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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/18/2015 7:48:39 PM   
GotSteel


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Harm?

Because I think something?

Of course, I mean not if you're stranded on a deserted island then no, but the moment you interact with other people your beliefs about those people reliably dictate your actions towards those people.

Prejudice reliably results in discrimination, the harm caused by this predictable result is why prejudice has such a stigma.

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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/18/2015 7:54:41 PM   
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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/18/2015 7:58:29 PM   
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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/18/2015 8:03:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Everybody has thoughts about other people based on various bits of information, though. My mother thinks anyone west of the east coast is a hick. My brother thinks that democrats are idiots. My brother-in-law thinks gay men are ridiculous. Everybody puts others into some kind of category, even if that category is "Yeah, she's okay." What makes this designation in my head any better or worse than any other? Because it has the potential to be oppressive? That could be said of anything, if I choose to act with hate about it.

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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/18/2015 8:16:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I surely do. But seeing as everyone on here is saying "BUT I JUST THINK IT!" but actively taking part in a discussion about it...I don't see how anyone in this thread is actually practicing "just thinking it"- so I have a hard time believing folks are as unaffected and neutral in real life. And I do believe there are cases where inaction is harmful.

I believe that has been discussed every time someone DOESNT get a response to a cmail, hasn't it?

(No response, IS the response)

Edited to add:

"It's important I express my disapproval. Several times. On multiple grounds." - Awareness

^ on this- him and I agree.

< Message edited by shiftyw -- 3/18/2015 8:26:41 PM >

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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/18/2015 8:27:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Does saying you want to kill someone mean you fo to jail for murder? If your actions don't inhibit anyone else's existence it's the same thing. A neighborhood I grew up in wanted skaters to stop using the sidewalks so they passed a law "no wheeled vehicles on sidewalks" the result was mothers could no longer push strollers, kids couldn't ride bikes.... but punk teenagers who don't care about the rules kept scuffing their precious curbs. Limiting people's ability to decide for themselves what's right only darther enables those with no sense of personal morality... while placing those who would normally be good people in a compromised position.

Saying thinking is wrong, saying talking is wrong is a slippery slope to defining people's morality for them.

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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/18/2015 8:28:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		LMAO The funny part is some of my worst sins just flashed before my eyes just then. I am not sure how to tie Domming to a societal movement of some kind, I apologize. Every time I try to think about it in that context I remember some of my wildest encounters. It's like rationalizing those to my vanilla friends, I mean do you think there will be any measure of understanding? Doubtful. Nor do I even think they would believe me capable of such things. I don't just think it, I live it. I believe my collared's place is beneath me, and that's how it is. He is never really interested in these forums but maybe sometime I'll have him post what he calls his "honest thoughts".

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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/18/2015 10:25:51 PM   
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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/18/2015 10:33:44 PM   
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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/18/2015 10:59:53 PM   
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Rye


Are you dangerous around pumpernickel and whole wheat, as well?



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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/18/2015 11:11:14 PM   
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Rye


Are you dangerous around pumpernickel and whole wheat, as well?



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I'm jussssst dangerous rich Now. Woooo hoooo!!!

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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/18/2015 11:35:54 PM   
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I'm so fucking horrrrrny right nowmmm keep the rite away from me!

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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/19/2015 7:21:01 AM   
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RS I tend to find people fascinating in general. I feel like I learn more from people than books. However I am engaging if I go out typically but the entire time I'm reading people. Not just physically but their reactions, gestures, line of questions, responses etc.

I understand that. I am the same way, beside my measuring up the physical supremacy aspects, I read people by their body language, the cut of their clothes etc.

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Having spent most my teens on the East Side of Detroit, I picked up some awareness habits. I am not always the biggest and strongest guy in the room, so I size up the room. So when I walk into a place, I size up who is physically superior, who the biggest threats are if a brawl broke out. It's not even on a conscious level, it's an automatic survival reflex.

Do girls do that, look to see who is physically superior in a crowd?


Yes, sort of.

