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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 3:12:47 PM   
bounty44


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Status: offline 		and then of course there are these gems:

http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-complete-guide-to-acorn-voter-fraud/

(im going to have a hard time remaining so "willfully ignorant" about voter fraud not really existing when there seems to be so much evidence of that it really does)



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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 3:13:31 PM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		Bullshit, whenever there is a moment to push firearms, your in the thick of the thread! Or should I RESEARCH the number of threads in the past amount of time you have been part of Collar(place).com in which you NEVER posted on a firearm thread?

This is as far as this piece goes with me. This topic is on Voter ID Laws and the US Supreme Court. You want to debate this issue, find a new thread.

The fact that I comment on gun threads does not even remotely mean that you aren't lying about what I say there.
I repeatedly said that the main cause of crime drops is demographics. I am not debating guns I am debating the FACT that you are a SHAMELESS liar deliberately misrepresenting what I say to give you an excuse to dismiss me.

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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 3:16:25 PM   
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BamaD

You have not shown me to have lied but that you are an idiot or deliberately getting it wrong, since you aren't an idiot it must be deliberate.


Really Bama ? Is that what you think ?

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.......that you are too stupid to comprehend or are deliberately misrepresenting me. Since you are not an idiot it must be deliberate.


Again Bama ? That's twice in one post ya got it wrong. Sczheeeeeeesh

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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 3:19:20 PM   
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But FALSELY accusing me of lying isn't one. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 3:20:29 PM   
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BamaD

You have not shown me to have lied but that you are an idiot or deliberately getting it wrong, since you aren't an idiot it must be deliberate.


Really Bama ? Is that what you think ?

quote:



.......that you are too stupid to comprehend or are deliberately misrepresenting me. Since you are not an idiot it must be deliberate.




Again Bama ? That's twice in one post ya got it wrong. Sczheeeeeeesh



You do realize that he will think you are taking his side, don't you?

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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 3:28:32 PM   
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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 3:37:22 PM   
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I am for ID, if it is free



Well Ron:

Wisconsin…free
Texas… free
Kansas… free
Indiana…free
Tennessee… free
Mississippi…free
Georgia…free
Virginia… Free

As far as i can find they are all free of charge... Now where I can see a problem is coming up with documentation... that may ensue a charge and require some running around.

Butch

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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 3:46:29 PM   
MrRodgers


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Status: offline 		At least with a student ID I can get a gun but still can't use it to vote.

Plus, if I am a foreigner...I can't do either. Or maybe I just can't vote. Anybody know for sure ?

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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 4:36:54 PM   
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Maybe we could form/consult a fact checking organization

No need to he posted the proof that he is lying about me.

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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 4:38:50 PM   
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At least with a student ID I can get a gun but still can't use it to vote.

Plus, if I am a foreigner...I can't do either. Or maybe I just can't vote. Anybody know for sure ?

Foreigners are not supposed to be allowed to by firearms, but the open borders people have no problem with them voting.

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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 5:58:43 PM   
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Honestly, stop being so ignorant. There is absolutely no "open borders" policy in the USA.

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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 6:11:54 PM   
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.localities are indeed spending money to make sure those without valid DL's and such have the required picture ID"s


How?

Butch


Paperwork and labor to help them get the id but then again they already do that if you apply for assistance or food stamps so I am not sure why that's an issue. And since you need id to do so much in this world it can only help the person getting the id. I just don't understand why he would be against them getting help.

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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 6:24:50 PM   
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Honestly, stop being so ignorant. There is absolutely no "open borders" policy in the USA.


He said open borders people, not policy. Now I would suggest you apologize but I know better.

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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 6:25:12 PM   
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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 6:29:12 PM   
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Yes THB,you saw right thru me...I am against them getting help.....lol



Well you are the one who said "Whether or not you think t's crap ...localities are indeed spending money to make sure those without valid DL's and such have the required picture ID"s. " and it sure sounds like you are complaining about it. But I suppose it's possible that you are ok with it and just like making random statements that don't really mean anything. What other reason for bringing up cost in a thread about something you want to stop?

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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 6:31:06 PM   
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Mike I am saying if these laws make conservatives think they will make a difference in the vote or give votes integrity then I say good for them. What I do not believe is that it will make minorities or the poor less likely to vote.
If a voter can not make the effort to get an ID then they do not deserve to have a say in their government... they would be incompetent or down right lazy. I do not think, as some must believe, that just because you are a minority or poor you don't have the sense or desire to get a voter ID. To me this idea is insulting.
Butch

In Georgia the percent of black registered voter who voted increased substantially AFTER voter ID took effect so the vote suppression argument holds no water.


The only problem I have with using those facts from Georgia voting results, is that the first general election after those laws took effect was in 2008, when there was the first Black candidate. Black voter turnout, overall, was rising
prior to the law, and continued to rise.



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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 7:38:09 PM   
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Honestly, stop being so ignorant. There is absolutely no "open borders" policy in the USA.

Read my post again, I didn't say there were open borders, just people who want them.

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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 7:40:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Mike I am saying if these laws make conservatives think they will make a difference in the vote or give votes integrity then I say good for them. What I do not believe is that it will make minorities or the poor less likely to vote.
If a voter can not make the effort to get an ID then they do not deserve to have a say in their government... they would be incompetent or down right lazy. I do not think, as some must believe, that just because you are a minority or poor you don't have the sense or desire to get a voter ID. To me this idea is insulting.
Butch

In Georgia the percent of black registered voter who voted increased substantially AFTER voter ID took effect so the vote suppression argument holds no water.


The only problem I have with using those facts from Georgia voting results, is that the first general election after those laws took effect was in 2008, when there was the first Black candidate. Black voter turnout, overall, was rising
prior to the law, and continued to rise.



You will note that I did not say that voter ID was the cause of the increased turnout, just that it didn't prevent it.

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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/24/2015 7:47:20 PM   
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Yes THB,you saw right thru me...I am against them getting help.....lol



Well you are the one who said "Whether or not you think t's crap ...localities are indeed spending money to make sure those without valid DL's and such have the required picture ID"s. " and it sure sounds like you are complaining about it. But I suppose it's possible that you are ok with it and just like making random statements that don't really mean anything. What other reason for bringing up cost in a thread about something you want to stop?

FFS....are there costs associated with this ?
Is there a problem with voter fraud ?

The answer to the first question is ...yes
The answer to the second is....no

That's why I am against this bullshit right wing claptrap.

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RE: SCOTUS and the Wisconsin Voter ID Law - 3/25/2015 6:54:59 AM   
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Yes THB,you saw right thru me...I am against them getting help.....lol



Well you are the one who said "Whether or not you think t's crap ...localities are indeed spending money to make sure those without valid DL's and such have the required picture ID"s. " and it sure sounds like you are complaining about it. But I suppose it's possible that you are ok with it and just like making random statements that don't really mean anything. What other reason for bringing up cost in a thread about something you want to stop?

FFS....are there costs associated with this ?
Is there a problem with voter fraud ?

The answer to the first question is ...yes
The answer to the second is....no

That's why I am against this bullshit right wing claptrap.



Be honest you are against it because the right is pushing for it.

But lets look at it another way. People living here need id to do all kinds of things. It really does make life a lot easier to have one but some folks for what ever reason don't. If this is going to get those people an id card then how is that bad? Now granted they should have already taken care of this but apparently there are a whole shit load of people who didn't. So again, why are you so against them finally getting that card? Do you really hate the right so much that you are willing to let those folks go without an id because you don't think there is voter fraud? Isn't that kinda like cutting off your nose to spite your face?

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