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tweakabelle -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/2/2015 8:48:25 AM)
quote: Zonie63 I've noticed that you keep using the word "reality" as if you believe that your understanding and perception of "reality" is superior to that of everyone else. But if one's perception of "reality" keeps switching back and forth from "grave threat" to "a nest of cockroaches," then one might find reason to question such a perception of "reality." Investigating the nature of Sanity's 'reality' is something that might best be left to mental health professionals. The only thing I know for sure that his perception of his reality is very different to my perception of mine.

Sanity -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/2/2015 9:18:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Scared? Afraid? One mustnt "fear" cockroaches (for example) to loathe them and exterminate them. Its more like proper hygiene So, the world is "more dangerous than it has ever been" and we're on the verge of "opening up the gates of hell to spill out on to the world" because of...cockroaches? quote: And Obamas community organizer approach to ISIS is bizarre, it is as if he has left this reality for a much friendlier funny farm reality I've noticed that you keep using the word "reality" as if you believe that your understanding and perception of "reality" is superior to that of everyone else. But if one's perception of "reality" keeps switching back and forth from "grave threat" to "a nest of cockroaches," then one might find reason to question such a perception of "reality." Given the dog shit for leaders and ideology that you find yourself trying to defend, it is totally understandable that you feel you are forced to lower yourself to these trollish, off topic personal attack derails and your feeble straw man fallacies out of complete desperation Tell you what You are welcome to come on over to the bright side, where you can use logic and reason in these debates instead We've got cookies

CreativeDominant -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/2/2015 9:37:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant We heard from Obama administration officials and even the President himself that terrorism has something to do with lack of opportunities and poverty. Obama said that "we have to address grievances terrorists exploit, including economic grievances." He said, "when millions of people -- especially youth -- are impoverished and have no hope for the future, when corruption inflicts daily humiliations on people, when there are no outlets by which people can express their concerns, resentments fester. The risk of instability and extremism grow. Where young people have no education, they are more vulnerable to conspiracy theories and radical ideas..." http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/19/opinion/bergen-terrorism-root-causes/ . I am unable to discern why your are making some kind of issue about these quotes from Obama. While you don't specify why you find the quotes objectionable, the tone of your post makes it pretty clear that you do find them objectionable. Yet, these quotes seem to me to pretty close to common sense. It's no secret that terrorism doesn't occur in a vacuum, that there are socio-political/material reasons (including, to mention just a few, foreign military occupation, lack of employment or economic prospects, poor education, failures of the local political system etc.) that underpin the appeal and growth of terrorism. Obama mentions a few of the possible causes of terrorism, but is making no attempt to list them all, there is no attempt at a definitive and thorough analysis. So I would appreciate it if you could outline for me your reasons for objecting/disagreeing with Obama's statements on this question Yes , I do find them nonsensical. As much as I do Marie Hard and her statements... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2957350/State-Department-says-win-war-against-ISIS-killing-Obama-administration-avoids-mention-Christian-beheading-victims-religion-launches-new-hashtag-diplomacy-effort.html

tweakabelle -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/2/2015 10:52:25 AM)
I was interested in finding out the reasons that led to you finding Obama's statements "nonsensical", not seeing a rehash of your opinion. Would you care to list the reasons you have reached the conclusions you reached?

CreativeDominant -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/2/2015 4:26:39 PM)
Sure. In delving to the one you chose to challenge: Many, if not most, of the Islamic terrorist leaders have money. Osama Bin Laden had money and contacys, Jihadi John comes from an upper middle class background, Ayman al Zawahiri is a surgeon who comes from a wealthy, prominent family. In the case of ISIS terrorists, if its estimated 31,500 members weren’t well off to start, they certainly could be now if ISIS were to divvy up its massive $2 billion and growing wealth–a sum that makes it the world’s richest terrorist group. That works out to $63,492 per ISIS terrorist–an amount well above U.S. median income. As even the U.S. Treasury Department notes, ISIS makes about $1 million a day off just its black market oil sales. http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/02/21/isis-is-massively-wealthy-despite-obamas-contention-poverty-the-cause-of-terrorism/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesinternational/2014/12/12/the-worlds-10-richest-terrorist-organizations/ Disaffected youth? Do you really think if we'd stepped in before World War II, before Hitler rose to his greatest prominence, and offered the German people jobs, they would not have followed the little, mustachioed man that promised them glory? A return to German might? A return to a German position of significance in the world? A return to a Germany without the problem of the Juden? No more than these young people. And why should we be responsible for creating jobs for them anyway? Our leaders catch enough grief for not somehow miraculously doing that now.

