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Kaliko -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/24/2015 7:03:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Because the initial thrust against the O.P.s belief system was that somehow those specific beliefs of hers...practiced within her dynamic...cannot be contained or, as Mr. Williams (GotSteel's author) put it, consciously overridden when dealing with the public. A male-led relationship or female led relationship? Fine. But a male-led relationship involving a belief in male supremacy? A female -led relationship involving female supremacy? Nope. Those beliefs cannot be contained. A relationship involving a partner of a different race? Great! So long as that relationship is not built on a belief that one race is better at leading/following within a relationship. Again, because that belief cannot be contained or consciously overridden. Let me put it another way. Suppose you were the type of male who thought all women are sluts and whores, an all-around sexist. In your own D/s dynamic with a submissive, you find a woman who has a sexual humiliation fetish, and the two of you get off on this slutty-whore business. I'm not saying that you do, and I'm not saying that you don't. But this denigrating mentality is one that you believe down to the core of your being. Your sub also shares your belief but doesn't mind being treated as if she is a lowly slut (much like there are male subs who identify as lowly pathetic worms). Tell me that such a man with such misogyny won't treat other women as not deserving of any respect, or else feel entitled to use women in general as nothing but sex objects for his own gratification. Tell me that such a woman will be able to impart any sense of self-worth to her daughter or to girls who might be in her charge, while she shows blatant favoritism to all males or to only boys. Either one of them may hold a position of responsibility as an educator or a childcare worker. Take sexism out of the equation, and substitute it with racism - including anti-Semitism - or substitute it with homophobia and gay-bashing. Different superiority/inferiority complexes and one-sided slanted supremacy beliefs, but similar damaging outcomes which have not been consensually entered into by all parties who may be affected. This is why hate crimes are recognized nowadays, which is a relatively recent development in the judicial system, because of their impersonal and nefarious nature. DreamLady I honestly can't even believe what I'm reading. So, a person is to be judged based on what they might do?

GoddessManko -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/24/2015 7:06:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Because the initial thrust against the O.P.s belief system was that somehow those specific beliefs of hers...practiced within her dynamic...cannot be contained or, as Mr. Williams (GotSteel's author) put it, consciously overridden when dealing with the public. A male-led relationship or female led relationship? Fine. But a male-led relationship involving a belief in male supremacy? A female -led relationship involving female supremacy? Nope. Those beliefs cannot be contained. A relationship involving a partner of a different race? Great! So long as that relationship is not built on a belief that one race is better at leading/following within a relationship. Again, because that belief cannot be contained or consciously overridden. Let me put it another way. Suppose you were the type of male who thought all women are sluts and whores, an all-around sexist. In your own D/s dynamic with a submissive, you find a woman who has a sexual humiliation fetish, and the two of you get off on this slutty-whore business. I'm not saying that you do, and I'm not saying that you don't. But this denigrating mentality is one that you believe down to the core of your being. Your sub also shares your belief but doesn't mind being treated as if she is a lowly slut (much like there are male subs who identify as lowly pathetic worms). Tell me that such a man with such misogyny won't treat other women as not deserving of any respect, or else feel entitled to use women in general as nothing but sex objects for his own gratification. Tell me that such a woman will be able to impart any sense of self-worth to her daughter or to girls who might be in her charge, while she shows blatant favoritism to all males or to only boys. Either one of them may hold a position of responsibility as an educator or a childcare worker. Take sexism out of the equation, and substitute it with racism - including anti-Semitism - or substitute it with homophobia and gay-bashing. Different superiority/inferiority complexes and one-sided slanted supremacy beliefs, but similar damaging outcomes which have not been consensually entered into by all parties who may be affected. This is why hate crimes are recognized nowadays, which is a relatively recent development in the judicial system, because of their impersonal and nefarious nature. DreamLady That's not at all how it works, like...at all. LOL. This is pure conjecture and imaginings of someone outside of a dynamic they cannot comprehend. Everything stated here is utterly false.

