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So they can be discriminated against for there beliefs limiting the kind of work they can do

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Bama as an example... Where does it say in the Bible baking bread for a gay is against the Christian Religion?... Same with a florist. But if you are against abortion because of religious reasons than DO NOT become a Pharmacists... find another business where you do not have to directly break your religious beliefs by filling birth control prescriptions.. These are individual choices that can be made without discriminating.

Butch

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So they can be discriminated against for there beliefs limiting the kind of work they can do

YES... it is their choice to do so...and they must live with the consequences. Would you like to be ill in a Muslim area of this country and be denied a doctors care because you wore a cross around your neck? Would you like to be denied shelter in a storm because you wore the wrong colored socks or had an earring? Come on Bama.

Butch

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So they should self enforce discrimination against themselves?

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I wouldn't wear a cross and thus shove it in his face what my religion is.

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I wouldn't wear a cross and thus shove it in his face what my religion is.

Why shouldn't you? Is that not your right? If the old doc does not want to treat Christians... then he should not be a doctor... if he wants to have a religious symbol on the wall... you have a choice to not go to him...Everyone has choices. Should people have to hide their religion or sexual orientation to see a doctor... eat a meal... find shelter?

Butch

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The bottom line is your rights stop when they infringe on my rights… when you afford the same rights to others... that is discrimination under ANY circumstances.

Butch

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So they should self enforce discrimination against themselves?

You are right... when you are traveling with your family and have an accident and the local hospital refuses to treat your family because you are of the wrong religion I'm sure you will be happy to ask where is the nearest undertaker that accepts your religion.

Butch

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The bottom line is your rights stop when they infringe on my rights… when you afford the same rights to others... that is discrimination under ANY circumstances.

Butch

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The bottom line is your rights stop when they infringe on my rights… when you afford the same rights to others... that is discrimination under ANY circumstances.

Butch

And where do your rights to invalidate and obliterate my religion end?



Michael

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Your rights end when you discriminate. Give me an instance where as a business open to the general public I as a customer take away any rights of yours. Then we can talk about it.

Butch

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But don't you see, Michael? You can't stomp on a gay persons right to marry, you can't stomp on a woman's right to choose, you can't stomp on a n atheists right to disbelieve, and...taking it to religion...you can't stomp on a Muslims right to pray at work on his prayer rig or a Native Americans right to use peyote in his religious ceremonies...but those Christian bakers in a Cory where there are plenty of other bakers who WILL do as you ask?? Fuck their beliefs.

Or...you can do as Peon suggested...disregard And disrespect their beliefs by tricking them into baking you a cake, then send them a picture showing them how you disrespected and disregarded their beliefs while all the while demanding that everybody not only respect...but agree with...yours.

Yeah. I don't know how I forgot all of that. I am ashamed.

I keep forgetting that Euro-American Christians are officially at the bottom of the hill.

It's funny. I made a post over in current affairs about another slaughter of Christians and all the "sensitive" PPLs are silent on the issue. It didn't even garnish a ripple, here. (and they were even shot with assault weapons. I was double shocked! )

Just more evidence of tolerance from those loony lefties.



Michael

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But don't you see, Michael? You can't stomp on a gay persons right to marry, you can't stomp on a woman's right to choose, you can't stomp on a n atheists right to disbelieve, and...taking it to religion...you can't stomp on a Muslims right to pray at work on his prayer rig or a Native Americans right to use peyote in his religious ceremonies...but those Christian bakers in a Cory where there are plenty of other bakers who WILL do as you ask?? Fuck their beliefs.

Or...you can do as Peon suggested...disregard And disrespect their beliefs by tricking them into baking you a cake, then send them a picture showing them how you disrespected and disregarded their beliefs while all the while demanding that everybody not only respect...but agree with...yours.

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Your rights end when you discriminate. Give me an instance where as a business open to the general public I as a customer take away any rights of yours. Then we can talk about it.

Butch

Asking me and using the law to FORCE me to go against my religion is like me, asking you and using the law to force you into a Muslim Mosque. Either way, it's trampling on a person's religious beliefs.



Michael

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Your rights end when you discriminate. Give me an instance where as a business open to the general public I as a customer take away any rights of yours. Then we can talk about it.

Butch

Asking me and using the law to FORCE me to go against my religion is like me, asking you and using the law to force you into a Muslim Mosque. Either way, it's trampling on a person's religious beliefs.



Michael

No one is asking you to go against your religious beliefs, they are asking you not to discriminate illegally.

You can be as homophobic as you like, you just cannot discriminate against people on the basis of their sexual orientation when you conduct business.

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Damn 26 pages…too many to read so I will just give an opinion even if already stated.

I believe a baker or florist has a right to deny service to gays according to his religion… I believe a bar or restaurant has a right to deny service to a black because of his race…I believe a mechanic has the right refuse to work on a Muslim’s car because of their religion… I believe a pharmacist can refuse to fill birth control orders or insulin just because they don‘t like the cut of their clothes… I could go on but you get my idea. It goes beyond religion I think I have the right to deny my services to anyone for any reason I please.

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Only if my services are NOT open and available to the general public. Privately everyone has the right to the above but If I make a profit from the general public then I have no right to discriminate for any reason other than public health and safety. If I can’t bring myself to do it because of my religion then I should not have got into business.

If I have a private by invitation only group of friends I provide services to they can be who I choose and only who I choose…as long as I make no profit from them…. Otherwise it is discrimination and should be unlawful.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Your rights end when you discriminate. Give me an instance where as a business open to the general public I as a customer take away any rights of yours. Then we can talk about it.

Butch

Asking me and using the law to FORCE me to go against my religion is like me, asking you and using the law to force you into a Muslim Mosque. Either way, it's trampling on a person's religious beliefs.



Michael