DesideriScuri -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/2/2015 4:46:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant In the case of ISIS terrorists, if its estimated 31,500 members weren’t well off to start, they certainly could be now if ISIS were to divvy up its massive $2 billion and growing wealth–a sum that makes it the world’s richest terrorist group. That works out to $63,492 per ISIS terrorist–an amount well above U.S. median income. Don't confound the argument with comparing a one-time wealth redistribution with an average annual income. Unless ISIS is going to bring in $2B a year and continually redistribute it, the two numbers aren't really comparable. And, just because ISIS has billions doesn't mean their "minions" and recruits are wealthy.

Zonie63 -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/2/2015 6:21:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Scared? Afraid? One mustnt "fear" cockroaches (for example) to loathe them and exterminate them. Its more like proper hygiene So, the world is "more dangerous than it has ever been" and we're on the verge of "opening up the gates of hell to spill out on to the world" because of...cockroaches? quote: And Obamas community organizer approach to ISIS is bizarre, it is as if he has left this reality for a much friendlier funny farm reality I've noticed that you keep using the word "reality" as if you believe that your understanding and perception of "reality" is superior to that of everyone else. But if one's perception of "reality" keeps switching back and forth from "grave threat" to "a nest of cockroaches," then one might find reason to question such a perception of "reality." Given the dog shit for leaders and ideology that you find yourself trying to defend, I'm not trying to defend anyone. I was just addressing the point about the world being "more dangerous" now than it was 20-30 years ago or that failure to defeat ISIS “will open the gates of hell to spill out on the world." These are the kinds of statements, leaders and ideology that you're trying to defend, and that's what I would question. quote: it is totally understandable that you feel you are forced to lower yourself to these trollish, off topic personal attack derails and your feeble straw man fallacies out of complete desperation Considering that I've asked you similar questions in the past and outlined my position in depth (with posts far longer than you've shown capable of writing), your charges here against me are totally unfounded and more an example of the pot calling the kettle black. quote: Tell you what You are welcome to come on over to the bright side, where you can use logic and reason in these debates instead I've tried in the past, but obviously, you've had no answers to most of my posts. Failure to answer an argument constitutes either concession or agreement. If you can't explain yourself or outline your position in depth (hint: that means writing more than simple sound bites), then don't. But it sure takes a lot of damn gall to refuse to answer pointed arguments and questions while accusing others of trolling and claiming to hold a better understanding of "reality" than others. I'll grant that you're ballsy and can make a loud noise, but those qualities do not make for intelligent arguments.

MrRodgers -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/2/2015 7:32:11 PM)
First of all, fear is a great profit center...see neocons and their wars. Second, more Americans in the US die from peanut poisoning then from terrorism. Third...this...Here

vincentML -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/3/2015 8:39:57 AM)
quote: President GW Bush went into Iraq, going after WMD's that weren't there, and as punishment for helping al Qaeda (which was also not found to be correct). He didn't do it strictly under the auspices of an imminent threat to US national security, though. Disagree. The invasion of Iraq was sold to us as an imminent threat of a mushroom cloud over our cities by Dick Cheney and Condie Rice.. Propaganda and misinformation from our politicians and news media sources contribute mightily to our endless wars. quote: I'm all for withdrawing our troops, and getting them further from harm's way than they are now. Some (or much) of the mess in the ME is due to our "intervention" in those nations. I'm all for having Israel's back when they're attacked, but, other than that, I'm all for ending the merry go round and leaving the rest of the ME alone to let them figure it out. I would say "most" of the turmoil in the ME is due to our interventions and due to Israel's occupation of the West Bank, needless to mention the 700,000 Palestinians who were driven from their homes and whose homes were subsequently looted by the Haganah. Having Israel's back? Why? It is a misconception to call Israel our ally. They have done nothing to help the United States. And, in fact owe us still for the mortal attack on the USS Liberty. At best, Israel is our protectorate, for debatable moral reasons, not strategic reasons.

