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RE: Time Wasters - 3/12/2015 7:56:53 AM   
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I've never had it happen but then I think there are a couple of things to my advantage. Female submission is more socially acceptable and male domination is more common. Perhaps this leads women to be less conflicted about their desires and more likely to have prior experience (which leads them to be less conflicted about their desires). Hence perhaps less in the way of last second freak out and run for it.


This I almost totally agree with, even for the most submissive of male mindsets there is an "internal conflict" that goes beyond what others think. It can show at different points in their lives but it shows. The most submissive of men I have dealt with usually have something "tragic" going on with someone close to them and it causes their inherent nature (even if they try to suppress it) to emerge. With that in mind a label is just that, anyone can self label as a Dominant, anyone can self label as a submissive and in some cases those labels are interchangeable. The most important thing for me and for anyone really is knowing what I, as a singular person, want so I can easily recognize it.

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RE: Time Wasters - 3/12/2015 8:02:22 AM   
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Also I think locale plays into this. If I ever get to meet friends where I am I'm probably going to be more guarded. I live in a very very small town and I am well known and own a vanilla business. Personally i never make plans to meet anyone right now cause it would be weird for me and I'd be paranoid. I'm sure others feel the same way though. Fear of "outing" is real and valid- to me it would be more polite to decline meeting with someone- but maybe they get afraid at the end and don't show because of that?

Without your profile OP I'm not sure where you live or if it has a kink community so it's hard to say that's what's happening.

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RE: Time Wasters - 3/12/2015 8:25:20 AM   
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Also I think locale plays into this. If I ever get to meet friends where I am I'm probably going to be more guarded. I live in a very very small town and I am well known and own a vanilla business. Personally i never make plans to meet anyone right now cause it would be weird for me and I'd be paranoid. I'm sure others feel the same way though. Fear of "outing" is real and valid- to me it would be more polite to decline meeting with someone- but maybe they get afraid at the end and don't show because of that?

Without your profile OP I'm not sure where you live or if it has a kink community so it's hard to say that's what's happening.


I agree, and it's also a matter of personalities. I just don't trust people who have shown themselves to be untrustworthy by my standard. However I definitely do not flake, I would always make my position clear on the matter and I'm not going to be placed in a situation where I have to go along to get along. So far it's working out great. I don't have a lot of unnecessary drama in my life and my friends are well chosen.

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RE: Time Wasters - 3/12/2015 10:02:06 AM   
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This is a fast reply.

There is a thread about this that is well worth reading.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4540577/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#4540577

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RE: Time Wasters - 3/12/2015 10:10:35 AM   
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Since we have several Dominant women stating that it is not uncommon for male submissive's to pull "disappearing acts", is it common that many submissive women don't show up, when meeting Dominant's also?

Unfortunately, no.

The "unfortunately" part does not apply to all those wonderful women I have met that were sane and had a balanced personality. I have been lucky in that many of the girls I have met were not total batshit crazy crackpots. However, far too often they show up because they are chasing a fantasy that does not play out in real life and I have a reputation as a sadist. Which somehow equates to serial killer in their mind and in person they confess their impossible desires once they see I am as attractive in real life as I am in photos. My charm puts them at ease and then out pops the "cut my arms and legs off, keep my torso in a cage for gang bangs so I can get pregnant spitting out babies while hanging by my breasts from meat hooks as nuns poop on me when you aren't using me as a hucow in my spare time . . . every day, for the rest of my life". This being confessed by them as they puddle on the restaurant furniture or my office desk.

Admittedly, I grouped several peoples desires into one large scenario and I left out the, "remove my teeth, cut my cancerous tits off, flay me alive, crucify me with nails" and the all too frequent confessions that they "aren't really a slave or even that submissive" but figured I was like most Doms and just wanted sex if she would pretend to be my submissive in public.

So . . . unfortunately, of the dozens of girls I have met from online, only one was a no show. Fortunately the good ones show up too, so it's all worth wild. Don't get me wrong. Batshit crazy makes for one hell of lunch date as mom explains that she wants you to "make her teenage daughter a slave too, train the daughter real good sexually" so I can "sell her off to another Dom when she gets good enough because mom would eventually get jealous." Nothing goes better with soup and a sandwich like some light conversation about underage incest and white slavery ya' know.


Jesus H. Christ.

No wonder so many men I chat with on this site tell me I'm "refreshingly normal".

Let's see, I read your profile. Your fist value is "intellect", you are here because you "enjoy kink" butyou are not kink-centric or fixated because "It is not the only reason I am on this site." You comprehend the difference between a "submissive personality" and being submissive in the lifestyle. You want someone to "share my interests, values and respect my goals." You like "Dating, growing to know and trust." You know what style BDSM relationship you want and you are sane enough to be employed.