GoddessManko -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/24/2015 7:09:07 PM)
I'm better at schedule keeping. I'm better at socializing. I'm better at taking decisions. I'm better at stock advice. I'm better at motivating. I'm better at leading. I'm better at system building. Etc. Get it? Unless someone can prove otherwise, so it stands, consistently. There is a difference between propping yourself up on an artificial pedestal and just plain being better, at many things. Stronger, faster, smarter, what have you.

dreamlady -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/24/2015 9:41:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko I'm better at schedule keeping. I'm better at socializing. I'm better at taking decisions. I'm better at stock advice. I'm better at motivating. I'm better at leading. I'm better at system building. Etc. Get it? Unless someone can prove otherwise, so it stands, consistently. There is a difference between propping yourself up on an artificial pedestal and just plain being better, at many things. Stronger, faster, smarter, what have you. Without question, I'm sure you are more talented in areas where others may not be as talented. This is you as an individual, though, not a testament that all women are better at these things than all men are, and you haven't been implying gender supremacy in that fashion. If push came to shove, the astute businesswoman in you no doubt would win out based on a person's expertise and your own instinctive confidence in his or her abilities or track record, not based on an ideology rooted in personal bias. However, not everyone is able to do that or function with objectivity. There is no hard and fast rule, only a conscious and conscientious awareness of how any given person who makes supremacist generalizations in their personal life could possibly let their biases (personal feelings) overrule their intellect or their better judgment. It's not a matter of this will happen without exception, but of how this could happen, the potentiality of it with certain persons or groups of individuals banded together of like mind. quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko I honestly can't even believe what I'm reading. So, a person is to be judged based on what they might do? If you met a man who told you that he didn't believe it was possible for a woman to ever be sexually assaulted because she must have been "asking" for it or must be at fault for having encouraged male advances somehow, would you still want to go out on a date with him? This is an extreme example to illustrate the point that whether this particular man was capable of committing a heinous act himself or whether he stays on the sidelines as part of the cheerleading squad instead, his personal beliefs should signal to you that the potential risk is not worth taking. He may not ever act upon his beliefs and be a law-abiding citizen for all intents and purposes, but I doubt you would want to find out for yourself or say nothing to forewarn your girlfriends. Presenting polarizing viewpoints doesn't have to be taken as what is either inevitable or what is absolutely impossible. A dialectic is not incontrovertible proof one way or the other, so there really isn't a need for any of us to feel defensive, considering that this topic of discussion hasn't become an outright diatribe. DreamLady

Awareness -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/25/2015 12:12:30 AM)
The fundamental crux of your argument rests upon constructing extreme examples and then using them to attempt to prove a point. Ultimately, all you do is prove your fondness for hyperbole. A belief in supremacy is is unrelated to an individual's ethical beliefs. Attempting to conflate the two is an error on your part.

NookieNotes -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/25/2015 2:20:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: shiftyw I care a great deal about pizza equality. I do all I can to eat all the types of pizza out there. [:D] gigglesnorts But WHO will stand up for the bacon-wrapped stuffed-crust deep dish with anchovies? WHO?!? quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes shrugs They are not the same word. The dictionaries I've looked at SOMETIMES use them as synonyms, sometimes do not. And even synonyms are not the exact same, much of the time. They have nuances. Frankly, I think it's important to note these nuances, especially before attacking someone's belief system. The OP has said she is speaking specifically of power, not a state of being "better than." That's enough for me to give her her kink, without crying foul. Some people believe "better than" in the context of a relationship and often it's because they are right/ it's their desire actualized. And no one on the forum is going to change this regardless of whether they cry foul or not. This I agree with, as well. I do wonder about those who talk about females (or males) being better than males (or females) in general. I wonder how they classify all of that, all females better than all males, etc. But, honestly, I really don't care. It's a curiosity, not something to be butt-hurt about. smiles

