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BamaD -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 11:15:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

I see we've shifted gears from "At no point did Cruz say..." to "But Mom, Obama did it too!" [:)]

Don't you think that Obama's blatant lies about guns kind of proves the implication that he is anti-gun rights?

Short answer.....no.
In addition to that,much Like Lincoln and slave owners his opinion doesn't really matter.Guns,like slaves way back when ,are protected by the Constitution.
So gun owners,much like slave owners,can take a chill pill and relax...there guns ain't going nowhere.[:)]

Let's see, according to your post, since Obama can't collect all the guns tomorrow his lying to promote an anti-gun agenda doesn't count so saying he is anti-gun is a lie. Added to this your ridiculously and insultingly equate owning guns to owning slaves.

LOL....I never used the word "lie".That's on you.
You asked a question I supplied an answer to that question as I see it.
What is really going on here is that you object to my analogy.
You feel like I just compared gun owners to slave owners.
Try and re-read it,engage your intellect instead of your emotion.
The only comparison in the analogy was one of SITUATION....not similarity!!!!!
Lincoln assured slave owners he would not "molest" their property,they chose not to take him at his word and decided to secede ,thereby stripping themselves of the very protection that guaranteed them their property...the constitution.
Gun owners,and the gun lobby,refuse to take any Democratic administration at it's word....so they continually drum up vitriol and dogma that has one overreaching message ....they are coming for your guns.


I really meant to comparison on a moral basis,but if you choose to read it into it...and act all butt hurt there isn't much I can do to assuage you.
On a final note,this isn't a gun thread Bama.....I know,cause I started the damm thing...this is about a right wing ideologue going to an evangelical college and announcing his candidacy for his parties nomination.

Turn it into a gun thread if you like.....but that will be on you,not me...I would much rather discuss the politics of the thing.

There is not moral comparison between gun owners and slave owners no matter how bad you want to believe there is.
Would you say that there is no insult if I pointed out that book burners and gun grabbers have the same repressive mindset?




slvemike4u -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 11:25:10 AM)

Again .....who said anything about a moral comparison.
Would it help if I typed it in phonics ?
How do I get thru to you that it was a comparison based on "SITUATION"


Did typing it in caps get thru your thick head ?

Lastly Bama....if you are insulted by the post,I would consider apologizing,except this is now the third reply in which I have explained that there was no insult embedded.
Try and read it s...l...o...w...l...y.
It's an analogy of situation not morality
You have exchanged pm with me,have I ever indicated to you that slave owners and gun owners occupied the same moral plane ?




bounty44 -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 11:32:51 AM)

this is from 2008 and politifact (yes, a fact checking organization) rated Obama's "if you like your health care plan you get keep it" statement as "true."

and then five years later, rated that same statement as the 2013 "lie of the year"

that should be enough "evidence" of that we should treat fact checkers with skepticism. sometimes they get it wrong.

but then, ive since learned that fact checkers are "automatically" wrong when (because) they disagree with my position as an anti-science right wing ideologue. so there's that too to be mindful of...

(I trust that goes for the rest of my fellow low-brow, knuckle-dragging, mouth-breathers who argue from my side of the aisle too)

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slvemike4u -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 11:36:17 AM)

5 years in between...any chance something happened which induced politifact to change their view.....like maybe the President saying he got it wrong ?




Moderator3 -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 11:38:48 AM)

This is not a gun thread. If your post is more about guns than it is the fellow the thread was started about, then find another thread to post your gun thread on.

Thank you




slvemike4u -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 11:48:32 AM)

Ted Cruz.....in case anyone forgot [:)]




Lucylastic -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 11:50:06 AM)

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




slvemike4u -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 11:51:44 AM)

That was to mod3,not me,right.....I'm not buying for a moment you forgot it was Ted Cruz,lol




Moderator3 -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 12:01:31 PM)

Boy, one of these days you all will have me trained. [;)]




Lucylastic -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 12:04:38 PM)

lol M3:)
yes Mike it was to M3....




BamaD -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 12:13:41 PM)


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Again .....who said anything about a moral comparison.
Would it help if I typed it in phonics ?
How do I get thru to you that it was a comparison based on "SITUATION"


Did typing it in caps get thru your thick head ?

Lastly Bama....if you are insulted by the post,I would consider apologizing,except this is now the third reply in which I have explained that there was no insult embedded.
Try and read it s...l...o...w...l...y.
It's an analogy of situation not morality
You have exchanged pm with me,have I ever indicated to you that slave owners and gun owners occupied the same moral plane ?

And I already said any insult could well have been unintentional. Apology accepted.




slvemike4u -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 12:26:43 PM)

LOL....I never apologized.
I saw no reason to apologize for your mis-reading of my post.
All I tried to do was walk you,slowly thru the comprehension portion of the program.

hint : "I would consider apologizing,except....."
See that word "except"....it's not like militia.....you can't just pretend it isn't there [:D]


But if you saw an apology,I'm thinking there might be more work necessary [:D]




BamaD -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 12:39:20 PM)


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LOL....I never apologized.
I saw no reason to apologize for your mis-reading of my post.
All I tried to do was walk you,slowly thru the comprehension portion of the program.

hint : "I would consider apologizing,except....."
See that word "except"....it's not like militia.....you can't just pretend it isn't there [:D]


But if you saw an apology,I'm thinking there might be more work necessary [:D]

Your sarcasm detector is broken. I was just making the point that I had pointed out that any insult may have been intentional.
Other than that I won't bite and help you ignore the directive from the mod and turn this into a gun thread. I am satisfied that on that point I proved (via Obama's lies) that Cruz was telling the truth about Obama being anti-gun. This has nothing to do with guns, just whether Cruz was lying about Obama's position, and clearly he was not.




slvemike4u -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 12:43:04 PM)

Whatever Bama......and I'm not ignoring any directive.
Hell,I never took us down this road anyway.....that was you behind the wheel.