You have real human interests like "reading, movies, dining out, visiting museums, travel, theater and cooking." You enjoy service like cooking and "serving them to a loving, caring man." So you are self aware, tell us what you seek, give a notion of who you are as a person and talk a little about what you offer a potential partner.

Yuppers, I didn't see one thing about stapling your lips shut and spendingthe rest of my life waiting on you and caring for your every need by serving your fantasy while you were locking you in a cage full of midgets for the rest of your life.

You are a flower in the garden indeed.


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RE: Time Wasters - 3/12/2015 10:30:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


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ORIGINAL: Marini
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
Unfortunately, no. . .


Great post as usual RS.
After reading this, many people should be "glad" that the person they were supposed to meet did not show.
I would venture to guess that many "no shows", are not anyone that they would want to meet anyway.
If you are that "put off", frightened, unsure, or whatever, who wants to meet you anyway?

I am often glad when people disappear, run-away, or flake off early, so that I wasted less time dealing with them.

I suspect a lot of no shows are because they are just harboring a passing sexual fantasy, not a real desire. When faced with the reality of face to face meeting, they just can't do it. I'm reaching a bit with this example but . . . a Domme friend got tired of all the castration fantasies she was getting from some Yahoo group. So she would says yes. Then tell them that she has a sadistic friend (me) that would be glad to do it while she supervises and stuck them on the phone with me. I would ask them if they wanted to be iced down, anesthetized on go cold turkey so they could sacrifice their balls and their to their Mistress as a gift. I would ask about what kind of closures they wanted and if they thought they could properly maintain the aftercare of surgical staples . . . yup, faced with the reality of a guy they believed would really cut their balls off shut them up in a hurry. I think I ruined about 3 or 4 guys wet dreams.

So when fantasies meet reality, those without a true desire and are just harboring a passing sexual whim, they go running for the hills.


I don't think this is just about this particular lifestyle, per se.

I haven't experienced a no-show in quite a while until recently, but I think it's a matter of time invested, before a meeting is set up. For me, I insist upon some kind of vocal communication. This isn't for "verification". This is because I find I get a better feel for someone (if they're really on-board, if they may not be entirely honest, etc.), if I can hear their voice. There is too much possibility of deception, when using a text medium. Also, there are so many nuances of vocal communication that add more information to the mix (is the person sarcastic? Very quite?).

On rare occasions, when I can be persuaded to do so, I will not set aside more than 30 minutes (including driving time) to meet with someone with whom I haven't spoken. This has worked out very well for me.

As for all the people that treat voice communication as "the holiest of holies"? Two thoughts that I have found to be true:

A) They are "time wasters" (I think it could be chalked up to fear or, as RS stated; the reality smacking them in the face)
2) If they value their voice, that much where they're going to make me jump through hoops to hear it, they're probably not a very good match for me (because that's the first of many hoops through which they'll be expecting me to jump).



Michael



I agree. Investing a little time in a couple of calls is always a good bet. I don't want to meet someone I know nothing about. I have to talk to them and the chemistry has be what makes me want to meet them in person. The nuances in someones voice are very telling and can either turn me on or put me off. I don't want to drag out weeks or months worth of chatting. But, I like to have a few phone calls and ask "20 questions". If there is chemistry and 20 questions shows common interests, goals and no red flags, then we meet.

I have noticed in the 20 questions that if who they say they are doesn't line up with what they have done or where they want to go, they are probably just chasing a fantasy. It's not something that has been or is currently part of their life. The newbee with light slap and tickle BDSM experience and a few months D/s who now wants to be a "true" slave 24/7 with extreme S&M tortures from a sadistic Master is probably a bad bet. Who knows what they will want to be next month... a fireman, an astronaut or a vanilla housewife? If they have no self awareness, they usually don't have the prowess to be aware of you needs too.

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RE: Time Wasters - 3/12/2015 2:37:39 PM   
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I seem to attract every fake on this site, they contact me, want chat and when I set up a meeting time and place they either dont show up or always have an excuse why they cant meet with me. This is really getting old and Im just plain sick of it, any others experiencing the same thing? I have hidden my profile so I can take a break from this crap.

I've only bothered to meet three people, and they're all fantastic.
The rest must be the fakes.
:)

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RE: Time Wasters - 3/12/2015 3:05:26 PM   
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i havent met any fakes either. real people who are lying, cheating on their wives and girlfriends, live in fantasy land, and those who dont have a solitary good intention outside of their own self serving purposes, yes. but no fakes. i find the truth really is stranger than fiction.

