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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 3/29/2015 10:59:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yea right tweak.. if Islam is not the direct catalyst for these atrocities then it is the excuse used. I am not condemning everyone of this faith but there is no denying the religion IS the cause of the killings in Tunisia and elsewhere. As far as Tunisia goes it is the division within the faith that is causing all the problems... THE RELIGION not the country or national boundaries or interests.

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 3/29/2015 11:12:46 AM   
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You're both wrong. The problem is neither Islam nor something external to Islam. The problem is the doctrine of Abrogation. If you accept Abrogation, then the sword verses trump everything that came before them. If you don't accept Abrogation, then you barbeque steaks instead of people.

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 3/29/2015 11:20:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I understand Abrogation, and i am not sure I do, then it is still a doctrine of Islam and still religious in nature... and i will bet it is far above the average Muslim's knowledge of his own religion.

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 3/29/2015 12:14:05 PM   
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If I understand Abrogation, and i am not sure I do, then it is still a doctrine of Islam and still religious in nature...

Well that's correct. But while the Koran clearly supports abrogation, it gives no clue what it refers to. On the one hand, it may be interpreted to refer to Allah's previous revelations (to the Jews and to the Christians) which are abrogated by the Koran. But that view is non-controversial and requires no doctrinal support. On the other hand, it may be interpreted to refer to the Koran itself. It is this latter interpretation that I have found to be typically referred to as the Doctrine of Abrogation. There are different views on how many verses are abrogated, which ones they are, and by what, but all of them depend on theological contortions that would be the envy of a circus performer, and none are encouraging. There is no need for Muslims to deny abrogation in order to dismiss the pernicious doctrine that it applies to the Koran itself.

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 3/29/2015 4:23:05 PM   
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Peon this is not true, at least here on the boards... but... when people here say anything negative about these regimes they are shouted down as anti-Islamic or war mongers.

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Stop being silly and read all of my posts on Saudi Arabia, I would guess most of them have been critical, so not much arse licking going on there eh bruv ?

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 3/29/2015 4:28:22 PM   
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Peon it is hard to criticize these regimes without criticizing the religion that often mandates what would be called atrocities in the western world...And to some extent guides the governing as well. When I have done that it inevitably leads to ... well Christians are no better... look at the Protestant and Catholics in Northern Ireland and all the atrocities committed in the past by Christians...blah blah blah. Even though this has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Or I always get the blind monkey saying... It is only a few radicals among billions crap.

You CANNOT separate the religion of Islam from these regimes... it is the guiding force and the direct cause of the very atrocities we are seeing in the area... It needs to be criticized without making excuses for the backwardness, barbarism, and intolerance inherent in this religion throughout the Middle East and Asia.

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You mean "YOU cannot" many of us actually can.

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/10/2015 5:24:25 PM   
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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/11/2015 7:23:07 AM   
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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/11/2015 7:43:52 AM   
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Sanity that is honestly the most accurate thing you've ever said


Whenever I see a brainless little punk kid like you thinking he is really one to judge me, I have to laugh

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/11/2015 10:43:53 AM   
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~ FR ~

Reuters - Local militiamen in the Yemeni city of Aden said they captured two Iranian military officers advising Houthi rebels during fighting on Friday evening.

Tehran has denied providing military support for Houthi fighters, whose advances have drawn air strikes by a regional coalition led by Saudi Arabia, the Islamic Republic's main rival for influence in the Gulf. If confirmed, the presence of two Iranian officers, who the local militiamen said were from an elite unit of Iran's Revolutionary Guards, would further worsen relations between Tehran and Riyadh who are vying for dominance in the region.

Three sources in the southern port city's anti-Houthi militias said the Iranians, identified as a colonel and a captain, were seized in two separate districts that have been rocked by heavy gun battles. "The initial investigation revealed that they are from the Quds Force and are working as advisors to the Houthi militia," one of the sources told Reuters. "They have been put in a safe place and we will turn them over to (the Saudi-led coalition) Decisive Storm to deal with them."