vincentML -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/3/2015 8:59:28 AM)
quote: “I can no more disown (Jeremiah Wright) than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.” If I recall correctly, the Rev. Jesse Jackson once expressed the same sentiment about black youths walking on his side of the street. As far as Jeremiah Wright is concerned, one has to understand the discontent of black Americans to understand his liberation theology. However, his ideology was swept away in the tsunamis of outraged sound bites that followed the revelation of his strident comment: "God damn the United States." No worse than the ancient Prophets of Israel who called on god to damn that nation for its sinfulness.

vincentML -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/3/2015 9:03:17 AM)
quote: Scared? Afraid? One mustnt "fear" cockroaches (for example) to loathe them and exterminate them. Its more like proper hygiene To compare other humans as cockroaches to be exterminated is a throwback to Nazi Germany. Were those the good old days, hey?

vincentML -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/3/2015 9:12:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers First of all, fear is a great profit center...see neocons and their wars. Second, more Americans in the US die from peanut poisoning then from terrorism.[/] Third...this...Here Peanut consumption associated with decreased total mortality and mortality from cardiovascular diseases

Sanity -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/3/2015 10:11:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Scared? Afraid? One mustnt "fear" cockroaches (for example) to loathe them and exterminate them. Its more like proper hygiene To compare other humans as cockroaches to be exterminated is a throwback to Nazi Germany. Were those the good old days, hey? Comparing ISIS to cockroaches doesnt make me a "Nazi" any more than your defending them... Umm... Wait... Never mind.

Kirata -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/3/2015 10:25:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML As far as Jeremiah Wright is concerned, one has to understand the discontent of black Americans to understand his liberation theology. Black Liberation Theology is racist crap, Marxist victimology in a different clown suit... The false Christianity of the white-devil oppressor must be replaced... ~James H. Cone K.

DesideriScuri -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/3/2015 5:49:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: President GW Bush went into Iraq, going after WMD's that weren't there, and as punishment for helping al Qaeda (which was also not found to be correct). He didn't do it strictly under the auspices of an imminent threat to US national security, though. Disagree. The invasion of Iraq was sold to us as an imminent threat of a mushroom cloud over our cities by Dick Cheney and Condie Rice.. Propaganda and misinformation from our politicians and news media sources contribute mightily to our endless wars. Nukes were but one WMD that Saddam was supposed to be developing. I don't recall if it was claimed that he already had nukes, or was going about enriching to get nukes. Did Saddam have delivery capability to hit the US from Iraq? quote: quote: I'm all for withdrawing our troops, and getting them further from harm's way than they are now. Some (or much) of the mess in the ME is due to our "intervention" in those nations. I'm all for having Israel's back when they're attacked, but, other than that, I'm all for ending the merry go round and leaving the rest of the ME alone to let them figure it out. I would say "most" of the turmoil in the ME is due to our interventions and due to Israel's occupation of the West Bank, needless to mention the 700,000 Palestinians who were driven from their homes and whose homes were subsequently looted by the Haganah. Having Israel's back? Why? It is a misconception to call Israel our ally. They have done nothing to help the United States. And, in fact owe us still for the mortal attack on the USS Liberty. At best, Israel is our protectorate, for debatable moral reasons, not strategic reasons. It's not a strategic reason for me, either. I'm a Christian, so that's where "protecting Israel" comes from. And, yes, that's pretty much the only reason I have for it. Why is Israel still there? Much of that has to do with us backing them, doesn't it? Why is Iran run by the Ayatollah's? We did that. The cluster that is Iraq, has much to do with us (though it would still be fucked up had we not taken out Saddam). Current state of Afghanistan? Al Qaeda? The Taliban? Yep, we were involved in that. Libya? Again, we had a big hand in that. A lot of the shit that is going on in the ME, we've had our hands in. I think we should get out of that sandbox and stop fucking with them.

