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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

But it was .... a ban,right?
Yet it didn't lead to a banning of more and more guns....so the precedent is ,IMO,set...you can ban one type,or class ,of guns without it necessarily leading to further bans !!!!!
Hence the NRA assertion of the slippery slope bullshit is a "position" and nothing more,it is a talking point designed to rouse and scare their base and nothing more.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Yet the point continues to be missed....it was a ban,it had a sunset clause....it was allowed(IMO sadly) to expire.
The Second Amendment did not crumble,jack booted Nazi's did not go door to door confiscating citizens guns.....none of what the NRA trumpets came to pass.
Yet I was just told today,or was it yesterday....right here,that if you ban one gun it mean you can ban more guns.
Technically true,but in actual practice just scaremongering from the gun manufacturers favorite mouthpiece the NRA.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

But it was .... a ban,right?
Yet it didn't lead to a banning of more and more guns....so the precedent is ,IMO,set...you can ban one type,or class ,of guns without it necessarily leading to further bans !!!!!
Hence the NRA assertion of the slippery slope bullshit is a "position" and nothing more,it is a talking point designed to rouse and scare their base and nothing more.


See Kirata,my word is .....less than useless,of course people responding to me makes it a tad difficult to be both polite and keep my promise....lol

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

But it was .... a ban,right?
Yet it didn't lead to a banning of more and more guns....so the precedent is ,IMO,set...you can ban one type,or class ,of guns without it necessarily leading to further bans !!!!!
Hence the NRA assertion of the slippery slope bullshit is a "position" and nothing more,it is a talking point designed to rouse and scare their base and nothing more.

It was only sort of a ban as it only required particular guns to be cosmetically altered. The worst part of the bill was the magazine restriction. The most common magazines were still abundant and reasonably priced. For the newer models of handguns, the price if mags went through the roof. I'm happy we're done with that shit.....but, as a result of the ban, a wide variety of modern, foreign manufactured firearms are unavaible. They can still be cloned if manufactured here in the US but not too many are. So some of it stuck.


Also fully automatic firearms were effectively baned. The current pool of full auto (legal) weapons are limited to those already registered in the system and anything post dating 1986 are off limits. While you might think that's a good thing I would have to wonder how many people are converting their semi autos to rock & roll (illegal) thus unregistered due to the now prohibitive prices of the legal ones.

As much as you think bans won't lead to more bans, I'm not willing to go down that road just because you say so and also because it's illogical, irrational, useless, a pathetic and emotional response to violent crime, and overall just plain stupid.

Bans will actually lead to more guns and more full auto weapons on the street.

As a side note: If you happened to have any of those 10 round mags purchased with a hand gun durring that period, the nanufacturers were, and maybe still are, taking back your Clinton Clips and replacing them with standard full capacity magazines.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Yet the point continues to be missed....it was a ban,it had a sunset clause....it was allowed(IMO sadly) to expire.
The Second Amendment did not crumble,jack booted Nazi's did not go door to door confiscating citizens guns.....none of what the NRA trumpets came to pass.
Yet I was just told today,or was it yesterday....right here,that if you ban one gun it mean you can ban more guns.
Technically true,but in actual practice just scaremongering from the gun manufacturers favorite mouthpiece the NRA.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Technically true ? So in other words we need to go down the ban road to prove you are right ? And the term the NRA used is "jack booted thugs".

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Technically true ? So in other words we need to go down the ban road to prove you are right ? And the term the NRA used is "jack booted thugs".

The NRA have got form with using the word Nazi when talking about gun control though.

That’s when Judy decided to play a classic pro-gun card and distastefully invoke the legacy of the holocaust. While Hanauer only mentions in passing that his family came to America after fleeing persecution in Nazi Germany, Judy made it the focus of his rant. “[Hanauer] talks about his family being run out of Germany by the Nazis. It’s like, how stupid can they be, you know?” Judy asked, met with cackles from the crowd. “Now he’s funding, he’s put half a million dollars toward this policy, the same policy that led to his family getting run out or Germany by the Nazis” Judy remarked.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/07/29/3465210/nra-lobbyist-anti-semitism/

ThinkProgress is lying. But it's a lie of omission, so it's not immediately evident:

Hitler signed a law in 1938 that actually reversed Germany’s previously strict gun laws, completely deregulating the sale of rifles, shotguns and ammunition for the majority of Germans.

That's true as far as it goes, but the devil is in that "majority of Germans" phrase. The law prohibited Jews from owning firearms. In the current context, background checks are a double-edged sword. On the one hand, they are a sensible and reasonable measure. On the other hand, if the records are not destroyed they provide the government with a list of citizens who own guns, i.e., gun registration via the back door. So there is room for debate about whether the necessary safeguards are in place, whether they can be trusted, and who today's "Jews" might turn out to be.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


It didn't accomplish anything. It wasn't even an assault weapon ban. It was never intended to be. It was intended to be a foot in the door. The second attempt went even further. Fortunately, the first expired, the second failed, and the back-door play to ban 5.56 "green tip" ammunition didn't even get off the ground.

K.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

Technically true ? So in other words we need to go down the ban road to prove you are right ? And the term the NRA used is "jack booted thugs".

The NRA have got form with using the word Nazi when talking about gun control though.

That’s when Judy decided to play a classic pro-gun card and distastefully invoke the legacy of the holocaust. While Hanauer only mentions in passing that his family came to America after fleeing persecution in Nazi Germany, Judy made it the focus of his rant. “[Hanauer] talks about his family being run out of Germany by the Nazis. It’s like, how stupid can they be, you know?” Judy asked, met with cackles from the crowd. “Now he’s funding, he’s put half a million dollars toward this policy, the same policy that led to his family getting run out or Germany by the Nazis” Judy remarked.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/07/29/3465210/nra-lobbyist-anti-semitism/

ThinkProgress is lying. But it's a lie of omission, so it's not immediately evident:

Hitler signed a law in 1938 that actually reversed Germany’s previously strict gun laws, completely deregulating the sale of rifles, shotguns and ammunition for the majority of Germans.

That's true as far as it goes, but the devil is in that "majority of Germans" phrase. The law prohibited Jews from owning firearms. In the current context, background checks are a double-edged sword. On the one hand, they are a sensible and reasonable measure. On the other hand, if the records are not destroyed they provide the government with a list of citizens who own guns. In other words, gun registration via the back door. So there is room for debate about whether the necessary safeguards are in place, whether they can be trusted, and who today's "Jews" might turn out to be.

K.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

No the point is we've already been down the damm road,right?
I mean it actually happened,there is no NEED to do it again to prove it works,it has already been proven....lol
Nazi'z ....thugs....semantics,you understood the point [:)]

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Yet the point continues to be missed....it was a ban,it had a sunset clause....it was allowed(IMO sadly) to expire.
The Second Amendment did not crumble,jack booted Nazi's did not go door to door confiscating citizens guns.....none of what the NRA trumpets came to pass.
Yet I was just told today,or was it yesterday....right here,that if you ban one gun it mean you can ban more guns.
Technically true,but in actual practice just scaremongering from the gun manufacturers favorite mouthpiece the NRA.

So you admit it is true, and you favor this approach.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Why not stick to what I actually posted, or do we get to see your smoke, mirrors and bullshit routine yet again.

Yeah, that would be this:

The NRA have got form with using the word Nazi when talking about gun control though.

Get a hobby, bozo.

K.