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RE: Time Wasters - 3/12/2015 7:34:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: shiftyw
Also I think locale plays into this. If I ever get to meet friends where I am I'm probably going to be more guarded. I live in a very very small town and I am well known and own a vanilla business. Personally i never make plans to meet anyone right now cause it would be weird for me and I'd be paranoid. I'm sure others feel the same way though. Fear of "outing" is real and valid- to me it would be more polite to decline meeting with someone- but maybe they get afraid at the end and don't show because of that?


I was worried about that before I became active in my community. These seem to be to me very much "it's my first day" issues. Do it a few time and I expect anyone would figure out what they were and were not comfortable with and there would be no reason for the last minute flaking.

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RE: Time Wasters - 3/12/2015 7:37:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanctions

I seem to attract every fake on this site, they contact me, want chat and when I set up a meeting time and place they either dont show up or always have an excuse why they cant meet with me. This is really getting old and Im just plain sick of it, any others experiencing the same thing? I have hidden my profile so I can take a break from this crap.


Make plans to meet up somewhere you are going to be anyway that way you'll be assured of a good time regardless.


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RE: Time Wasters - 3/12/2015 7:40:38 PM   
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Yah, I mean that's kinda what I'm getting at. I could see it being nerves if its their first time. Or even one of their first few times...

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RE: Time Wasters - 3/12/2015 7:49:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanctions

I seem to attract every fake on this site, they contact me, want chat and when I set up a meeting time and place they either dont show up or always have an excuse why they cant meet with me. This is really getting old and Im just plain sick of it, any others experiencing the same thing? I have hidden my profile so I can take a break from this crap.


This site(or just the Internet in general) is pretty notorious for that. When I'm meeting people I would say 1 out of 10 actually show up. So I got into the habit of scheduling a bunch at once.... I would hang out at the local park or coffee shop and tell everyone who had asked me to pick a day to meet the time I would be there. Then if they don't show, no biggy... occasionally more than one would show and that got interesting a couple of times but usually ended in good humors. I don't even consider people to 'actually exist' until I meet them, because I rely heavily on my ability to read people's emotions to understand them and since I can't do that in text I can't for any sort of connection.... so people get one chance to meet me or they admit to being comfortable with me considering them on part with being a figment of my imagination. People back out because they are scared,I have no room for fear in my life so second chances aren't a thing. There are plenty of fish in the sea, that just means you have to spend that much more time throwing back the feeders.

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RE: Time Wasters - 3/12/2015 8:48:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: shiftyw
Yah, I mean that's kinda what I'm getting at. I could see it being nerves if its their first time. Or even one of their first few times...


This is my thought, that in this regard men and women aren't terribly different, it's just that do to the 4:1 m:F ratio, Domme's run across male subs having their first day with greater frequency.

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RE: Time Wasters - 3/12/2015 9:14:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

This is my thought, that in this regard men and women aren't terribly different,
it's just that do to the 4:1 m:F ratio, Domme's run across male subs having their first day with greater frequency.



Ergo the countless female subs complaining about male FinDoms.

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RE: Time Wasters - 3/13/2015 1:09:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

This is my thought, that in this regard men and women aren't terribly different,
it's just that do to the 4:1 m:F ratio, Domme's run across male subs having their first day with greater frequency.


Ergo the countless female subs complaining about male FinDoms.


Once again are you capable of coming up with an argument that does not rely upon name calling or emotional coercion to prop it up?

My model explains this difference thusly: "4:1" and having accounted for such differences allows me to draw valid and useful comparisons between m and f. What is your model? Besides snark are there any arguments for it?

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RE: Time Wasters - 3/13/2015 2:29:16 PM   
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We have two threads that seem to be hotly debated over similar things and some of you are pushing the limits of snark and gold mail.

Tone it down please and that means each side of the debate. I'm starting to see more horns than halos.

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RE: Time Wasters - 3/13/2015 2:56:31 PM   
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I never name called anyone GotSteel, the same way you never seem to have the capacity to be truthful. And I shall M3.

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RE: Time Wasters - 3/13/2015 2:58:41 PM   
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*One can fear but it is just plain rude to delete your profile or refuse to explain your absence at a meeting. *

Oh, absolutely, because, you know, people owe you lots of shit as a Domme.

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RE: Time Wasters - 3/14/2015 11:00:32 AM   
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I think that's an accurate depiction of what goes on in a sub's mind at times.

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RE: Time Wasters - 3/14/2015 9:03:26 PM   
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