JennyDevine -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/4/2015 12:14:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers First of all, fear is a great profit center...see neocons and their wars. Second, more Americans in the US die from peanut poisoning then from terrorism.[/] Third...this...Here Peanut consumption associated with decreased total mortality and mortality from cardiovascular diseases Well some people are allergic.

thishereboi -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/4/2015 4:30:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers First of all, fear is a great profit center...see neocons and their wars. Second, more Americans in the US die from peanut poisoning then from terrorism. Third...this...Here Well I have to agree they do like to try and scare us into shit. In fact I just got this in the mail trying to scare me into sending them some money.... "Dear MoveOn member, If we're going to avoid another U.S. war in the Middle East, this is a moment of truth. Today, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu addressed a joint session of Congress at the invitation of House Speaker John Boehner.1 As expected, Netanyahu denounced the Obama administration's nuclear negotiations with Iran—providing fodder for war hawks who've already been organizing in the Senate.2 Now, Democrats in the Senate hold the cards. If they sign onto anti-diplomacy bills that have been introduced in the last few weeks, we'll be on a slippery slope to war with Iran. On the other hand, if grassroots pressure helps keep Democrats from folding to the hawks, the Obama administration can continue to pursue peace. It's up to us to make our voices heard. So we're launching an emergency drive to ramp up the pressure on Senate Democrats—to make sure they don't cave in to the intense pressure being applied by war hawks in the wake of Netanyahu's speech. Will you chip in $3 to help prevent another open-ended U.S. war in the Middle East? "

vincentML -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/4/2015 6:10:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JennyDevine quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers First of all, fear is a great profit center...see neocons and their wars. Second, more Americans in the US die from peanut poisoning then from terrorism.[/] Third...this...Here Peanut consumption associated with decreased total mortality and mortality from cardiovascular diseases Well some people are allergic. You missed the irony, Jenny.

vincentML -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/4/2015 6:22:14 AM)
quote: Nukes were but one WMD that Saddam was supposed to be developing. I don't recall if it was claimed that he already had nukes, or was going about enriching to get nukes. Did Saddam have delivery capability to hit the US from Iraq? It was all very vague but LOUD. The claim he was buying yellowcake was proven false if you recall. Then there was the absurd rumor he could fly them over with kites!!!!! In any event Cheney and Rice felt free to solemnly warn us about mushroom clouds. Then there was all that hoopla about poison gas. We had some cases of anthrax deaths. quote: It's not a strategic reason for me, either. I'm a Christian, so that's where "protecting Israel" comes from. And, yes, that's pretty much the only reason I have for it. Very ironic considering it was Christianity which tormented Jews for 2000 years. Have you ever read Martin Luther on Jews? Prior to the establishment of the Israeli state Jews were pretty well tolerated, even welcomed in Islamic states. quote: A lot of the shit that is going on in the ME, we've had our hands in. I think we should get out of that sandbox and stop fucking with them. Yup!!!!

vincentML -> RE: ARE YOU SCARED, BOOBY? (3/4/2015 6:26:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML As far as Jeremiah Wright is concerned, one has to understand the discontent of black Americans to understand his liberation theology. Black Liberation Theology is racist crap, Marxist victimology in a different clown suit... The false Christianity of the white-devil oppressor must be replaced... ~James H. Cone K. I would not doubt there is some strains of Marxism in Black Liberation Theology as there is in Christian Liberation Theology that appealed particularly to Latin Americans. However, that does not erase the history of people of color being oppressed and enslaved by white Europeans.

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