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jerry292 -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 2:39:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kittenluv954 quote: ORIGINAL: jerry292 Brings up an interesting thought reading some of these replies... If a man was truly submissive, wouldnt he have a more passive personality? He's not likely to be the one that runs laps around a bar asking any woman out he can until one happens to say yes. If someone is sending multiple e-mails a day to 50 different women, I wouldn't think that kind of aggression would be a hallmark of a "submissive." Instead, a real sub would be the one that sends one single thoughtful email that he had to work up courage to send. (Unfortunately, his message will likely be lost in the pile.) I mean it just seems like a personality mismatch to be THAT aggressive while saying you are submissive. sounds like someone got "shy and timid, meek type who walks around quietly with downcast eyes" confused with submission. If you like aggressive people chasing you, that's your business. Im just saying there is a mismatch in personality there. Don't whine when he starts to "top from the bottom."

Wayward5oul -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 3:33:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jerry292 Brings up an interesting thought reading some of these replies... If a man was truly submissive, wouldnt he have a more passive personality? He's not likely to be the one that runs laps around a bar asking any woman out he can until one happens to say yes. If someone is sending multiple e-mails a day to 50 different women, I wouldn't think that kind of aggression would be a hallmark of a "submissive." Instead, a real sub would be the one that sends one single thoughtful email that he had to work up courage to send. (Unfortunately, his message will likely be lost in the pile.) I mean it just seems like a personality mismatch to be THAT aggressive while saying you are submissive. Submissive does not mean that a person can't take the initiative, in dating, relationships, work, life, etc. They are not wallflowers or doormats or too shy to go after something they want. Just because someone is submissive does not mean that they are more focused, or thoughtful, or patient than the next. Thinking otherwise is ignorant stereotyping.

Wayward5oul -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 3:50:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MathewIndio quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP However, you have made it clear that you don't care how women feel by invalidating everything a woman says including telling her a guy isn't creepy when she tells you he is. Your assessment is not more important than ours. Nor should it be. Yet you consistently act and speak in such a manner. Honestly, to me, that's creepy. You telling me some guy isn't creepy when I think he is also tells me that you will ignore my hard limits because you believe they are as invalid as my feelings are to you. I know women who go to their email boxes, click all the emails and deletes them (Deleted, Unread). They wave their hands and say, "All these men are creeps, pervs, etc." Then they ask why can't they find a good man? My one friend let me look at her emails before deleting them. I ask her, "Why is this guy creepy? He looks normal to me." How can these women know they are creepy without even looking at their profiles or reading their emails? You are accusing me of not caring how women feel, I invalidate women because I'm curious how does she know all these men are creeps and pervs without even looking at their profiles or emails. How is it I'm ignoring your hard limits? Would you be so kind as to tell everyone on the forum how do you know all these men are creepy and pervs without looking at their profiles or reading their emails? Unless you are physically sitting there watching them delete the emails, then you don't know what gets deleted without being read. On this site, I can hover over a new email notification and see some or all of the content, without ever opening it up. And yes, I have deleted several emails that I have received, after reading the first few lines and determining that the sender was a creep. They got a 'deleted without being read' notification, but it was read. I state in very plain language in my profile that I am not interested in interactions that involve long distance. There is no way that someone could read my profile and not be absolutely clear that that is basically a hard limit for me. Yet I get countless emails from men from the next state, the next country, the other side of the world. Men who think that they should have the opportunity to enlighten me as to what I am missing. They think that I should disregard my own preferences in favor of theirs. In doing so, they have invalidated my own preferences, and are pushing themselves on me. It may not be a physical violation of my limits, but consider this-someone who does not understand a 'not interested' online is not going to heed 'no' in the bedroom. They get deleted. I will not apologize for 'dismissing' someone so quickly when they first dismissed my own feelings and preferences.

jerry292 -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 4:17:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: jerry292 Brings up an interesting thought reading some of these replies... If a man was truly submissive, wouldnt he have a more passive personality? He's not likely to be the one that runs laps around a bar asking any woman out he can until one happens to say yes. If someone is sending multiple e-mails a day to 50 different women, I wouldn't think that kind of aggression would be a hallmark of a "submissive." Instead, a real sub would be the one that sends one single thoughtful email that he had to work up courage to send. (Unfortunately, his message will likely be lost in the pile.) I mean it just seems like a personality mismatch to be THAT aggressive while saying you are submissive. Submissive does not mean that a person can't take the initiative, in dating, relationships, work, life, etc. They are not wallflowers or doormats or too shy to go after something they want. Just because someone is submissive does not mean that they are more focused, or thoughtful, or patient than the next. Thinking otherwise is ignorant stereotyping. So when you have an inbox full of these people, who probably sent the same exact message to 20 other women, you shouldn't complain. They are taking the initiative to get what they want.

