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stef -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/20/2015 8:57:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Bullshit....you now have the wisdom,absent any post ,of divining my affections.
You must be all powerful as well as all full of shit

Nope, just got you confused with somebody else. My bad. Apologies. Here ya go:

>the minute you find any post of mine where I assert a need to ban and or confiscate guns,one little post...and you will have my word that I won't post on any future gun bans.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

We need serious gun control,we need to close the gun show loophole,we need an assault weapon ban,we need to outlaw large magazines,we need to micro stamp ammunition,we need to take a serious look at bio-metric technology for weapons yet to be manufactured .

K.


Check and mate.




slvemike4u -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/20/2015 9:03:34 PM)

Again where is confiscation or banning guns mentioned....surely you can do better than this.
This doesn't come close to the bar I set. That's not a coincidence either,since I don't advocate either position there is little chance of you finding any post wherein I say that.
Now if what you are looking for are posts where I suggested things you don't like...well there you go .
You found it,of course it's a big swing and miss,but hey at least you are trying [:D]



p.s Hint,banning any one class,or group ,is not equal to banning guns...and is miles away from confiscation.Which is an integral part of the position that thb postulated was mine




Kirata -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/20/2015 9:10:38 PM)


Nevermind... LOL
















Aylee -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/20/2015 9:57:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Are you suggesting I can mount a working artillery piece on my lawn ?
Can that be of whatever size I can afford ?


Not if it is crew-served, I think.

But I do believe that you can still own black powder cannon. I am not sure at what size it becomes a crew served weapon, of course. But since we are talking about what you can afford. . . I would not worry about it being too big for you.

Now. . . I am not sure what you local laws regarding stuff on lawns are. [:)]




You can have more than just black powder cannons. Up to and including modern pieces. However, there are a slew of laws that have to be complied with, including permitting requirements. Both the weapon and ammunition is usually cost prohibitive. Then there is the problem of finding a range to make it go boom for you.

Crew Served usually means that it is recommended for more than one person to operate the weapon. a 2 man crew served weapon usually means one to carry ammo and some components and the other to carry less ammo and larger components (by weight). One person can usually (dependent on the weight of the ammo and components) operate most crew served weapons. Most civil war cannons were considered crew served. realigning it after fireing was hard work.


I did not look it up and since I have never really looked into getting one I was going with my best recollection. After all, I need my tunnel system and towers set before I need to worry about it. [:)]




BamaD -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/20/2015 10:04:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Again where is confiscation or banning guns mentioned....surely you can do better than this.
This doesn't come close to the bar I set. That's not a coincidence either,since I don't advocate either position there is little chance of you finding any post wherein I say that.
Now if what you are looking for are posts where I suggested things you don't like...well there you go .
You found it,of course it's a big swing and miss,but hey at least you are trying [:D]



p.s Hint,banning any one class,or group ,is not equal to banning guns...and is miles away from confiscation.Which is an integral part of the position that thb postulated was mine

Hint once you can ban one class of guns you just keep redefining other guns as being of that class. Not one weapon banned by the original assault weapons ban was an assault weapon but some looked like an assault weapon, close enough.
You ban armor piercing ammunition then start claiming other ammunition as armor piercing even though it does not fit the definition.
They now want to ban all 5.56 ammo because some pistol has been chambered for it, ever hear of the buffalo bison, looks like a piece maker but chambered in 45-70 government. Dwarfs the 5.56 and neither handgun has ever been used against a police officer. However if we pretend hard enough we can say it is not banning all ammo just one type of very dangerous ammo, then keep redefining other ammo as fitting in that class. Not miles from confiscation, just inches.




slvemike4u -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/20/2015 11:06:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: stef


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Bullshit....you now have the wisdom,absent any post ,of divining my affections.
You must be all powerful as well as all full of shit

Nope, just got you confused with somebody else. My bad. Apologies. Here ya go:

>the minute you find any post of mine where I assert a need to ban and or confiscate guns,one little post...and you will have my word that I won't post on any future gun bans.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

We need serious gun control,we need to close the gun show loophole,we need an assault weapon ban,we need to outlaw large magazines,we need to micro stamp ammunition,we need to take a serious look at bio-metric technology for weapons yet to be manufactured .

K.


Check and mate.