ExiledTyrant -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/25/2015 5:33:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady Let me put it another way. Suppose you were the type of male who thought all women are sluts and whores, an all-around sexist. In your own D/s dynamic with a submissive, you find a woman who has a sexual humiliation fetish, and the two of you get off on this slutty-whore business. I'm not saying that you do, and I'm not saying that you don't. But this denigrating mentality is one that you believe down to the core of your being. Your sub also shares your belief but doesn't mind being treated as if she is a lowly slut (much like there are male subs who identify as lowly pathetic worms). Tell me that such a man with such misogyny won't treat other women as not deserving of any respect, or else feel entitled to use women in general as nothing but sex objects for his own gratification. Tell me that such a woman will be able to impart any sense of self-worth to her daughter or to girls who might be in her charge, while she shows blatant favoritism to all males or to only boys. Either one of them may hold a position of responsibility as an educator or a childcare worker. Take sexism out of the equation, and substitute it with racism - including anti-Semitism - or substitute it with homophobia and gay-bashing. Different superiority/inferiority complexes and one-sided slanted supremacy beliefs, but similar damaging outcomes which have not been consensually entered into by all parties who may be affected. This is why hate crimes are recognized nowadays, which is a relatively recent development in the judicial system, because of their impersonal and nefarious nature. DreamLady That's not at all how it works, like...at all. LOL. This is pure conjecture and imaginings of someone outside of a dynamic they cannot comprehend. Everything stated here is utterly false. Not in your world, Manko, but it is a fact that is how it works. AlabamaPrincess is a soldier, ask her about being an American woman over seas. My family tree was planted on a cliff, I was the only nut that dropped from the cliff and rooted far from the tree. All else are as DreamLady spoke... misogynistic males and hordes of women who have resigned themselves to be inferior. My grandmother was loathed among the clan because she was strong, fearless, and had the tenacity to do what ever she wanted, whenever she wanted. She lived an amazing life, traveling the world, seeing and experiencing things that were beyond the comprehension of her(our) clan, and when she died, she died mostly alone (me and my mother were with her), everyone else treated her with such contempt, because she was not weak, inferior, and docile that they didn't not even attend her service. DreamLady was quite accurate, misogyny begets progeny, and the cycle perpetuates. Fortunately you are/were insulated from such things, but that does not change the fact that it is alive and well just as monstrous and huge as racism. Jus sayin

CreativeDominant -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/25/2015 6:44:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant Because the initial thrust against the O.P.s belief system was that somehow those specific beliefs of hers...practiced within her dynamic...cannot be contained or, as Mr. Williams (GotSteel's author) put it, consciously overridden when dealing with the public. A male-led relationship or female led relationship? Fine. But a male-led relationship involving a belief in male supremacy? A female -led relationship involving female supremacy? Nope. Those beliefs cannot be contained. A relationship involving a partner of a different race? Great! So long as that relationship is not built on a belief that one race is better at leading/following within a relationship. Again, because that belief cannot be contained or consciously overridden. Let me put it another way. Suppose you were the type of male who thought all women are sluts and whores, an all-around sexist. In your own D/s dynamic with a submissive, you find a woman who has a sexual humiliation fetish, and the two of you get off on this slutty-whore business. I'm not saying that you do, and I'm not saying that you don't. But this denigrating mentality is one that you believe down to the core of your being. Your sub also shares your belief but doesn't mind being treated as if she is a lowly slut (much like there are male subs who identify as lowly pathetic worms). Tell me that such a man with such misogyny won't treat other women as not deserving of any respect, or else feel entitled to use women in general as nothing but sex objects for his own gratification. Tell me that such a woman will be able to impart any sense of self-worth to her daughter or to girls who might be in her charge, while she shows blatant favoritism to all males or to only boys. Either one of them may hold a position of responsibility as an educator or a childcare worker. Take sexism out of the equation, and substitute it with racism - including anti-Semitism - or substitute it with homophobia and gay-bashing. Different superiority/inferiority complexes and one-sided slanted supremacy beliefs, but similar damaging outcomes which have not been consensually entered into by all parties who may be affected. This is why hate crimes are recognized nowadays, which is a relatively recent development in the judicial system, because of their impersonal and nefarious nature. DreamLady And let me put it this way. There are people on just this site alone who believe in just those things WITHIN their dynamic and who consciously override those beliefs when they go out in public. They may speak of those beliefs but they refrain from committing actions because of those beliefs. To move it away from sexist beliefs or racist beliefs...which I've asked you to do but you won't...let's take dominance. I'm a dominant. In my dynamic, I lead, the submissive follows. That's my belief for my personal dynamic. It extended to my children. I led, they followed. But in my life outside those dynamics? Not always. In my business, it is sometimes necessary...and beneficial to both myself and the client...to let the client have as much say, if not more, in how our relationship progresses. I am the facilitator...almost submissive...for where the client wants to go. In my relationship with other family members, I don't try to be the one in charge. These people did not consent to being led by me. And though in many instances, I believe I'd do a better job of it than many of them, I consciously override that belief because those people did not consent to my leadership nor are we involved, as a family, in a D/s dynamic and I can recognize the HARM that may result from my taking ACTIONS resulting from my BELIEFS.