Wayward5oul -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 4:26:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jerry292 quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: jerry292 Brings up an interesting thought reading some of these replies... If a man was truly submissive, wouldnt he have a more passive personality? He's not likely to be the one that runs laps around a bar asking any woman out he can until one happens to say yes. If someone is sending multiple e-mails a day to 50 different women, I wouldn't think that kind of aggression would be a hallmark of a "submissive." Instead, a real sub would be the one that sends one single thoughtful email that he had to work up courage to send. (Unfortunately, his message will likely be lost in the pile.) I mean it just seems like a personality mismatch to be THAT aggressive while saying you are submissive. Submissive does not mean that a person can't take the initiative, in dating, relationships, work, life, etc. They are not wallflowers or doormats or too shy to go after something they want. Just because someone is submissive does not mean that they are more focused, or thoughtful, or patient than the next. Thinking otherwise is ignorant stereotyping. So when you have an inbox full of these people, who probably sent the same exact message to 20 other women, you shouldn't complain. They are taking the initiative to get what they want. i am not the one complaining here. I get those messages, I use my delete button. I move on.

Kittenluv954 -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 4:26:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jerry292 quote: ORIGINAL: Kittenluv954 quote: ORIGINAL: jerry292 Brings up an interesting thought reading some of these replies... If a man was truly submissive, wouldnt he have a more passive personality? He's not likely to be the one that runs laps around a bar asking any woman out he can until one happens to say yes. If someone is sending multiple e-mails a day to 50 different women, I wouldn't think that kind of aggression would be a hallmark of a "submissive." Instead, a real sub would be the one that sends one single thoughtful email that he had to work up courage to send. (Unfortunately, his message will likely be lost in the pile.) I mean it just seems like a personality mismatch to be THAT aggressive while saying you are submissive. sounds like someone got "shy and timid, meek type who walks around quietly with downcast eyes" confused with submission. If you like aggressive people chasing you, that's your business. Im just saying there is a mismatch in personality there. Don't whine when he starts to "top from the bottom." im a sub. there is no such thing as a man topping me from the bottom, dudebro.

sexyred1 -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 4:42:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MathewIndio quote: ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub ok, read the entire thing, and I gotta say, I think nearly every person who posted to this thread is discussing a different subject. I do believe the OP has been given a bad rap though. I didn't see anything he posted that deserved the viciousness he has received. Now off to nap, it's been real though. Thank you. I do read people making negative comments about women but for some reason some people are thinking I'm saying these things. People are bringing up different issues, and although I have commented on some, they were not the issues I brought forth. Yet, some people think I brought them forth. All the sudden some people are making an issue that I'm white, single and straight. Would they feel differently if I was a different race, other than single, not straight? You are thanking her because she supports you. There has been little to no viciousness towards this you with the possible exception of my using the word fuck, which is not vicious or snarky, just colorful and used to adamantly express one's frustration with posters who are inflexible. What has been on this thread is this: Really smart women who with clarity and being able to articulate have replied to your question in insightful detail. You, in every response only responded like an automaton, never actually engaging in the level of discourse with these women. You say people are bringing up other topics beyond your original question. Most topics like yours do end up with some tangential aspects, because you know, that's what smart people do. You cannot control how replies go in your thread. You seem unable to grasp anything that women have told you, despite the myriad ways in which you have been told, thus you will not learn the answer to your question. Your initial question is based on a false assumption, which again had been answered ad nauseum.

GoddessManko -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 5:52:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jerry292 Brings up an interesting thought reading some of these replies... If a man was truly submissive, wouldnt he have a more passive personality? He's not likely to be the one that runs laps around a bar asking any woman out he can until one happens to say yes. If someone is sending multiple e-mails a day to 50 different women, I wouldn't think that kind of aggression would be a hallmark of a "submissive." Instead, a real sub would be the one that sends one single thoughtful email that he had to work up courage to send. (Unfortunately, his message will likely be lost in the pile.) I mean it just seems like a personality mismatch to be THAT aggressive while saying you are submissive. LOL wut? Firstly being a womanizer isn't being "aggressive". It's being a womanizer. Submissive men do tend to be mannerly in regards to the woman he adores but can probably give a fuck less about any one else unless his Domme requires it of him. He can also be extremely alpha in his day to day. And typically are. Submission is a form of "release" from that. Literally the only difference between Domme and sub is Top and bottom and then there's all that grey area of preferences, likes, dislikes, methods etc.

