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Police Officer Shoots and Kills Naked - 3/11/2015 8:40:58 AM   
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http://gawker.com/police-officer-shoots-and-kills-naked-unarmed-black-ma-1690533895

So being naked is killer dangerous.
I wonder if the cop will get away? I bet he will after 3 weeks.
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RE: Police Officer Shoots and Kills Naked - 3/11/2015 8:52:07 AM   
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Doesn't sound like much of a story here. Perhaps if you....PRESENTED.....the evidence that comes with the story fairly:

Officers were called to the The Heights at Chamblee apartment complex, police told reporters, after Hill was reported "acting deranged, knocking on doors and crawling around naked."

When police arrived at the scene, Hill reportedly charged at an officer, who after stepping back and warning him to stop, opened fire, shooting Hill twice. Hill died at the scene.


Yes it is unfortunate and tragic. Unless you have an actual argument here, I don't see anything more to the issue.

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RE: Police Officer Shoots and Kills Naked - 3/11/2015 8:55:15 AM   
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your using the phrase "get away" seems to imply the officer in question is somehow guilty of something.

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RE: Police Officer Shoots and Kills Naked - 3/11/2015 9:01:39 AM   
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quote:

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http://gawker.com/police-officer-shoots-and-kills-naked-unarmed-black-ma-1690533895

So being naked is killer dangerous.
I wonder if the cop will get away? I bet he will after 3 weeks.

Maybe we should wait for more information before getting out the tar and feathers.
Cop may have gone overboard but the firearm is the fastest to deploy, and the dead man was attacking the officer.
As we saw in the LA case a tazer doesn't always stop them and if it didn't the cop was up the creek.

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RE: Police Officer Shoots and Kills Naked - 3/11/2015 12:40:18 PM   
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I doubt they shot him because he was naked, more likely because he attacked them. And it's sad when that happens, sadder still when it's a kid but I have noticed that some shootings get more attention than others. I haven't seen much on this one at all http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/03/01/teen-driver-fatally-shot-traffic-stop-near-grand-ledge/24223195/

Wonder why that is?

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RE: Police Officer Shoots and Kills Naked - 3/11/2015 1:18:15 PM   
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quote:

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http://gawker.com/police-officer-shoots-and-kills-naked-unarmed-black-ma-1690533895

So being naked is killer dangerous.
I wonder if the cop will get away? I bet he will after 3 weeks.

Maybe we should wait for more information before getting out the tar and feathers. Yes. That advice goes for everyone.

Cop may have gone overboard but the firearm is the fastest to deploy, and the dead man was attacking the officer. Attacking? Are you sure? He had not been violent toward anyone up to that point, and in fact one person...I think it was the grounds keeper...said he had been hugging the disturbed man just a few minutes before the man was killed. Just running toward someone does NOT necessarily equal "attack". You should remember the advice you wrote in your first line.

As we saw in the LA case a tazer doesn't always stop them and if it didn't the cop was up the creek. In at least one report I read, it said that the incident was responded to by officers...plural, meaning there was more than just the one officer there. We know that this officer had a tazer. My guess is that he also had pepper spray and a baton. With backup nearby, with a tazer, probably with pepper spray and a baton, this officer automatically goes for the most lethal method of dealing with a naked, unarmed man. Exactly which creek was it that this officer would have been up? If MAYBE a tazer might not work; and if MAYBE pepper spray might not work; and if MAYBE a baton might not work; and if MAYBE having backup nearby won't help, what is the point of even carrying them or sending out multiple responders? There is little doubt that when the information came over the police radio about the incident the officers going there knew that the "suspect" was naked, PROBABLY meaning that the guy had mental issues. The reports say the officer parked "some distance" away. So I would think he had time to think at least a little bit about what would be the best method of dealing with a naked individual. This officer apparently decided the best method of dealing with him was to shoot him. Good thing he did too! If he hadn't he would probably been up some creek getting his feet wet! (sarcasm)



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RE: Police Officer Shoots and Kills Naked - 3/11/2015 4:07:11 PM   
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RE: Police Officer Shoots and Kills Naked - 3/11/2015 11:55:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: igor2003


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: Redhusky

http://gawker.com/police-officer-shoots-and-kills-naked-unarmed-black-ma-1690533895

So being naked is killer dangerous.
I wonder if the cop will get away? I bet he will after 3 weeks.

Maybe we should wait for more information before getting out the tar and feathers. Yes. That advice goes for everyone.