dreamlady -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/25/2015 3:21:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness The fundamental crux of your argument rests upon constructing extreme examples and then using them to attempt to prove a point. Ultimately, all you do is prove your fondness for hyperbole. A belief in supremacy is is unrelated to an individual's ethical beliefs. Attempting to conflate the two is an error on your part. I have to ask you (and Kaliko) this, though, are you speaking about Male Supremacy en toto or about orgasmdenial12's emphasis on Consensual Male Supremacy? Because what she had taken great pains to describe and to clarify, to her credit, is an insular or closed-loop relationship dynamic as she perceives it. I don't think there is a single poster who has come forth to say that they have an issue with what a couple mutually consents to do or how they choose to practice their M/f or F/m relationship dynamic. What issues have been raised by others, including myself, are real-world factual, non-fantasy BDSM roleplay scening manifestations of Supremacist-driven beliefs which by the peculiar nature of this belief system does not stay self-contained in an insular bubble in many instances. You may ascribe this to hyperbole, which is your right to your opinion, NookieNotes can see any dissenting opinions as butthurt all she likes also. I must come from an older generation where the WWII Holocaust was not such a dim memory in the annals of history, who came in contact with actual Holocaust survivors who were regarded as subhuman species by Supremacist ideologies and thereupon set aside for mass extermination. In more modern times, there have been genocidal atrocities committed in Bosnia, in Rwanda, and in the Sudan to this day. Even Apartheid was a "milder" form of oppressive Supremacist thinking, duly implemented. I'll stop there, lest I be accused of "hyperbole" and "butthurt" for reporting verifiable worldwide events stemming from the Superior/inferior Supremacist mindset, either permitted by those who passively look the other way - detachedly, or don't want to get themselves involved - or else once mobilized into a popularly organized movement where mutual consent is not applicable. I am curious to know, if you don't mind my asking, about the history of your own country New Zealand, and how aboriginal peoples are treated or whether they are seen as inferiors there, as has been reported for centuries in your neighboring country of Australia. Quite often historically, the women are exploited sexually and stripped of basic human rights, both for being viewed as an inferior race and for their femaleness. quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant Not in your world, Manko, but it is a fact that is how it works. AlabamaPrincess is a soldier, ask her about being an American woman over seas. My family tree was planted on a cliff, I was the only nut that dropped from the cliff and rooted far from the tree. All else are as DreamLady spoke... misogynistic males and hordes of women who have resigned themselves to be inferior. My grandmother was loathed among the clan because she was strong, fearless, and had the tenacity to do what ever she wanted, whenever she wanted. She lived an amazing life, traveling the world, seeing and experiencing things that were beyond the comprehension of her(our) clan, and when she died, she died mostly alone (me and my mother were with her), everyone else treated her with such contempt, because she was not weak, inferior, and docile that they didn't not even attend her service. DreamLady was quite accurate, misogyny begets progeny, and the cycle perpetuates. Fortunately you are/were insulated from such things, but that does not change the fact that it is alive and well just as monstrous and huge as racism. Jus sayin Your account is fascinating and reminds me that here in the U.S., the systematic dispossession, oppression and genocidal massacres of entire tribes of Native Americans was also spearheaded and fueled by White (European) Supremacist greed and landlust. There were individuals who tried to live peaceably with tribal nations, who intermarried, integrated and assimilated themselves into indigenous cultures. Outnumbered, they were not able to counter the influences of those who would exploit others for personal gain, and the Manifest Destiny speaks to that. P.S. Thank you, CreativeDominant, for explaining your position in greater detail, but I don't want to be redundant in making another post. [:)] DreamLady

