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PeonForHer -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/29/2015 2:00:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee
My first thought when reading your first thought is. . . Ummm. . . silly Brit. McCarthy had nothing to do with the HUAC.


I know. I didn't say he did. Silly Yank. ;-)




MercTech -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/29/2015 6:59:52 AM)

But Joe McCarthy, the HUAC, and the John Birch Society all seem to go together in the same tossed fruit salad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_Committee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society




Lucylastic -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/29/2015 7:04:11 AM)

that can be found in the batshit crazy section yes?




tweakabelle -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/29/2015 9:42:59 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

that can be found in the batshit crazy section yes?

Yes. The comments above defending Sen McCarthy are the first time in my life I have ever heard an adult trying to justify McCarthy's obnoxious hysterical witch hunts of the 1950s.

So yes definitely file them under batshit crazy. Hopefully I won't have to endure such idiocy again in my lifetime.




Kirata -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/29/2015 10:44:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

that can be found in the batshit crazy section yes?

Yes. The comments above defending Sen McCarthy are the first time in my life I have ever heard an adult trying to justify McCarthy's obnoxious hysterical witch hunts of the 1950s.

So yes definitely file them under batshit crazy. Hopefully I won't have to endure such idiocy again in my lifetime.

Well I won't defend McCarthy's methods, but later access to KGB archives and in particular the release of the VENONA intercepts have established that McCarthy was right about Soviet penetration of the U.S. government.

The Venona Secrets: The Definitive Exposé of Soviet Espionage in America

Romerstein and Breindel cast a spotlight on one of the most shadowy episodes in recent American history a past when treason infected Washington and Soviet agents were shielded, either wittingly or unwittingly, by our very own government officials.

K.




bounty44 -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/29/2015 3:44:02 PM)

sorry comrades, I don't have a definition for "batshit crazy" but I might put denying history as close...

quote:

Pulling all the latest evidence together was luncheon speaker Professor Arthur Herman. His new book, "Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator," and featured in the Sunday New York Times Magazine, shows the vindication of most of McCarthy's charges. Herman, who is also coordinator of the Smithsonian's Western Heritage Program, said that the accuracy of McCarthy's charges "was no longer a matter of debate," that they are "now accepted as fact." However, the term "McCarthyism" still remains in the language.


http://www.rense.com/politics6/mc.htm





PeonForHer -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (3/29/2015 3:55:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

sorry comrades, I don't have a definition for "batshit crazy" but I might put denying history as close...

quote:

Pulling all the latest evidence together was luncheon speaker Professor Arthur Herman. His new book, "Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's Most Hated Senator," and featured in the Sunday New York Times Magazine, shows the vindication of most of McCarthy's charges. Herman, who is also coordinator of the Smithsonian's Western Heritage Program, said that the accuracy of McCarthy's charges "was no longer a matter of debate," that they are "now accepted as fact." However, the term "McCarthyism" still remains in the language.


http://www.rense.com/politics6/mc.htm




Ridiculous, Mein Fuhrer. McCarthy tried to conflate two sorts of people: spies, and dissenters. There were lots of spies in his fantasy (as well as in the view of people who weren't mad and did actually know of spies). This is unsurprising - it was the frigging Cold War. But as for the latter - dissenters - in his fantasy there were potentially millions of them. He did much to fuel the Second Red Scare while at the same time surfboarded on the results of that mad fear for his own political benefit.




Kirata -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (4/7/2015 6:01:28 PM)


~ FR ~

Mount Holyoke College, an all-women’s college in Massachusetts, is retiring its annual production of the Vagina Monologues this year because the play is not inclusive of transgender students... “At its core, the show offers an extremely narrow perspective on what it means to be a woman... Gender is a wide and varied experience, one that cannot simply be reduced to biological or anatomical distinctions, and many of us who have participated in the show have grown increasingly uncomfortable presenting material that is inherently reductionist and exclusive”...The college recently expanded its definition of a woman when it announced it will be accepting men who identify as women in the upcoming 2015 admissions cycle. ~Campus Reform

I just can't get on board with the logic of Mount Holyoke's dismissal, similar strains of which have been seen elsewhere recently. Last January, for instance, a fundraiser for a Texas abortion-advocacy group came under fire because of its title, "A Night of a Thousand Vaginas," which some argued was hurtful to trans individuals... And now, in the name of feminism, "female-validating talk about vaginas is now forbidden," as one anonymous writer on a Mount Holyoke messageboard put it. "That's so misogynistic under the guise of ‘progress.'" But "we can't present a show that is blatantly transphobic," countered another student, displaying the kind of rhetoric that is troubling in all this. ~Reason

The birth pangs of Newspeak.

K.