Not even close....do you know how the game is played ?




slvemike4u -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/20/2015 11:09:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Again where is confiscation or banning guns mentioned....surely you can do better than this.
This doesn't come close to the bar I set. That's not a coincidence either,since I don't advocate either position there is little chance of you finding any post wherein I say that.
Now if what you are looking for are posts where I suggested things you don't like...well there you go .
You found it,of course it's a big swing and miss,but hey at least you are trying [:D]



p.s Hint,banning any one class,or group ,is not equal to banning guns...and is miles away from confiscation.Which is an integral part of the position that thb postulated was mine

Hint once you can ban one class of guns you just keep redefining other guns as being of that class. Not one weapon banned by the original assault weapons ban was an assault weapon but some looked like an assault weapon, close enough.
You ban armor piercing ammunition then start claiming other ammunition as armor piercing even though it does not fit the definition.
They now want to ban all 5.56 ammo because some pistol has been chambered for it, ever hear of the buffalo bison, looks like a piece maker but chambered in 45-70 government. Dwarfs the 5.56 and neither handgun has ever been used against a police officer. However if we pretend hard enough we can say it is not banning all ammo just one type of very dangerous ammo, then keep redefining other ammo as fitting in that class. Not miles from confiscation, just inches.

I know that is the boiler plate NRA default position....I don't happen to believe that's true....and since we are referring to my beliefs and viewpoints I get to make that call for me.
You guys do not get to define MY position




slvemike4u -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/20/2015 11:10:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


Nevermind... LOL














In other words....epic fail.
THB hasn't been back either,oh well.




Kirata -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/20/2015 11:39:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

In other words....epic fail.
THB hasn't been back either,oh well.

The foundation of all mental illness is the avoidance of legitimate suffering. ~C.G. Jung

K.




BitYakin -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/21/2015 2:24:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Are you suggesting I can mount a working artillery piece on my lawn ?
Can that be of whatever size I can afford ?


you do know, private citizens with the proper liscense can and do own such things, including tanks

I suggest you watch the TV show sons of guns sometime, people have brought MANY different pieces of artillery, self propelled guns and tanks to them to be placed in working order




BitYakin -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/21/2015 2:28:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Of course the number one threat to an American life,violence wise ,is another armed American....but why split hairs,eh ?
Unless your a child.... I've been told it's pools [:D]


actually NO its automobiles..




BitYakin -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/21/2015 2:46:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Again where is confiscation or banning guns mentioned....surely you can do better than this.
This doesn't come close to the bar I set. That's not a coincidence either,since I don't advocate either position there is little chance of you finding any post wherein I say that.
Now if what you are looking for are posts where I suggested things you don't like...well there you go .
You found it,of course it's a big swing and miss,but hey at least you are trying [:D]



p.s Hint,banning any one class,or group ,is not equal to banning guns...and is miles away from confiscation.Which is an integral part of the position that thb postulated was mine


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

While we are asking for links....please supply me with the link wherein I said no one in the country needs a gun.
You do that,and I will search for studies supporting my assertions.
We could make this interesting....the minute you find any post of mine where I assert a need to ban and or confiscate guns,one little post...and you will have my word that I won't post on any future gun bans.


an assault weapon is a gun which you advocated banning

and if you meant ALL guns, then MAYBE you should have said ALL GUNS,

ONE LITTLE POST YOU SAID, where you assert banning guns, sorry dude assault weapons are GUNS and you didn't assert it you FLAT OUT SAID IT

of course we can't MAKE you keep your word, that's a personal integrity issue!

on the other hand once you throw your integrity out the window there is no reason for anyone to take anything you ever say again seriously

your choice!

guess we're about to find out what your word is WORTH!




bounty44 -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/21/2015 3:32:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: stef


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Bullshit....you now have the wisdom,absent any post ,of divining my affections.
You must be all powerful as well as all full of shit

Nope, just got you confused with somebody else. My bad. Apologies. Here ya go:

>the minute you find any post of mine where I assert a need to ban and or confiscate guns,one little post...and you will have my word that I won't post on any future gun bans.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

We need serious gun control,we need to close the gun show loophole,we need an assault weapon ban,we need to outlaw large magazines,we need to micro stamp ammunition,we need to take a serious look at bio-metric technology for weapons yet to be manufactured .

K.


Check and mate.

Not even close....do you know how the game is played ?


can you please explain to the rest of us who are probably as dumbfounded as I am as to how kirata didn't provide evidence of your saying what it is he asserted you said. it looks pretty cut and dry to me.




PeonForHer -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/21/2015 4:04:32 AM)

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can you please explain to the rest of us who are probably as dumbfounded as I am as to how kirata didn't provide evidence of your saying what it is he asserted you said. it looks pretty cut and dry to me.