I much more interested in Ted Cruz's Imagine tour.

Maybe he can get Yoko to join him on the bus and they can all start singing......Imagine all the people.....




CreativeDominant -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 2:42:40 PM)

~shudders uncontrollably at the thought of Yolo Ono singing any song by any Beatle anytime~




slvemike4u -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 2:45:40 PM)

I shuddered at the thought of Cruz plagiarizing Lennon's song for his speech.....if I got to shudder,you can shudder too [:D]




MrRodgers -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 3:17:33 PM)


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I'd rather vote for Tina Fey.

Yea, she's younger and funnier...with real humor that is.




MrRodgers -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 3:19:50 PM)


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My thought is each candidate that is running, should be given an equal amount of advertisement time on the television stations for free. So that way, everyone has an equal chance to get their message out, and it would deny all the corporations from spending millions to back their guy or gal... And maybe with that it would level the playing field, and end the days of having to raise almost 1B to make it all the way thru the General election.

Just my opinion.....

Night all

What ? This is America land of $trillion$ in free speech. Corporations are 'like' people, so they too have a constitutional right to buy the best govt. they can.




joether -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 3:23:21 PM)

So...Ted Cruz?

"Douchebag needing a better suit" or "In dire need of an image change...like with a mohawk"?

Either way, I found his speech to be a President less than stellar. But then the venue was also deceptive. Mr. Cruz spoke before Liberty University to students. In the videos it shows the area is packed with students. What isn't explained (particularly on conservative media) is those students were forced to attend.

Conservative colleges and universities different from their liberal counterparts in many ways. One of them is pushing an ideology onto the student population. That there are many rules on top of those for the locality, state and federal. These rules are to push a mindset and viewpoint that is conservative. Having been on both a liberal and conservative campus, I can state, the difference is both observable and detectable in information given and received. Conservative 'schools of higher learning' use a system of penalties to discourage activities and viewpoints it doesn't want. They have to tread carefully, as one good legal argument could blow the doors off their long term existence.

The systems use a demerit and penalty. What this means is that if you acquire 'X' number of demerits in a single semester, bad things WILL happen to you. This could be anywhere from missing out on a semester to expulsion! Often the demerits are handed out by individuals whom are draconian to others, but cry when they gain a demerit for the same shit! Liberty University's penalty for not attention its 'speech times' is 4 demerits and a $10 fine. It doesn't take many demerits at that school to create more problems to the student. So the students are basically forced to attend, regardless of circumstance.

One time while a bunch of us were bored on campus, we took the student book of one of these conservative colleges just down the road from us. We asked "What is the fewest demerits we could get for killing someone?" It was just 14. Well below the threshold for being ban for a semester (which is 25), and only if the investigators didn't pin anything on us. Stuff like 'a party' is defined by having more than three people in a room. Or that opening a window is against the rules. That having any kind of alcoholic beverage is not allowed. And playing music that is not 'approved' is also against the rules. Yeah, those are some of the many rules I remember some twenty years later! Given that school, I doubt things have changed.

Likewise, the school is very open to political viewpoints. Just as long as those viewpoints are conservative! For instance in 2009, the campus's Democratic Party was shutdown. Fearing a valid lawsuit (and reduction in federal funds), they allowed the organization to exist. HOWEVER....it could not be called 'Democrat' nor be associated with the Democratic Party. ALSO, this organization had to be pro-marriage and anti-abortion. A string of other requirements were also made beyond that. An what requirements and/or strings are the Republican Party on campus required to perform? None.

I for one would be appalled of any political group being forced through hoops that other political parties on campus did not have to endure. But thats because I was on a liberal campus....

While the school states there are Rand Paul supporters (those would be the ones in the red shirts in the videos seen), they number just 12. Yes, 12 people in the 10,000+ students that were required to attend. That's less then 0.1% of the total population.

So the viewer is given a number of deceptions without realizing things with Ted Cruz's announcement is full of shit. And he and the university have the balls to state "they are for liberty"......





DesideriScuri -> RE: First to throw his hat in the ring (3/24/2015 3:27:30 PM)

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I typically don't watch sean Hannity, but since ted cruz was on last night for the entire hour, I did, and I thought cruz acquitted himself well.
I watched a segment on his announcement on the five---the table was really mixed. dana perino was her usual balanced "he's got strengths and he's got weaknesses." greg gutfeld seemed to be saying he felt ted cruz was more about ted cruz. eric bolling likes him a lot, but said he was maybe too young and as a result of that, suggested its not his time. I don't remember all of what juan Williams said but I think he did say, "of course I wont be voting for him." Kimberly guilfoyle was very enthusiastic about cruz formally entering the race.
a common criticism ive heard is "first term senator" and that maybe we have learned a lesson from our most recent "first term senator."
I think people who think that way are going to look for candidates with "executive" experience, which in part speaks to the popularity of scott walker.
by the way---I don't watch the five religiously, but recently bob beckels not been there and I don't miss him at all. I don't know where he is, but give me juan Williams or Julie roginski any day.


Coming home from one of my son's band concerts, I turned the radio on, which was already tuned to my local talk radio station, and Sean Hannity was on. He ran a bit of Cruz's speech announcing his candidacy. The first thing that popped into my head was, "mega-church preacher." That's what he sounded like to me. To me, that was off-putting. We don't need a preacher in the White House.




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