GoddessManko -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/25/2015 3:27:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady Let me put it another way. Suppose you were the type of male who thought all women are sluts and whores, an all-around sexist. In your own D/s dynamic with a submissive, you find a woman who has a sexual humiliation fetish, and the two of you get off on this slutty-whore business. I'm not saying that you do, and I'm not saying that you don't. But this denigrating mentality is one that you believe down to the core of your being. Your sub also shares your belief but doesn't mind being treated as if she is a lowly slut (much like there are male subs who identify as lowly pathetic worms). Tell me that such a man with such misogyny won't treat other women as not deserving of any respect, or else feel entitled to use women in general as nothing but sex objects for his own gratification. Tell me that such a woman will be able to impart any sense of self-worth to her daughter or to girls who might be in her charge, while she shows blatant favoritism to all males or to only boys. Either one of them may hold a position of responsibility as an educator or a childcare worker. Take sexism out of the equation, and substitute it with racism - including anti-Semitism - or substitute it with homophobia and gay-bashing. Different superiority/inferiority complexes and one-sided slanted supremacy beliefs, but similar damaging outcomes which have not been consensually entered into by all parties who may be affected. This is why hate crimes are recognized nowadays, which is a relatively recent development in the judicial system, because of their impersonal and nefarious nature. DreamLady That's not at all how it works, like...at all. LOL. This is pure conjecture and imaginings of someone outside of a dynamic they cannot comprehend. Everything stated here is utterly false. Not in your world, Manko, but it is a fact that is how it works. AlabamaPrincess is a soldier, ask her about being an American woman over seas. My family tree was planted on a cliff, I was the only nut that dropped from the cliff and rooted far from the tree. All else are as DreamLady spoke... misogynistic males and hordes of women who have resigned themselves to be inferior. My grandmother was loathed among the clan because she was strong, fearless, and had the tenacity to do what ever she wanted, whenever she wanted. She lived an amazing life, traveling the world, seeing and experiencing things that were beyond the comprehension of her(our) clan, and when she died, she died mostly alone (me and my mother were with her), everyone else treated her with such contempt, because she was not weak, inferior, and docile that they didn't not even attend her service. DreamLady was quite accurate, misogyny begets progeny, and the cycle perpetuates. Fortunately you are/were insulated from such things, but that does not change the fact that it is alive and well just as monstrous and huge as racism. Jus sayin And do you truly believe I am someone who has never known struggle simply because I don't wear my heart on my sleeve like most people? quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes This I agree with, as well. I do wonder about those who talk about females (or males) being better than males (or females) in general. I wonder how they classify all of that, all females better than all males, etc. But, honestly, I really don't care. It's a curiosity, not something to be butt-hurt about. smiles Agreed, it isn't. ETA, also dreamlady I doubt they would feel compelled to respond to someone who is labelling their dynamic as bigotry but maybe they will actually think this is genuine curiosity on your part aside from the outlandish lies you and others continue to perpetuate because our dynamics differ from your own. But I realized a LONG time ago that people often judge you after themselves, so it actually makes me laugh and smile, a lot.