Aylee -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (4/7/2015 7:26:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


~ FR ~

Mount Holyoke College, an all-women’s college in Massachusetts, is retiring its annual production of the Vagina Monologues this year because the play is not inclusive of transgender students... “At its core, the show offers an extremely narrow perspective on what it means to be a woman... Gender is a wide and varied experience, one that cannot simply be reduced to biological or anatomical distinctions, and many of us who have participated in the show have grown increasingly uncomfortable presenting material that is inherently reductionist and exclusive”...The college recently expanded its definition of a woman when it announced it will be accepting men who identify as women in the upcoming 2015 admissions cycle. ~Campus Reform

I just can't get on board with the logic of Mount Holyoke's dismissal, similar strains of which have been seen elsewhere recently. Last January, for instance, a fundraiser for a Texas abortion-advocacy group came under fire because of its title, "A Night of a Thousand Vaginas," which some argued was hurtful to trans individuals... And now, in the name of feminism, "female-validating talk about vaginas is now forbidden," as one anonymous writer on a Mount Holyoke messageboard put it. "That's so misogynistic under the guise of ‘progress.'" But "we can't present a show that is blatantly transphobic," countered another student, displaying the kind of rhetoric that is troubling in all this. ~Reason

The birth pangs of Newspeak.

K.



Maybe a trans person should go around and do interviews and write up a trans monologue. Problem solved! [:)]




thompsonx -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (4/7/2015 7:47:09 PM)


except that we actually did have communists here in the country in positions of power in the government who were either supporting,

The communist party is on the ballot. It is a legal political party. This is america isn't it? Or have you changed the constitution?




slvemike4u -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (4/7/2015 7:58:34 PM)

I really don't get it,I couldn't understand someone trying to burnish Joe MCarthy's record but than today someone tried to justify Kent State....I don't think I can get surprised here ever again [:@]




Sanity -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (4/7/2015 8:21:00 PM)


FR

quote:

WASHINGTON — There’s Beyoncé and Madonna, Cher and Prince. And now Hillary.

It may not be exactly the same as the long list of celebrities known by their first names. But Hillary Clinton has become known simply as Hillary in bumper stickers and headlines, on Twitter and Facebook, around water coolers and in coffee shops.

Yet some Americans, mostly women, don’t think the former secretary of state, U.S. senator from New York and first lady should be called by just her first name.

“I think it’s pretty unjust,” said Monica Warek, 23, on a recent visit to Washington from New York City. “I think it shows the level of inequality that still exists in the workforce and just in general in society.”

[img]http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2015/04/07/14/32/RA4zR.AuSt.91.jpeg[/img]

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/04/07/262261/whats-in-a-name-hillary-by-any.html#storylink=cpy




bounty44 -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (4/7/2015 9:45:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


except that we actually did have communists here in the country in positions of power in the government who were either supporting,

The communist party is on the ballot. It is a legal political party. This is america isn't it? Or have you changed the constitution?


I wasn't talking about "the communist party" in a generic sense but if you back closely at what said I believe I mentioned communist spies working in the government.




thompsonx -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (4/8/2015 7:50:14 AM)


ORIGINAL: bounty44

I wasn't talking about "the communist party" in a generic sense but if you back closely at what said I believe I mentioned communist spies working in the government.


Here is your complete quote.

except that we actually did have communists here in the country in positions of power in the government who were either supporting, or working for the soviet union. if the left will finally just acknowledge that, then they could give up the McCarthy bashing, say they were sorry, and move on to something else...

I fail to see the word spy in it.
Do republicrats in government seek to pimp republicrat issues?
Do demopubs in government seek to pimp demopub issues?
Why do you find it inconsistant for communist to pimp communist issues?
Just how many spys did tailgunner joe, the huac or the verona report actually find?





CreativeDominant -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (4/8/2015 1:53:27 PM)

Well...there's this to start with:

