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joether -> RE: Hillary's E-Mails (3/5/2015 1:01:33 PM)
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I think you can realize KenDckey, that the level of trust between conservatives and liberals have been torn to shreds pretty hardcore. That while this issue could simply be of Mrs. Clinton doing wrong doing with or without knowing. And that if she broke one or more laws, she is allowed a fair court hearing, access to lawyer and trial by jury. Yet, I can also readily accuse 'The Right' of pushing this for ulterior motives and political agendas.
Who gains if Hillary Clinton looks bad? The answer should show any objective person that things may not be as they seem. If Hillary announced tomorrow she was not running for the White House; this issue would die away in less then three minutes. So 'yes', this is....ALL...about politics and intrigue. It has nothing to do with anything that happened under legitimate circumstances.
The level of 'Bullshit' is at an all time high.
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Its not theory to accept someone is innocent until proven guilty.....in a court of law! That's not just evidence and fact, ITS THE FREAKING LAW!
Don't think I said she was guilty of anything other than not having turned her e-mails over to State and not letting Congress know she had them.
Why should Congress see the emails? Last I checked most of them do not have a security clearance. Would you trust someone like Ted Cruz with a security clearance? I sure as hell wouldn't! The point of the matter is the question of 'was there any wrong doing?'.
Lets say for the moment Mrs. Clinton is innocent. Two things....WILL....happen:
1 ) Conservatives and libertarians will assume there is a cover up (based on no evidence or facts)
2 ) Conservatives and libertarians will just look for....something else....to attack Clinton on.
Sadly, there is a cluster fuck of evidence to support both notions.
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The Clintons are lawyers, and will have very good lawyers to speak to. Isn't that what we want to have happen? The innocent are proved right so in court?
Proving innocence is not always that easy. It is like proving a negative. Proving reasonable doubt is much easier. As to guilt or innocence who knows at this point. The purpose of the thread is to open debate on appropriateness as far as I know.
She doesn't have to prove innocence! She has a 5th amendment right for a reason!
That is a core concept of the United States Constitution! The prosecution has to prove guilt! She is assumed to be innocent until proven guilty, therefore, the Defense doesn't have to do shit, until those accusing her have some stable, factual, evidence.
Of course conservatives/libertarians will say she's guilty; most of them have the entire US Constitution and all the amendments tattoo'd to their back. They just ignore the parts that are politically inconvenient to them in any one debate or policy.
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No, it isn't, according to the vast and grand majority of conservatives and libertarians. On this board and in America. They see Hillary Clinton as the biggest obstacle to have total domination of the federal government. And will do anything and everything to obtain it. Even if it means breaking some morals and a pile of laws. Anything here that I've said is not true?
I haven't seen those posts. I have seen some people who believe it, but I don't take them to seriously. If you have imperical evidence of this may I suggest you turn it over to the FBI for further evidence.
And what do they believe? That's right, EVERYTHING they believe, is based on....NO FACTUAL EVIDENCE! That's why its called a belief, rather than a fact.
The FBI is not a clearing house of total morons like many conservatives and libertarians in American like to think. They are going to go over everything with a fine-tooth comb. Study and make an educated and informed judgement of things to the Department of justice. At that point, it is up to DOJ to determine if there is a case to be made against Mrs. Clinton.
Conservative/libertarians along with Republicans/Tea Party will try to turn it into a political circus (if its not one already). They will try to 'prosecute' things in a 'court' they have created. In this kangaroo court, Mrs. Clinton is guilty! Any actual Americans with a brain above their neck will understand what's wrong with this:
Congress is the....LEGISLATIVE....branch of government; and not the ......JUDICIAL....branch.
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Yes, I would like to believe its a fantasy, that conservatives wouldn't do hellish things to secure the White House. But I understand the ideology and zealous nature all to well. I've watched as conservatives and libertarians justify even greater levels of stupidity, anger, animosity, ignorance, and threats of violence towards those that do not agree with them. If ever Tyranny existed in this nation, its well within the conservative/libertarian mindset now.
If that were the case, wouldn't it be wise of the FBI to root out tyranny and move forward to prosecution. But I don't really see them locking up people in the media for these ofences.
Do you have any idea what would happen in this nation, if the FBI and other law enforcement were to actually do that?
The reason why they dont do it, is because they are just as afraid of what will happen as myself! They would rather these idiots go the way of Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann ASAP!
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