SeekingTrinity -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 6:09:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MathewIndio quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP However, you have made it clear that you don't care how women feel by invalidating everything a woman says including telling her a guy isn't creepy when she tells you he is. Your assessment is not more important than ours. Nor should it be. Yet you consistently act and speak in such a manner. Honestly, to me, that's creepy. You telling me some guy isn't creepy when I think he is also tells me that you will ignore my hard limits because you believe they are as invalid as my feelings are to you. I know women who go to their email boxes, click all the emails and deletes them (Deleted, Unread). They wave their hands and say, "All these men are creeps, pervs, etc." Then they ask why can't they find a good man? My one friend let me look at her emails before deleting them. I ask her, "Why is this guy creepy? He looks normal to me." How can these women know they are creepy without even looking at their profiles or reading their emails? You are accusing me of not caring how women feel, I invalidate women because I'm curious how does she know all these men are creeps and pervs without even looking at their profiles or emails. How is it I'm ignoring your hard limits? Would you be so kind as to tell everyone on the forum how do you know all these men are creepy and pervs without looking at their profiles or reading their emails? I keep coming back to the same thing, OP. Since it is their life, their emails, and their choice as far as who they date goes...why do you feel like you have any say in it whatsoever? What honestly do you feel gives you the right to question something that has absolutely nothing to do with you? If someone elects to ignore everyone who messages them and then complain about not finding someone, that's really on them to do anything about it. She waves her hand, declares those who emailed her creepy, and deletes en masse? Not your business She wants to not reply to anyone who emails her? Not your business She will not reply to anyone who uses the letter P in their screen name? Not your business She feels that these people aren't a match, while you think they are fine? Her choice, not yours And for the record, the fact that I have a vagina doesn't grant me greater opportunities as far as dating and relationships goes. Just as your penis doesn't automatically sentence you to lessened opportunities.

MathewIndio -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 7:02:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity I keep coming back to the same thing, OP. Since it is their life, their emails, and their choice as far as who they date goes...why do you feel like you have any say in it whatsoever? I never did say I have any say in what women do. I was wondering if people thought women have more opportunities than men with online dating sites. What honestly do you feel gives you the right to question something that has absolutely nothing to do with you? I'm asking if people think women have more opportunities than men with online dating sites. If that's your attitude, you could go to anyone who asks questions on the forums and say the same thing. The forum is an opportunity to ask questions and get other people's responses. If someone elects to ignore everyone who messages them and then complain about not finding someone, that's really on them to do anything about it. You're absolutely right. She waves her hand, declares those who emailed her creepy, and deletes en masse? Not your business I never said it was any of my business. I was asking how do women know that all these men are creeps and pervs if they don't even look at their profiles or read their emails. The forum is an opportunity to as questions, bring up issues, and get peoples responses. She wants to not reply to anyone who emails her? Not your business I never said it was any of my business. Again, I was asking a question on the forum. She will not reply to anyone who uses the letter P in their screen name? Not your business I never said it was any of my business. I never even brought this up. She feels that these people aren't a match, while you think they are fine? Her choice, not yours You are right it is her choice. And for the record, the fact that I have a vagina doesn't grant me greater opportunities as far as dating and relationships goes. Just as your penis doesn't automatically sentence you to lessened opportunities. I'm beginning to realize this.

SeekingTrinity -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 7:20:35 PM)
It's called examples to illustrate a point, homie...NOT direct quotes. If I was quoting you or anyone else, Id use the quote feature. An example: quote: ORIGINAL: MathewIndio I go to a BDSM club and have several friends there. I was talking to a woman who was complaining about all the spam, fakes and perverts on dating sites. She showed me her account on match.com and her mailbox was flooded with men wanting to meet her. I looked at their profiles and they seemed like normal men. I asked her, "What about him?" "What about this guy?" She would say, "Eckk!! No!" "He looks creepy." With one swoop with her hand, she called them all creepy, pervs, etc. Including this site. The reason women complain is because they don't give anyone a chance. I realize that a lot of men just want sex, but not all do. Many want an authentic relationship. Don't you think that women have more OPPORTUNITY then men on dating sites? The answer to your question: No And my statement still stands. What she chooses to do with her emails or anything involving her dating choices is Noneya....as in None Ya Business

