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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/13/2015 6:21:33 PM   
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Saudi Arabia?
Where do you get your information from....the back of cereal boxes ?
Strike that,you would be better educated if you had

actually we did, as we did Kuwait......

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/13/2015 6:21:33 PM   
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Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, actually quite a long list. Iran develops nukes.....to late to declare war....its already a war. what is prohibited in the constitution? is assassination.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions#1945.E2.80.931999

Might help to actually LOOK at the sources you post.

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/13/2015 7:06:17 PM   
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Saudi Arabia?
Where do you get your information from....the back of cereal boxes ?
Strike that,you would be better educated if you had

actually we did, as we did Kuwait......

No we were invited,we didn't invade.
That's actually a distinction WITH a difference

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/13/2015 7:50:31 PM   
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Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, actually quite a long list. Iran develops nukes.....to late to declare war....its already a war. what is prohibited in the constitution? is assassination.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_invasions#1945.E2.80.931999


In the last 50 years, 7 times we've invaded a sovereign country.

1965: The Dominican Republic - initially started as an evacuation of US military personnel. President Johnson ordered (against counsel) for the US Military to intervene in the DR civil war to prevent the spread of Communism to the DR.

Constitutional? No. But, we weren't going in to destroy the entire country, but to stop their civil war.

1983: Grenada - We went in after the revolutionary coup's leader was murdered, and restored the country back to it's pre-revolution coup format. We went in to oppose Cuban-Soviet power expansion.

Constitutional? No. But, again, we weren't going in to destroy the entire country.

1989: Panama - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama#United_States.27_justification_for_the_invasion

Constitutional? It's iffy. If the US did have authority under treaties signed, then, there you go.

1991: Iraq - UN Coalition forces (led by the US) in response to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.

UN authorized. Like it or not, there you go.

1994: Haiti - UN authorized, again.

2001: Afghanistan - This one wasn't as much as invading Afghanistan, as it was getting al Qaeda (which required deposing the Taliban ruling regime). We weren't really at war with the Afghanistan, really. It had UN approval, too. It may not have been the greatest idea, but there were at least concrete reasons behind it (9/11).

2003: Iraq - Most people will think it was a bad idea, and one in which we had no authority to invade. Some will rely on Iraq's breaking of the treaty after the 1991 Persian Gulf War. In a sense, both are right. We did have authority to invade and topple Saddam for breaking his side of the treaty, but that was not the authority cited.

You're going to have to try harder. There are several nuclear-armed countries, and, yet, there has not been war breaking out about it. Nuclear armaments are more about threatening use, than actually using them. It's similar to having a trump card. It's a negotiating tool to preserve at least the semblance of peace through the threat of a big boom. Iran getting a nuke isn't guaranteed war. That's just warhawk rhetoric, and most rhetoric is called out on these boards.

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/14/2015 3:51:04 PM   
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Fuel Air Explosives.


What about them ?........ You cant bomb people into oblivion with them either........ I would have thought you knew that.

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/14/2015 3:56:07 PM   
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To co-opt a phrase: "Yes, we can!" I think we have enough non-nuclear arsenal to devastate Iran. I hope we have the brains to not find out, though.



No you can`t....... It didnt work in Iraq, it didnt work in Afghanistan and it didnt work in Vietnam. It hasnt even worked against ISIS.

Sure you can destroy Towns and Cities, large troop movements, battlefield positions, but the fact remains no war has ever been won with just an air campaign.

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/14/2015 3:57:16 PM   
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It seems that the options, according to you, are either nuke Iran back to the Stone Age or surrender, and that's all folks (the reference to the cartoons is deliberate and apt).

What a childish idiotic way of viewing the world. Precisely the way to cause trouble and never the way to stop it.


Thank you for talking sense.

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/14/2015 3:58:40 PM   
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The president gets it from congress and we go alone. and because we can.


Because you can ?.......... Even Bush didnt wish to topple Saddam without having Blair for back up to make it seem the invasion was legit.

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/14/2015 7:16:35 PM   
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To co-opt a phrase: "Yes, we can!" I think we have enough non-nuclear arsenal to devastate Iran. I hope we have the brains to not find out, though.