This should help immensely.

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/11/2015 10:55:10 AM   
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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/11/2015 11:43:48 AM   
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we are never going to solve the Iranian problem with talk of any sort. And the longer we talk the more dangerous and deadly it is going to get to deal with it.


What's your solution, then?


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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/11/2015 11:48:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		put them into the stone age and devastate that country so badly that they are no threat to anybody. That can only be done with boots on the ground and a military that is allowed to win. And then leave. Let somebody else rebuild that country.
A beating so bad the rest of countries in that region would be more frightened to leave their dictator in place than not. and The Iranian to blame the their radical government policies for their condition.

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/11/2015 11:57:29 AM   
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put them into the stone age and devastate that country so badly that they are no threat to anybody. That can only be done with boots on the ground and a military that is allowed to win. And then leave. Let somebody else rebuild that country.

Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/11/2015 4:05:32 PM   
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put them into the stone age and devastate that country so badly that they are no threat to anybody. That can only be done with boots on the ground and a military that is allowed to win. And then leave. Let somebody else rebuild that country.
A beating so bad the rest of countries in that region would be more frightened to leave their dictator in place than not. and The Iranian to blame the their radical government policies for their condition.


Fuck all Iranians, then? Yeah, that's not going to happen, and it shouldn't.

Let's play a little game, though. On what basis do we have the authority to bomb the piss out of Iran?


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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/11/2015 5:25:02 PM   
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put them into the stone age and devastate that country so badly that they are no threat to anybody. That can only be done with boots on the ground and a military that is allowed to win. And then leave. Let somebody else rebuild that country.
A beating so bad the rest of countries in that region would be more frightened to leave their dictator in place than not. and The Iranian to blame the their radical government policies for their condition.


Fucking laughable....... Do you actually understand what you are writing ? Do you not realise ISIS grew from Bush and Blairs decision for regime change, you know, removing a dictator.

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/11/2015 5:30:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		bush and blair didn't do what I have suggested and In fact have lead the isis as you have said. Their would no rebuilding iran, their would be no aid and this includes blocking any attempt of aid from the UN,to iran after the fact, their would be nothing left of iran.
My suggestion says nothing in iran is so sacred we wont destroy it to find and kill the enemy. Nothing suggest the bushes and blairs of the world have or had the stomach for. done the way I have suggested,
the whole thing would be over in a month. The refugees fleeing into other would have would really piss off those countries.....But they would understand the consequences of being iran or nuisance to the US.

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/11/2015 5:38:31 PM   
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Sanity that is honestly the most accurate thing you've ever said


Whenever I see a brainless little punk kid like you thinking he is really one to judge me, I have to laugh

How to win friends and influence people the sanity way......lol

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/11/2015 5:40:21 PM   
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bush and blair didn't do what I have suggested and In fact have lead the isis as you have said. Their would no rebuilding iran, their would be no aid to iran after the fact, their would be nothing left of iran.
My suggestion says nothing in iran is so sacred we wont destroy it to find and kill the enemy. Nothing suggest the bushes and blairs of the world have or had the stomach for. done the way I have suggested,
the whole thing would be over in a month. The refugees fleeing into other would have would really piss off those countries.....But they would understand the consequences of being iran or nuisance to the US.


Nothing is so sacred.......... what like innocent civillians, women and children etc ?

Do you understand how the weather works, the notion of how the winds blow around the world, spreading the nuclear fallout across the Middle East and beyond ?

Yeah, bomb everyone to bits, as long as the tax payer doesnt have to pick up the bill. I just hope your simplistic bliss isnt catching, because you just dont get it.



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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/11/2015 5:42:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Sanity that is honestly the most accurate thing you've ever said


Whenever I see a brainless little punk kid like you thinking he is really one to judge me, I have to laugh

How to win friends and influence people the sanity way......lol


I think Sanity is just pissed as we have a new housebitch in town.

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