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 7:51:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HoneyBears quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie Absolutely but....they have tits. You lose. Don't forget, they also have 3 holes, and the one with the pussy RULES. Quadruple loss, OP. (Logging off now before my Mistress comes in here and smacks me upside the head.... Cub) Just remember....we got the cash :)

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 8:02:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MathewIndio quote: ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity I keep coming back to the same thing, OP. Since it is their life, their emails, and their choice as far as who they date goes...why do you feel like you have any say in it whatsoever? I never did say I have any say in what women do. I was wondering if people thought women have more opportunities than men with online dating sites. What honestly do you feel gives you the right to question something that has absolutely nothing to do with you? I'm asking if people think women have more opportunities than men with online dating sites. If that's your attitude, you could go to anyone who asks questions on the forums and say the same thing. The forum is an opportunity to ask questions and get other people's responses. If someone elects to ignore everyone who messages them and then complain about not finding someone, that's really on them to do anything about it. You're absolutely right. She waves her hand, declares those who emailed her creepy, and deletes en masse? Not your business I never said it was any of my business. I was asking how do women know that all these men are creeps and pervs if they don't even look at their profiles or read their emails. The forum is an opportunity to as questions, bring up issues, and get peoples responses. She wants to not reply to anyone who emails her? Not your business I never said it was any of my business. Again, I was asking a question on the forum. She will not reply to anyone who uses the letter P in their screen name? Not your business I never said it was any of my business. I never even brought this up. She feels that these people aren't a match, while you think they are fine? Her choice, not yours You are right it is her choice. And for the record, the fact that I have a vagina doesn't grant me greater opportunities as far as dating and relationships goes. Just as your penis doesn't automatically sentence you to lessened opportunities. I'm beginning to realize this. Chickee....are you fucking INSANE IN THE BRAIN????? You have a pussy and tata's. You get free dinners, your doors opened, a flower or 12....you may not want them from the fellow (or gal) who buys them for you but baby.....you control the fucking game!!!! Mathew is being a sweetheart and highly respectful (not something I'm all that well known for). WTF???? Over???? Women control the ENTIRE game!!!! You guys can bitch all you want about 72 cents on the dollar but....get this....the reason we (guys) hang off of buildings (in VERY precarious positions) is to get PUSSY!!! We don't have pussy. We want pussy. We will climb walls, mountains and, even go to other fucking planets.....to get women to give us pussy. Let me be extraordinarily clear about this particular aspect; We can purchase all kinds of stuff that replicates pussy....but it doesn't smell like you, laugh like you, wear a dress like you. So...before you insert into your brain as fact that "Just as your penis doesn't automatically sentence you to lessened opportunities"....be clear.....you have a pussy. Rocks/paper/scissors. Pussy. (Pussy always wins).

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 8:03:37 PM)
(Fuuuuuck).

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 8:05:13 PM)
(I'm fairly certain the clue store is still open).

sexyred1 -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 8:26:00 PM)
[sm=beatdeadhorse.gif][sm=beatdeadhorse.gif] quote: ORIGINAL: MathewIndio quote: ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity I keep coming back to the same thing, OP. Since it is their life, their emails, and their choice as far as who they date goes...why do you feel like you have any say in it whatsoever? I never did say I have any say in what women do. I was wondering if people thought women have more opportunities than men with online dating sites. What honestly do you feel gives you the right to question something that has absolutely nothing to do with you? I'm asking if people think women have more opportunities than men with online dating sites. If that's your attitude, you could go to anyone who asks questions on the forums and say the same thing. The forum is an opportunity to ask questions and get other people's responses. If someone elects to ignore everyone who messages them and then complain about not finding someone, that's really on them to do anything about it. You're absolutely right. She waves her hand, declares those who emailed her creepy, and deletes en masse? Not your business I never said it was any of my business. I was asking how do women know that all these men are creeps and pervs if they don't even look at their profiles or read their emails. The forum is an opportunity to as questions, bring up issues, and get peoples responses. She wants to not reply to anyone who emails her? Not your business I never said it was any of my business. Again, I was asking a question on the forum. She will not reply to anyone who uses the letter P in their screen name? Not your business I never said it was any of my business. I never even brought this up. She feels that these people aren't a match, while you think they are fine? Her choice, not yours You are right it is her choice. And for the record, the fact that I have a vagina doesn't grant me greater opportunities as far as dating and relationships goes. Just as your penis doesn't automatically sentence you to lessened opportunities. I'm beginning to realize this.