It seemed to me that he was calling for a ban on certain types of guns. That's pretty common, even amongst gun fans, isn't it? Or are there lots of gun fans in the USA who think that machine guns - gawd, even field guns - should be up for purchase by Joe Citizen?




PeonForHer -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/21/2015 4:06:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BitYakin


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Of course the number one threat to an American life,violence wise ,is another armed American....but why split hairs,eh ?
Unless your a child.... I've been told it's pools [:D]


actually NO its automobiles..


You missed the 'violence wise' bit. Unless you're talking about automobiles deliberately used as lethal weapons.




BitYakin -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/21/2015 4:17:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: BitYakin


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Of course the number one threat to an American life,violence wise ,is another armed American....but why split hairs,eh ?
Unless your a child.... I've been told it's pools [:D]


actually NO its automobiles..


You missed the 'violence wise' bit. Unless you're talking about automobiles deliberately used as lethal weapons.


if you don't think an auto crash is violent you've never been in one!

tell ya what, let me slam you into something solid at even just 30 MPH, forget 40, 50, 60, or higher and you tell me how VIOLENT that was!




BitYakin -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/21/2015 4:24:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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can you please explain to the rest of us who are probably as dumbfounded as I am as to how kirata didn't provide evidence of your saying what it is he asserted you said. it looks pretty cut and dry to me.


It seemed to me that he was calling for a ban on certain types of guns. That's pretty common, even amongst gun fans, isn't it? Or are there lots of gun fans in the USA who think that machine guns - gawd, even field guns - should be up for purchase by Joe Citizen?


I just read what he WROTE, not what he thought he MEANT, if he meant ALL GUNS he should have written ALL GUNS

he said ANY LITTLE POST where he called for a BAN ON GUNS, assault weapons ARE GUNS he called for a BAN ON! as said cut an dried

and BTW those others you mention with proper paperwork are perfectly legal to buy and own privately, which personally I agree with 100%




slvemike4u -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/21/2015 4:35:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Of course the number one threat to an American life,violence wise ,is another armed American....but why split hairs,eh ?
Unless your a child.... I've been told it's pools [:D]



And I am sure you will be back with links to back that up right? Because you wouldn't spew random bullshit without some studies proving your point, right?

What a shame this guy didn't have a gun, things might have ended differently but I know that kind of thing doesn't matter. If you don't think anyone in the country needs a gun then I guess they don't.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2014/10/03/man-mauled-dogs-detroit/16635281/

Tell you what,rather than wasting your considerably important time finding a dog bites man story...why don't you use that time to debunk my bullshit.'
Seeing as you chose the dog bites man piece of shit story I'm guessing you can't
Another impartial post brought to us by CS's resident expert on impartiality and assorted piles of dung

Okay,here is the original post that the bet was based on.....you guys can read can't you THB suggested I didn't thing ANYONE in the country needs a gun.
Anyone to me suggests that he is asserting I am for banning ALL guns.
That was the proposition.....if I wasn't clear enough,that's on me.
But if you guys are having trouble with following the bouncing ball....that's on you.
Either way ,the bar is still set at a gun ban,as in a general gun ban....which really should have been clear when I linked that to CONFISCATION.




PeonForHer -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/21/2015 4:41:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BitYakin

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: BitYakin


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Of course the number one threat to an American life,violence wise ,is another armed American....but why split hairs,eh ?
Unless your a child.... I've been told it's pools [:D]


actually NO its automobiles..


You missed the 'violence wise' bit. Unless you're talking about automobiles deliberately used as lethal weapons.


if you don't think an auto crash is violent you've never been in one!

tell ya what, let me slam you into something solid at even just 30 MPH, forget 40, 50, 60, or higher and you tell me how VIOLENT that was!



So ... you ARE talking about automobiles deliberately used as lethal weapons, then?




BitYakin -> RE: Gun sales vs crime stats in CA (3/21/2015 4:46:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: BitYakin


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Of course the number one threat to an American life,violence wise ,is another armed American....but why split hairs,eh ?
Unless your a child.... I've been told it's pools [:D]


actually NO its automobiles..


You missed the 'violence wise' bit. Unless you're talking about automobiles deliberately used as lethal weapons.



looks like something violent happened here

[image]local://upfiles/183945/E5240C1AF6DE4AC193B26A49D64B2A41.jpg[/image]




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