NookieNotes -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/26/2015 4:40:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady NookieNotes can see any dissenting opinions as butthurt all she likes also. I must come from an older generation where the WWII Holocaust was not such a dim memory in the annals of history, who came in contact with actual Holocaust survivors who were regarded as subhuman species by Supremacist ideologies and thereupon set aside for mass extermination. In more modern times, there have been genocidal atrocities committed in Bosnia, in Rwanda, and in the Sudan to this day. Even Apartheid was a "milder" form of oppressive Supremacist thinking, duly implemented. Really? You feel a need to drag me into YOUR discussion that I have nothing to do with? And here I thought you were being relatively logical and rational. Silly me. Do you just hate the term 'butt-hurt?" Because I love it. It's so sassy! And a useful terms for DABS (days after butt sex). grins But I digress. From a topic of consensual male supremacy to all of the atrocities of the world. Yes. That is hyperbole, and it's a desire to find something to be offended by. Because otherwise, once it was cleared up that the OP was discussing only the belief that men are MORE LIKELY to have power (and that feels right to her in her consensual relationships), then it could have easily been dropped, because we are NOT discussing all the world. I'm pretty sure we all know that those atrocities are bad, and caused by bad people, some of whom may have held similar beliefs to those we've discussed in this thread. They also held different beliefs, like "it's OK to KILL/EXPERIMENT ON/ENSLAVE PEOPLE who are not like us." That's a big difference. So, calling me out for something that I have nothing to do with and do not agree with is, to me, grand butt-hurt.

dreamlady -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/26/2015 6:19:34 AM)
Nookie, your reply was to shiftyw, just as mine was to Awareness. You have been posting your opinions as an active participant the same as the rest of the posters, so nobody has "dragged" you into this discussion. This is a public forum. I did not see your comments in support of the poster you had quoted as being a private discussion either. quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady You may ascribe this to hyperbole, which is your right to your opinion, NookieNotes can see any dissenting opinions as butthurt all she likes also. quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes Do you just hate the term 'butt-hurt?" Because I love it. It's so sassy! And a useful terms for DABS (days after butt sex). grins --- So, calling me out for something that I have nothing to do with and do not agree with is, to me, grand butt-hurt. Btw, I get a kick out of this term also, if the truth be known. (Although my days of butthurt are long gone -- practice makes perfect. [;)]) Next time, I'll make an effort to quote you and/or address you more directly, so as not to cause you any further grand mal. . . offense. DreamLady

ExiledTyrant -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/26/2015 7:02:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko And do you truly believe I am someone who has never known struggle simply because I don't wear my heart on my sleeve like most people? I make no assumptions. You've made it abundantly clear that you were raised in a well balanced family, my milage has varied, just as others. Your dog in this fight seems obscure at best. X/Y superiority is fine and dandy within a personal and private dynamic... this is just like any other dynamic. If we were to take the basis of "a dynamic" just like this thread and apply it to eating scat 3 times a day, you'd get just as many varied opinions, cuz, like it or not, there are people that do/want to eat shit 3 times a day. Now, if those scat players were on this thread decrying that eating shit 3 times a day was the only "real and true" way to live in a dynamic, most people on here would get real tired of that shit real fast. Misogyny and misandry are diabolical and require a modicum of superiority of X or Y to seed that disdain. Seeds take root, grow, blossom, and pollinate. As much as people would like to believe that "superiority" remains within the confines of a dynamic, it doesn't. It bleeds into all aspects of life... I've seen it, was raised around it, and I exploit gender perceptions often with great zeal. If a woman needs some minor work on her car; windshield wipers, battery, head lights, etc... I always encourage them to go to a part store, bat their eyes, be all woman, and the guys there will fall all over themselves to install those things. If she needs a major problem assessed, I tell her to send her vehicle to a garage with her brother, father, male friend, cuz a mechanic will less likely pad the bill on a guy. Jus sayin

NookieNotes -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/26/2015 7:25:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady Nookie, your reply was to shiftyw, just as mine was to Awareness. You have been posting your opinions as an active participant the same as the rest of the posters, so nobody has "dragged" you into this discussion. This is a public forum. I did not see your comments in support of the poster you had quoted as being a private discussion either. quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady You may ascribe this to hyperbole, which is your right to your opinion, NookieNotes can see any dissenting opinions as butthurt all she likes also. quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes Do you just hate the term 'butt-hurt?" Because I love it. It's so sassy! And a useful terms for DABS (days after butt sex). grins --- So, calling me out for something that I have nothing to do with and do not agree with is, to me, grand butt-hurt. Btw, I get a kick out of this term also, if the truth be known. (Although my days of butthurt are long gone -- practice makes perfect. [;)]) Next time, I'll make an effort to quote you and/or address you more directly, so as not to cause you any further grand mal. . . offense. DreamLady I'm not saying you dragged me into this thread. Just your own branch of it, which I had no part of, nor did I have an interest in discussing all the world's ills, or what you attribute them to. I don't care to conflate what we do in our bedrooms and relationships with wide-scale slaughter and oppression. Ever. It takes much more than the simple desire for supremacy to make that happen. I'm not offended, or butt-hurt. Just pointing out that what you did to drag my name into a discussion where you bring up the atrocities of the world as your "proof of right" makes no sense.