Cop may have gone overboard but the firearm is the fastest to deploy, and the dead man was attacking the officer. Attacking? Are you sure? He had not been violent toward anyone up to that point, and in fact one person...I think it was the grounds keeper...said he had been hugging the disturbed man just a few minutes before the man was killed. Just running toward someone does NOT necessarily equal "attack". You should remember the advice you wrote in your first line.

As we saw in the LA case a tazer doesn't always stop them and if it didn't the cop was up the creek. In at least one report I read, it said that the incident was responded to by officers...plural, meaning there was more than just the one officer there. We know that this officer had a tazer. My guess is that he also had pepper spray and a baton. With backup nearby, with a tazer, probably with pepper spray and a baton, this officer automatically goes for the most lethal method of dealing with a naked, unarmed man. Exactly which creek was it that this officer would have been up? If MAYBE a tazer might not work; and if MAYBE pepper spray might not work; and if MAYBE a baton might not work; and if MAYBE having backup nearby won't help, what is the point of even carrying them or sending out multiple responders? There is little doubt that when the information came over the police radio about the incident the officers going there knew that the "suspect" was naked, PROBABLY meaning that the guy had mental issues. The reports say the officer parked "some distance" away. So I would think he had time to think at least a little bit about what would be the best method of dealing with a naked individual. This officer apparently decided the best method of dealing with him was to shoot him. Good thing he did too! If he hadn't he would probably been up some creek getting his feet wet! (sarcasm)



I have not made up my mind on this one yet, as I said we need to wait and get more information.
I will point out however that when the guy is charging you do not have time to see if the tazer works, then to see if the pepper spray works, then see if the baton works. It is not clear how many officers were there. That is a piece of information that is very important in this case. The more officers, the less justification.
I AM NOT assuming the officer was correct, but as pointed out the OP is starting from ...... the cop is guilty, lets find an excuse why. We have seen too many cases with an initial report like this that turned out to be completely different when all the facts came in.

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RE: Police Officer Shoots and Kills Naked - 3/11/2015 11:58:49 PM   
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I doubt they shot him because he was naked, more likely because he attacked them. And it's sad when that happens, sadder still when it's a kid but I have noticed that some shootings get more attention than others. I haven't seen much on this one at all http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/03/01/teen-driver-fatally-shot-traffic-stop-near-grand-ledge/24223195/

Wonder why that is?

The cop was bleeding with a serious injury, kind of hard to argue he just shot the kid for the fun of it.

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RE: Police Officer Shoots and Kills Naked - 3/12/2015 5:52:18 AM   
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quote:

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I doubt they shot him because he was naked, more likely because he attacked them. And it's sad when that happens, sadder still when it's a kid but I have noticed that some shootings get more attention than others. I haven't seen much on this one at all http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/03/01/teen-driver-fatally-shot-traffic-stop-near-grand-ledge/24223195/

Wonder why that is?

The cop was bleeding with a serious injury, kind of hard to argue he just shot the kid for the fun of it.


I haven't noticed anyone waiting for facts to come out in the other shootings before ripping into the cops, but apparently in this case they did. In other cases I have seen the story hits the internet and there are pics of the kid all over. Often the same day and they tend to be filled with "facts" that are later disproved. This one I had to really look for and would not have know about it at all if I hadn't read about it in our local paper.

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RE: Police Officer Shoots and Kills Naked - 3/13/2015 2:35:15 AM   
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Whenever I hear of an officer shooting someone; the first thing that pops to mind is the standing orders form I always had to sign when drawing a weapon from the armory for watch as security duty in the Navy. Current policy reads as:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/10/1047.7

It just might have been a justifiable shooting but no shooting is not regrettable.

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RE: Police Officer Shoots and Kills Naked - 3/13/2015 4:50:00 AM   
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Whenever I hear of an officer shooting someone; the first thing that pops to mind is the standing orders form I always had to sign when drawing a weapon from the armory for watch as security duty in the Navy. Current policy reads as:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/10/1047.7

It just might have been a justifiable shooting but no shooting is not regrettable.

Yes saying it is justified, which I have not done at this time, is not to say that it was a good thing.

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RE: Police Officer Shoots and Kills Naked - 3/13/2015 11:13:51 AM   
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Naked man keeps coming at you after being ordered to stop... hard to call.
Too bad the backup with, hopefully, a taser had gotten there sooner.


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RE: Police Officer Shoots and Kills Naked - 3/13/2015 11:35:38 AM   
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http://gawker.com/police-officer-shoots-and-kills-naked-unarmed-black-ma-1690533895

So being naked is killer dangerous.
I wonder if the cop will get away? I bet he will after 3 weeks.

I dont know why but this reminds me of one of Dahmer's victims.. a young naked boy who could not speak english was running around and the cops found and returned to Dahmer to finish what he started..

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