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I've noticed that you keep using the word "reality" as if you believe that your understanding and perception of "reality" is superior to that of everyone else. But if one's perception of "reality" keeps switching back and forth from "grave threat" to "a nest of cockroaches," then one might find reason to question such a perception of "reality."

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Scared? Afraid? One mustnt "fear" cockroaches (for example) to loathe them and exterminate them. Its more like proper hygiene

So, the world is "more dangerous than it has ever been" and we're on the verge of "opening up the gates of hell to spill out on to the world" because of...cockroaches?

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And Obamas community organizer approach to ISIS is bizarre, it is as if he has left this reality for a much friendlier funny farm reality

I've noticed that you keep using the word "reality" as if you believe that your understanding and perception of "reality" is superior to that of everyone else. But if one's perception of "reality" keeps switching back and forth from "grave threat" to "a nest of cockroaches," then one might find reason to question such a perception of "reality."

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We heard from Obama administration officials and even the President himself that terrorism has something to do with lack of opportunities and poverty. Obama said that "we have to address grievances terrorists exploit, including economic grievances."

He said, "when millions of people -- especially youth -- are impoverished and have no hope for the future, when corruption inflicts daily humiliations on people, when there are no outlets by which people can express their concerns, resentments fester. The risk of instability and extremism grow. Where young people have no education, they are more vulnerable to conspiracy theories and radical ideas..."
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/19/opinion/bergen-terrorism-root-causes/

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I am unable to discern why your are making some kind of issue about these quotes from Obama. While you don't specify why you find the quotes objectionable, the tone of your post makes it pretty clear that you do find them objectionable. Yet, these quotes seem to me to pretty close to common sense.

It's no secret that terrorism doesn't occur in a vacuum, that there are socio-political/material reasons (including, to mention just a few, foreign military occupation, lack of employment or economic prospects, poor education, failures of the local political system etc.) that underpin the appeal and growth of terrorism. Obama mentions a few of the possible causes of terrorism, but is making no attempt to list them all, there is no attempt at a definitive and thorough analysis. So I would appreciate it if you could outline for me your reasons for objecting/disagreeing with Obama's statements on this question

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In the case of ISIS terrorists, if its estimated 31,500 members weren’t well off to start, they certainly could be now if ISIS were to divvy up its massive $2 billion and growing wealth–a sum that makes it the world’s richest terrorist group. That works out to $63,492 per ISIS terrorist–an amount well above U.S. median income.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Scared? Afraid? One mustnt "fear" cockroaches (for example) to loathe them and exterminate them. Its more like proper hygiene

So, the world is "more dangerous than it has ever been" and we're on the verge of "opening up the gates of hell to spill out on to the world" because of...cockroaches?

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And Obamas community organizer approach to ISIS is bizarre, it is as if he has left this reality for a much friendlier funny farm reality

I've noticed that you keep using the word "reality" as if you believe that your understanding and perception of "reality" is superior to that of everyone else. But if one's perception of "reality" keeps switching back and forth from "grave threat" to "a nest of cockroaches," then one might find reason to question such a perception of "reality."

Given the dog shit for leaders and ideology that you find yourself trying to defend,

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it is totally understandable that you feel you are forced to lower yourself to these trollish, off topic personal attack derails and your feeble straw man fallacies out of complete desperation

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Tell you what

You are welcome to come on over to the bright side, where you can use logic and reason in these debates instead

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President GW Bush went into Iraq, going after WMD's that weren't there, and as punishment for helping al Qaeda (which was also not found to be correct). He didn't do it strictly under the auspices of an imminent threat to US national security, though.

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I'm all for withdrawing our troops, and getting them further from harm's way than they are now. Some (or much) of the mess in the ME is due to our "intervention" in those nations. I'm all for having Israel's back when they're attacked, but, other than that, I'm all for ending the merry go round and leaving the rest of the ME alone to let them figure it out.

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“I can no more disown (Jeremiah Wright) than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.”

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Scared? Afraid? One mustnt "fear" cockroaches (for example) to loathe them and exterminate them. Its more like proper hygiene

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First of all, fear is a great profit center...see neocons and their wars.

Second, more Americans in the US die from peanut poisoning then from terrorism.[/]

Third...this...Here

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Scared? Afraid? One mustnt "fear" cockroaches (for example) to loathe them and exterminate them. Its more like proper hygiene

To compare other humans as cockroaches to be exterminated is a throwback to Nazi Germany. Were those the good old days, hey?

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President GW Bush went into Iraq, going after WMD's that weren't there, and as punishment for helping al Qaeda (which was also not found to be correct). He didn't do it strictly under the auspices of an imminent threat to US national security, though.

Disagree. The invasion of Iraq was sold to us as an imminent threat of a mushroom cloud over our cities by Dick Cheney and Condie Rice.. Propaganda and misinformation from our politicians and news media sources contribute mightily to our endless wars.

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I'm all for withdrawing our troops, and getting them further from harm's way than they are now. Some (or much) of the mess in the ME is due to our "intervention" in those nations. I'm all for having Israel's back when they're attacked, but, other than that, I'm all for ending the merry go round and leaving the rest of the ME alone to let them figure it out.

I would say "most" of the turmoil in the ME is due to our interventions and due to Israel's occupation of the West Bank, needless to mention the 700,000 Palestinians who were driven from their homes and whose homes were subsequently looted by the Haganah. Having Israel's back? Why? It is a misconception to call Israel our ally. They have done nothing to help the United States. And, in fact owe us still for the mortal attack on the USS Liberty. At best, Israel is our protectorate, for debatable moral reasons, not strategic reasons.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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First of all, fear is a great profit center...see neocons and their wars.

Second, more Americans in the US die from peanut poisoning then from terrorism.[/]

Third...this...Here

Peanut consumption associated with decreased total mortality and mortality from cardiovascular diseases

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

First of all, fear is a great profit center...see neocons and their wars.

Second, more Americans in the US die from peanut poisoning then from terrorism.

Third...this...Here

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

First of all, fear is a great profit center...see neocons and their wars.

Second, more Americans in the US die from peanut poisoning then from terrorism.[/]

Third...this...Here

Peanut consumption associated with decreased total mortality and mortality from cardiovascular diseases

Well some people are allergic.

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Nukes were but one WMD that Saddam was supposed to be developing. I don't recall if it was claimed that he already had nukes, or was going about enriching to get nukes. Did Saddam have delivery capability to hit the US from Iraq?

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It's not a strategic reason for me, either. I'm a Christian, so that's where "protecting Israel" comes from. And, yes, that's pretty much the only reason I have for it.

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A lot of the shit that is going on in the ME, we've had our hands in. I think we should get out of that sandbox and stop fucking with them.

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As far as Jeremiah Wright is concerned, one has to understand the discontent of black Americans to understand his liberation theology.

Black Liberation Theology is racist crap, Marxist victimology in a different clown suit...

The false Christianity of the white-devil oppressor must be replaced... ~James H. Cone

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