dreamlady -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/26/2015 7:55:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes I'm not saying you dragged me into this thread. Just your own branch of it, which I had no part of, nor did I have an interest in discussing all the world's ills, or what you attribute them to. I don't care to conflate what we do in our bedrooms and relationships with wide-scale slaughter and oppression. Ever. It takes much more than the simple desire for supremacy to make that happen. I'm not offended, or butt-hurt. Just pointing out that what you did to drag my name into a discussion where you bring up the atrocities of the world as your "proof of right" makes no sense. It is natural to have thread drift, from what I've seen, and I didn't mind when CD asked about my D/s dynamics. I didn't feel that he was dragging me into his discourse with GS (when CD's quote pertained to GS's reply which I had quoted). So we have a difference in perception, where those who post on this thread are part of the same tree. A tree with a split trunk, truncated between private consensuality between consenting adults, and that which extends beyond the bounds of self-containment. Both Male and Female Supremacy have been discussed. If there are separate branches, those would be where this topic has splintered off into informally demarcated camps, as it were. You and I do not appear to be in the same alignment of Female Supremacist thinking, if I may characterize it for the most part, just as I do not support Male Supremacist thinking. Nothing personal. [&:] DreamLady

NookieNotes -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/26/2015 8:33:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady You and I do not appear to be in the same alignment of Female Supremacist thinking, if I may characterize it for the most part, just as I do not support Male Supremacist thinking. Nothing personal. [&:] No, nothing personal at all. smiles I'm not sure I got your position on female supremacy. I don't believe in it, myself, and I don't truck with those subs who do, as my personal feelings are that I prefer to be followed because I have proven myself a capable leader, not simply because of the shape of my goody bits.

dreamlady -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/26/2015 9:04:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes I'm not sure I got your position on female supremacy. I don't believe in it, myself, and I don't truck with those subs who do, as my personal feelings are that I prefer to be followed because I have proven myself a capable leader, not simply because of the shape of my goody bits. With the back and forth going on at various points about whether Supremacy entails a belief in superiority vs. inferiority, it wasn't clear to me why you were taking the position that you did (i.e., the impreciseness of definitions, which I've seen you employ the use of to present a point), unless it was to downplay the entire concept of Supremacy as relating to a Supremacist belief system. You don't need to explain yourself any further than you already did above, but I mention this because that's where I'd gotten this (faulty?) impression initially. Honestly, when I get addressed by subs as a Superior woman by virtue of my gender, it makes me throw up a little in my mouth. (Not really, but you get the gist of my reaction.) They don't know me, and they're just paying lip service in a feeble attempt to ingratiate themselves. I tell them they've been watching too much FemDom porn. Yesterday, I had to inform a male switch on another site that I am not high protocol, and that I don't go for this Superior/inferior foolishness. He still didn't drop his subservient act in his reply message! DreamLady

GoddessManko -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/26/2015 9:11:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady You and I do not appear to be in the same alignment of Female Supremacist thinking, if I may characterize it for the most part, just as I do not support Male Supremacist thinking. Nothing personal. [&:] No, nothing personal at all. smiles I'm not sure I got your position on female supremacy. I don't believe in it, myself, and I don't truck with those subs who do, as my personal feelings are that I prefer to be followed because I have proven myself a capable leader, not simply because of the shape of my goody bits. Female supremacy has nothing to do with goody bits. I don't even get topped like many women do. I see vanilla sex and blowjobs as submissive. I don't have to use my "goody bits" to lure men.