SeekingTrinity -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 8:45:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie quote: ORIGINAL: MathewIndio quote: ORIGINAL: SeekingTrinity I keep coming back to the same thing, OP. Since it is their life, their emails, and their choice as far as who they date goes...why do you feel like you have any say in it whatsoever? I never did say I have any say in what women do. I was wondering if people thought women have more opportunities than men with online dating sites. What honestly do you feel gives you the right to question something that has absolutely nothing to do with you? I'm asking if people think women have more opportunities than men with online dating sites. If that's your attitude, you could go to anyone who asks questions on the forums and say the same thing. The forum is an opportunity to ask questions and get other people's responses. If someone elects to ignore everyone who messages them and then complain about not finding someone, that's really on them to do anything about it. You're absolutely right. She waves her hand, declares those who emailed her creepy, and deletes en masse? Not your business I never said it was any of my business. I was asking how do women know that all these men are creeps and pervs if they don't even look at their profiles or read their emails. The forum is an opportunity to as questions, bring up issues, and get peoples responses. She wants to not reply to anyone who emails her? Not your business I never said it was any of my business. Again, I was asking a question on the forum. She will not reply to anyone who uses the letter P in their screen name? Not your business I never said it was any of my business. I never even brought this up. She feels that these people aren't a match, while you think they are fine? Her choice, not yours You are right it is her choice. And for the record, the fact that I have a vagina doesn't grant me greater opportunities as far as dating and relationships goes. Just as your penis doesn't automatically sentence you to lessened opportunities. I'm beginning to realize this. Chickee....are you fucking INSANE IN THE BRAIN????? You have a pussy and tata's. You get free dinners, your doors opened, a flower or 12....you may not want them from the fellow (or gal) who buys them for you but baby.....you control the fucking game!!!! Mathew is being a sweetheart and highly respectful (not something I'm all that well known for). WTF???? Over???? Women control the ENTIRE game!!!! You guys can bitch all you want about 72 cents on the dollar but....get this....the reason we (guys) hang off of buildings (in VERY precarious positions) is to get PUSSY!!! We don't have pussy. We want pussy. We will climb walls, mountains and, even go to other fucking planets.....to get women to give us pussy. Let me be extraordinarily clear about this particular aspect; We can purchase all kinds of stuff that replicates pussy....but it doesn't smell like you, laugh like you, wear a dress like you. So...before you insert into your brain as fact that "Just as your penis doesn't automatically sentence you to lessened opportunities"....be clear.....you have a pussy. Rocks/paper/scissors. Pussy. (Pussy always wins). You can believe what you want to believe. But it isn't the magical and all-powerful orifice you seem to think it is.

Baroana -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 10:05:57 PM)
Pussy is everywhere. It's not scarce, so there's no supply/demand situation from which women would draw power. If there was, you might see a wage gap favoring women instead of men.

HoneyBears -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/19/2015 11:04:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jerry292 Brings up an interesting thought reading some of these replies... If a man was truly submissive, wouldnt he have a more passive personality? Erm, No. If you think dominant women want an mindless, spineless zombie-like automaton with no initiative, you are deluded to the max. Stop watching so much FemDom porn. Seriously, bud. Just give it a rest before you lose your last remaining brain cell.[8\|] quote: He's not likely to be the one that runs laps around a bar asking any woman out he can until one happens to say yes. Not unless he is a knuckle-dragging moron who has no game. One who cannot keep his dick in his pants. This has nothing to do with being a submissive male. quote: If someone is sending multiple e-mails a day to 50 different women, I wouldn't think that kind of aggression would be a hallmark of a "submissive." Instead, a real sub would be the one that sends one single thoughtful email that he had to work up courage to send. (Unfortunately, his message will likely be lost in the pile.) I believe the definition of compulsively repetitious behavior that keeps ending up with the same results or lack of results ... is called i.n.s.a.n.i.t.y.[8D] How you can view hamster wheel-like spam churning as aggression, is beyond me. Aggression, aggressiveness, neither are remotely applicable, and you must mean hyperactive or frenetic activity instead. That sounds like an attention deficit or some other disorder to me, which does not resemble submissiveness in the slightest. Then you imply that a "real sub" lacks courage? What color is the sky on your planet? Being a little nervous, is no biggie and only human. Again, having nothing to do with being submissive or not being submissive. O.k., I'll be totally serious with you now. First of all, the OP is a Dom, not a sub. Secondly, I won my Mistress over with my charming sense of humor and upbeat personality. I am not bragging either. I literally did not give up until I had patiently persuaded her that I knew I was what she was looking for, that she had not found yet in all the lackluster subs and slaves she had sifted through with a fine tooth comb. It was not by acting obnoxious or less than gentlemanly either. It was by showing her that I was the right man for her as a partner in all aspects, and then by offering her my submission when the time came AFTER we had developed a friendly rapport and relationship with one another. quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie We don't have pussy. We want pussy. We will climb walls, mountains and, even go to other fucking planets.....to get women to give us pussy. Let me be extraordinarily clear about this particular aspect; We can purchase all kinds of stuff that replicates pussy....but it doesn't smell like you, laugh like you, wear a dress like you. (Pussy always wins). I'm with you, Lookie, on this. Pussy does not have to be scarce to be precious and valuable. And when it belongs to the woman you desire above all others, hers is the rarest find there is. Like striking the Mother lode of gold rushes. (Edited for Freudian slip)

