ummmmmmmm...I'll get to work on that

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