No you can`t....... It didnt work in Iraq, it didnt work in Afghanistan and it didnt work in Vietnam. It hasnt even worked against ISIS.
Sure you can destroy Towns and Cities, large troop movements, battlefield positions, but the fact remains no war has ever been won with just an air campaign.


OMG, I can't believe we're arguing this. Unless I'm mistaken, we're on the same side of this discussion with HB777. Why the fuck does it matter if we could or couldn't obliterate Iran with a non-nuclear air campaign?


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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/15/2015 8:08:42 AM   
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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/15/2015 4:05:14 PM   
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To co-opt a phrase: "Yes, we can!" I think we have enough non-nuclear arsenal to devastate Iran. I hope we have the brains to not find out, though.

No you can`t....... It didnt work in Iraq, it didnt work in Afghanistan and it didnt work in Vietnam. It hasnt even worked against ISIS.
Sure you can destroy Towns and Cities, large troop movements, battlefield positions, but the fact remains no war has ever been won with just an air campaign.


OMG, I can't believe we're arguing this. Unless I'm mistaken, we're on the same side of this discussion with HB777. Why the fuck does it matter if we could or couldn't obliterate Iran with a non-nuclear air campaign?



Errr because thats what some of you have stated. I dont agree with the general assertion that air power alone can end these things.



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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/15/2015 5:23:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
To co-opt a phrase: "Yes, we can!" I think we have enough non-nuclear arsenal to devastate Iran. I hope we have the brains to not find out, though.

No you can`t....... It didnt work in Iraq, it didnt work in Afghanistan and it didnt work in Vietnam. It hasnt even worked against ISIS.
Sure you can destroy Towns and Cities, large troop movements, battlefield positions, but the fact remains no war has ever been won with just an air campaign.

OMG, I can't believe we're arguing this. Unless I'm mistaken, we're on the same side of this discussion with HB777. Why the fuck does it matter if we could or couldn't obliterate Iran with a non-nuclear air campaign?

Errr because thats what some of you have stated. I dont agree with the general assertion that air power alone can end these things.


Great. So, we're (you and I, or at least I am; don't give a fuck what you do) done with that tangent, because it doesn't matter at all in the discussion.


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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/16/2015 11:02:56 AM   
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Arab Spring rolls on:

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Al-Qaida captures major airport, oil terminal in south Yemen

SANAA, Yemen (AP) -- Al-Qaida seized control of a major airport, a sea port and an oil terminal in southern Yemen on Thursday, consolidating its hold on the country's largest province amid wider chaos pitting Shiite rebels against forces loyal to the exiled president and a Saudi-led air campaign.

Military officials and residents said al-Qaida fighters clashed briefly with members of one of Yemen's largest brigades outside Mukalla, a city the militants overran earlier this month and where they freed prison inmates. The militants then seized control of the Riyan airport and moved to secure their hold on the city's main sea port, which is also an oil terminal.

The security officials, speaking from Sanaa on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to brief the press, said the leaders of the brigade in charge of protecting the entire area fled.

The latest advance marks a major gain for al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, as the Yemeni affiliate is known, which has been linked to several failed attacks on the U.S. and is widely seen as the global network's most dangerous franchise. The group claimed responsibility for the attack on a French satirical magazine earlier this year.

The group has exploited the chaos in Yemen, where Shiite rebels, along with allied military units loyal to former President Ali Abdullah Saleh, captured the capital in September and have been advancing despite a three-week Saudi-led air campaign....


Time for another red line

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/16/2015 11:06:47 AM   
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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/16/2015 11:19:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		That ship has sailed long ago. I can also tell you haven't any military experience. Seems to me that the middle east is killing amongst themselves, and that saves our blood and treasure.





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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/16/2015 12:00:42 PM   
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That ship has sailed long ago. I can also tell you haven't any military experience. Seems to me that the middle east is killing amongst themselves, and that saves our blood and treasure.


What part of your vast great military leadership makes you believe that it couldnt be any better, than having the most extreme Islamists imaginable assuming control in so many places all at once

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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/16/2015 12:12:28 PM   
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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/16/2015 12:41:48 PM   
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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/16/2015 12:50:39 PM   
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RE: Things are getting hot fast in the Middle East - 4/16/2015 12:55:38 PM   
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No actual detriment...

You really believe that? Wow.



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