One thing I was taught, especially while in the actual city of Detroit, is to be careful with eye contact. As in, avoid it as much as possible to avoid any glances being construed as a lingering stare - an invitation for a fight. If you have great peripheral vision like I do, not much of a problem. I have gotten into the habit of scanning a room for potential threats without making it much too obvious. Eyes forward, chin up, chest out, secretly scanning and observing my surroundings. So, it may not look like I'm doing it, but I am. I'm never looking for just size (that doesn't always matter). I'm looking at the whole picture. Where I'm located now there's not much need to size a room up, but it's become habit. My eye contact restrictions are kept for times I feel like there may be a potential threat. Like you stated, it is a learned awareness.


I feel situational awareness is definitely a learned skill and it became an ingrained habit for me. Even in the middle of suburbia when leaving the house I know if their are shadows in the bushes or silhouettes along the roof lines. Those skills helped me survive more foul situations than any forum reader would believe.

And those ingrained skills read into my BDSM perspectives by helping me size up people individually or read the tone of a crowd. Not quite the gender specific superiority as the OP topic but I can tell who the bulls are and who would be the bitches if they all went to prison.

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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/19/2015 9:19:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko
I believe my collared's place is beneath me, and that's how it is.


And not a single person in this entire thread has taken exception to that. I for instance have a similar relationship. The ethical issue comes up when additional people are included in that belief against their will.

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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/19/2015 9:25:59 AM   
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Does saying you want to kill someone mean you fo to jail for murder? If your actions don't inhibit anyone else's existence it's the same thing.

This is why I added the disclaimer that it's fine if you're stranded on an unpopulated island.


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ORIGINAL: DerangedUnit
A neighborhood I grew up in wanted skaters to stop using the sidewalks so they passed a law "no wheeled vehicles on sidewalks" the result was mothers could no longer push strollers, kids couldn't ride bikes.... but punk teenagers who don't care about the rules kept scuffing their precious curbs. Limiting people's ability to decide for themselves what's right only darther enables those with no sense of personal morality... while placing those who would normally be good people in a compromised position.

Saying thinking is wrong, saying talking is wrong is a slippery slope to defining people's morality for them.

Walk me through why black people are no longer commonly considered 3/5th's of a human being?

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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/19/2015 9:51:51 AM   
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But why would you need somebody's consent to defer to them?


Because deferring to men is, for me, a BDSM kink, and BDSM kinks should be safe, sane and consensual, imo.

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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/19/2015 9:59:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
It seems to me that sexism is still more acceptable than other forms of prejudice around here, to the point that a number of people don't even see it. As such I have an exercise that might make things more clear, take these pro-gender bias arguments, cross out men and women and write in....let's say white and black.


CMS is not sexism, any more than s&m is abuse. The difference is consent. Comparing a consensual power exchange to a system of non-consensual structural oppression is both misleading and disingenuous.

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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/19/2015 10:04:30 AM   
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My point being that making sweeping generalizations about leadership qualifications based on skin color or tits both constitute prejudice.


At no point have I made sweeping generalisations about leadership qualifications based on... tits. :-)

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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/19/2015 10:05:32 AM   
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We aren't concerned about what one person thinks is right for their relationship.

We are concerned about what one person thinks is right for all relationships.


Please show me where I have said that CMS is right for all relationships.

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RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? - 3/19/2015 10:12:29 AM   
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If I came in here and said "I believe male rape should be legal. But I swear up and down its never effected my day to day life and I've never been involved with actual male rape- so who cares cause I just think it! Its an extension of my sexuality and its a kink! and its not role play!" I'm pretty damn sure I'd hear about all the reasons that opinion/belief was totally fucked.


If any person came on here and attempted to discuss fantasies of outright non-consent (as opposed to consensual non-consent, obviously) then I would expect them to be challenged.

Since my post clearly stated that both my beliefs and fantasies were entirely consensual then it is completely different to rape and I really think you are muddying the waters by comparing it to that.

It's like me saying 'It's my belief that consensual sex consensually started by consensual partners, consensually, is consensually okay' and you crying 'down with rape!' It's like - what's rape got to do with it?

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