GoddessManko -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/26/2015 9:19:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko And do you truly believe I am someone who has never known struggle simply because I don't wear my heart on my sleeve like most people? I make no assumptions. You've made it abundantly clear that you were raised in a well balanced family, my milage has varied, just as others. Your dog in this fight seems obscure at best. X/Y superiority is fine and dandy within a personal and private dynamic... this is just like any other dynamic. If we were to take the basis of "a dynamic" just like this thread and apply it to eating scat 3 times a day, you'd get just as many varied opinions, cuz, like it or not, there are people that do/want to eat shit 3 times a day. Now, if those scat players were on this thread decrying that eating shit 3 times a day was the only "real and true" way to live in a dynamic, most people on here would get real tired of that shit real fast. Misogyny and misandry are diabolical and require a modicum of superiority of X or Y to seed that disdain. Seeds take root, grow, blossom, and pollinate. As much as people would like to believe that "superiority" remains within the confines of a dynamic, it doesn't. It bleeds into all aspects of life... I've seen it, was raised around it, and I exploit gender perceptions often with great zeal. If a woman needs some minor work on her car; windshield wipers, battery, head lights, etc... I always encourage them to go to a part store, bat their eyes, be all woman, and the guys there will fall all over themselves to install those things. If she needs a major problem assessed, I tell her to send her vehicle to a garage with her brother, father, male friend, cuz a mechanic will less likely pad the bill on a guy. Jus sayin I am the Matriarch in my family, to everyone. Including my mother. Also I do my own mechanic work. [;)] I believe that female leadership is the natural order of things. There are few exceptions to the rule but overall, yes. I believe behind every strong man is a stronger woman. Many sub men and female Dommes would agree. But let's switch that to "ahead of" in my case. [;)]

NookieNotes -> RE: Bit Controversial - Consensual Male Supremacy? (3/26/2015 11:13:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dreamlady quote: ORIGINAL: NookieNotes I'm not sure I got your position on female supremacy. I don't believe in it, myself, and I don't truck with those subs who do, as my personal feelings are that I prefer to be followed because I have proven myself a capable leader, not simply because of the shape of my goody bits. With the back and forth going on at various points about whether Supremacy entails a belief in superiority vs. inferiority, it wasn't clear to me why you were taking the position that you did (i.e., the impreciseness of definitions, which I've seen you employ the use of to present a point), unless it was to downplay the entire concept of Supremacy as relating to a Supremacist belief system. You don't need to explain yourself any further than you already did above, but I mention this because that's where I'd gotten this (faulty?) impression initially. Honestly, when I get addressed by subs as a Superior woman by virtue of my gender, it makes me throw up a little in my mouth. (Not really, but you get the gist of my reaction.) They don't know me, and they're just paying lip service in a feeble attempt to ingratiate themselves. I tell them they've been watching too much FemDom porn. Yesterday, I had to inform a male switch on another site that I am not high protocol, and that I don't go for this Superior/inferior foolishness. He still didn't drop his subservient act in his reply message! DreamLady Agreed. I just believe that we have words to communicate and clarity of communication is important, as is the right of everyone to think and act as they see fit, as long as they do it in a consensual way with others. So, yeah, I'll battle for the right of male supremacists to be that. If they also believe that men are superior (actually better because they have outies, versus just more often in power), I'll probably judge them harshly, but still fight for their rights. smiles quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessManko Female supremacy has nothing to do with goody bits. I don't even get topped like many women do. I see vanilla sex and blowjobs as submissive. I don't have to use my "goody bits" to lure men. shrugs You say to-may-toe, I say tom-mah-toe. Goody bits, gender. It's my way of saying that I don't believe I'm better than anyone simply because I'm female. I'm a better than those who follow me and many others because I do what I believe good leaders should do and I earn my position. As far as any sexual act being submissive, you have a right to that belief. I disagree with everything in my being. To me, dominance is all in the mind, and I can be just as dominant getting roughly fucked up the butt as anyone on the other side of the action. That's how I view life.

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