NookieNotes -> RE: Women Have So Much More Opportunity (3/20/2015 2:39:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kittenluv954 quote: ORIGINAL: jerry292 Brings up an interesting thought reading some of these replies... If a man was truly submissive, wouldnt he have a more passive personality? He's not likely to be the one that runs laps around a bar asking any woman out he can until one happens to say yes. If someone is sending multiple e-mails a day to 50 different women, I wouldn't think that kind of aggression would be a hallmark of a "submissive." Instead, a real sub would be the one that sends one single thoughtful email that he had to work up courage to send. (Unfortunately, his message will likely be lost in the pile.) I mean it just seems like a personality mismatch to be THAT aggressive while saying you are submissive. sounds like someone got "shy and timid, meek type who walks around quietly with downcast eyes" confused with submission. Yes. This. ^^^ Submissive is being able to open yourself to another to be lead. It has NOTHING to do with extroversion/introversion or outgoing/shy. quote: ORIGINAL: jerry292 If you like aggressive people chasing you, that's your business. Im just saying there is a mismatch in personality there. Don't whine when he starts to "top from the bottom." First, this comes across as bitter. Sounds like a nerve was struck. Second, topping from the bottom means that the bottom/sub/slave has taken the lead, the the top/Dom/Master is no longer in control. That does not happen with me, nor does it happen with any other competent Top/Dom/Master I know. Why? Because we have experience, and do not allow even aggressive subs (actually my preference) to take control away. Anyone whining about topping from the bottom is really (in my view) whining about their lack of ability to lead. quote: ORIGINAL: jerry292 quote: ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul quote: ORIGINAL: jerry292 Brings up an interesting thought reading some of these replies... If a man was truly submissive, wouldnt he have a more passive personality? He's not likely to be the one that runs laps around a bar asking any woman out he can until one happens to say yes. If someone is sending multiple e-mails a day to 50 different women, I wouldn't think that kind of aggression would be a hallmark of a "submissive." Instead, a real sub would be the one that sends one single thoughtful email that he had to work up courage to send. (Unfortunately, his message will likely be lost in the pile.) I mean it just seems like a personality mismatch to be THAT aggressive while saying you are submissive. Submissive does not mean that a person can't take the initiative, in dating, relationships, work, life, etc. They are not wallflowers or doormats or too shy to go after something they want. Just because someone is submissive does not mean that they are more focused, or thoughtful, or patient than the next. Thinking otherwise is ignorant stereotyping. So when you have an inbox full of these people, who probably sent the same exact message to 20 other women, you shouldn't complain. They are taking the initiative to get what they want. Wow, you went from slightly off-base to full-blown wrong headed in two posts, and now you're continuing your losing streak. Are you really that hurt by the idea that some submissives do not have the apparent lack of social skills you think they should? You are obviously not good at this logic-ing thing. 1. Submissive means submissive, not weak, not shy, not insecure, not thoughtful. That why we have different words for those things. 2. On a site where "submissive" is the only option for people who like to get kinky things done to them (versus bottom, kinkster, hedonist, etc.), there are going to be many more submissive labels than are actually submissives. 3. Being submissive does not automatically make someone less of a jerk. 4. Receiving messages from jerks is no fun, whatever side of the slash they are on (or whatever sex they are).

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