In other branches of the government, however, more than 300 persons were discharged for loyalty reasons alone during the period from 1947 to 1951.
Most but not all of Senator McCarthy’s numbered cases were drawn from the “Lee List” or “108 list” of unresolved Department of State security cases compiled by Lee for the House Appropriations Committee in 1947. [39] The Tydings subcommittee also obtained this list. In addition to some of the person involved in espionage identified in the Venona project listed above, there are other security and loyalty risks identified correctly by Senator McCarthy included in the following list:
Robert Warren Barnett & Mrs. Robert Warren Barnett, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #48 and #49 respectively and both are on Lee list as #59;[40]
Esther Brunauer, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #47 and Lee list #55;[41]
Stephen Brunauer, U.S. Navy, chemist in the explosive research division;[42]
Gertrude Cameron, Information and Editorial Specialist in the U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #55 and Lee list #65;[43][44]
Nelson Chipchin, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's list #23;[45]
Oliver Edmund Clubb, U.S. State Department;[46]
John Paton Davies, U.S. State Department, Policy Planning Committee;[47]
Gustavo Duran, U.S. State Department, assistant to the Assistant Secretary of State in charge of Latin American Affairs, and Chief of the Cultural Activities Section of the Department of Social Affairs of the United Nations;[48]
Arpad Erdos, U.S. State Department;[49]
Herbert Fierst, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's case #1 and Lee list #51;[50][51][52]
John Tipton Fishburn, U.S. State Department; Lee list #106;[53]
Theodore Geiger, U.S. State Department;[54]
Stella Gordon, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #40 and Lee list #45[55]
Stanley Graze, U.S. State Department intelligence; McCarthy's Case #8 and Lee list #8, brother of Gerald Graze, confirmed in KGB Archives;[56]
Ruth Marcia Harrison, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #7 and Lee list #4;[57]
Myron Victor Hunt, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #65 and Lee list #79;[58]
Philip Jessup, U.S. State Department, Assistant Director for the Naval School of Military Government and Administration at Columbia University in New York, Delegate to the U.N. in a number of different capacities, Ambassador-at-large, and Chairman of the Institute of Pacific Relations Research Advisory Committee; McCarthy's Case #15;[59]
Dorothy Kenyon, New York City Municipal Court Judge, U.S. State Department appointee as American Delegate to the United Nations Commission on the Status of Women;[60]
Leon Hirsch Keyserling, President Harry Truman's Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers;[61]
Mary Dublin Keyserling, U.S. Department of Commerce;[62]
Esther Less Kopelewich, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #24;[63]
Owen Lattimore, Board member of the communist-dominated Institute of Pacific Relations (I.P.R) and editor the I.P.R.’s journal Pacific Affairs;[64]
Paul A. Lifantieff-Lee, U.S. Naval Department; McCarthy's Case #56 and Lee list #66;[65]
Val R. Lorwin, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #54 and Lee list #64;[66]
Daniel F. Margolies, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #41 and Lee list #46;[67] [68]
Peveril Meigs, U.S. State Department; Department of the Army; McCarthy's Case #3 and Lee list #2;[69]
Ella M. Montague, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #34 and Lee list #32;[70]
Philleo Nash, Presidential Advisor, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman administrations;[71][72][73]
Olga V. Osnatch, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #81 and Lee list #78;[74]
Edward Posniak, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case Number 77;[75]
Philip Raine, U.S. State Department, Regional Specialist; McCarthy's Case #52 and Lee list #62;[76][77][78][79]
Robert Ross, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #32 and Lee list #30;[80]
Sylvia Schimmel, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #50 and Lee list #60;[81][82][83][84]
Frederick Schumann, contracted by U.S. State Department as lecturer; Professor at Williams College; not on Lee list;[85]
John S. Service, U.S. State Department;[86]
Harlow Shapley, U.S. State Department appointee to UNESCO, Chairman of the National Council of Arts, Sciences, and Professions;[87]
William T. Stone, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #46 and Lee list #54;[88]
Frances M. Tuchser, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #6 and Lee list #6;[89]
John Carter Vincent, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #2 and Lee list #52;[90]
David Zablodowsky, U.S. State Department & Director of the United Nations Publishing Division. McCarthy's Case #103

And this:

In 1953-54, McCarthy had been investigating lax security in the top secret facility at Ft. Monmouth, New Jersey. He was attacked by liberals and Communists on the grounds that there were no security problems at Ft. Monmouth. Years later, in addressing the reason why the U.S. Army's top-secret operations at Fort Monmouth were quietly moved to Arizona, Senator Barry Goldwater, in his 1979 book With no apologies: The personal and political memoirs of United States Senator Barry M. Goldwater, Goldwater stated:
"Carl Hayden, who in January 1955 became chairman of the powerful Appropriations Committee of the United States Senate, told me privately Monmouth had been moved because he and other members of the majority Democratic Party were convinced security at Monmouth had been penetrated. They didn't want to admit that McCarthy was right in his accusations. Their only alternative was to move the installation from New Jersey to a new location in Arizona."[110]
Even though McCarthy's investigations proved that his suspicions were right, for many years afterwards and continue to this day, liberals have spread the falsehood that McCarthy had found nothing at Fort Monmouth.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Joseph_McCarthy#Known_security.2Floyalty_risks

For starters.




mnottertail -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (4/8/2015 2:09:18 PM)

Yeah, worthless source. Show us the 108 list. They must have it with provenance. Show us the list of 200 communists in the state department.

Show us proof of their communist ties and their subversion of our government unless you do not want to talk about Hanson the staunch commie republican in the FBI or edward snowdon, darling of the right commie.

there are today about 5000 members, but it used to be much much higher, and they have ran a candidate for president with votes since 1924 with the exception of the last election, on Gus Halls intervening death.

We have also had 'tea party' dildos working in government.

Neither have completely destroyed us yet, but some are still trying.

You don't think America is strong enough of a country to have a couple of commies in it?




bounty44 -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (4/8/2015 2:26:58 PM)

right, be so narrowly literal to the point of absurdity. so no I didn't mention "spies", so what? the original post stands on its own without them.

but that said, the commonality between "spies" and "working for/supporting the soviet union" is people in our own government allying themselves with our enemy at the time.

you'll notice I didn't say anything about McCarthy just running around and interviewing/investigating the rank and file members of the communist party in the usa.

maybe you would be okay with some muslim brotherhood members working in the government?




mnottertail -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (4/8/2015 3:09:56 PM)

I dont know why you didnt, because he did. And most of them werent.




thompsonx -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (4/8/2015 3:43:59 PM)

It would appear that your point is that commies are not allowed to participate in our "free and open" republic.




thompsonx -> RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended (4/8/2015 3:47:12 PM)

Stranger shit has happened. There was a time you thought I was satin's mentor.




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