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JVoV -> RE: Just stop and think for a moment... (3/27/2015 9:29:27 PM)

I know that country artist Toby Keith had at least a couple of songs that could be misconstrued as anti-Muslim, written after 9/11. Most notably, the don't fuck with 'Murrica anthem "Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue", but also the lesser known "Taliban Song", which he performed for troops in Iraq. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUGUx5ttL18




CreativeDominant -> RE: Just stop and think for a moment... (3/27/2015 10:21:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

I know that country artist Toby Keith had at least a couple of songs that could be misconstrued as anti-Muslim, written after 9/11. Most notably, the don't fuck with 'Murrica anthem "Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue", but also the lesser known "Taliban Song", which he performed for troops in Iraq. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUGUx5ttL18
Misconstrued would be the right word. If you can find the word "Muslim" in the lyrics below, please point it out.

American girls and American guys, will always stand up and salute.
We'll always recognize, when we see ol' glory flying,
There's a lot of men dead,
So we can sleep in peace at night when we lay down our heads.
My daddy served in the army where he lost his right eye,
But he flew a flag out in our yard 'til the day that he died.
He wanted my mother, my brother, my sister and me.
To grow up and live happy in the land of the free.

Now this nation that I love is fallin' under attack.
A mighty sucker-punch came flying in from somewhere in the back.
Soon as we could see clearly through our big black eye,
Man, we lit up your world like the fourth of July.

Hey, Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list,
And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist.
And the eagle will fly and it's gonna be hell,
When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell.
And it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you.
Ah, brought to you, courtesy of the red, white and blue.

Instrumental break.

Oh, justice will be served and the battle will rage:
This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage.
An' you'll be sorry that you messed with the U.S. of A.
'Cos we'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.

Hey, Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list,
And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist.
And the eagle will fly and it's gonna be hell,
When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell.
And it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you.
Ah, brought to you, courtesy of the red, white and blue.

And as idiotic as these next lyrics are, again...point out to me where the word Muslim is used.

"I'm just a middle-aged, middle-eastern camel herdin' man
I got a little, 2 bedroom cave here in North Afghanistan
Things used to be real nice and they got out of hand when they moved in
They call themselves the Taliban
(ooooo yeah the taliban) (taliban baby)

Now I ain't seen my wife's face since they came here
They make her wear a scarf over her head that covers her from ear to ear
She loves the desert and the hot white sand
But man she's just like me, nah she can't stand
The Taliban (ooo taliban baby)

You know someday soon we're both gonna saddle up and it'll be
Ride Camel Ride
My old lady she'll be here with me, smilin right by my side
We should do just fine out around Palestine or maybe Turkmenistan
We'll bid a fair adieu and flip the finger to the Taliban
(oh yeah the taliban) (baby)

I know where you comin from brother!
This is a patriotic love song
So y'all feel free to salute if you want,
You got my permission.

Now they attacked New York City cause they thought they could win
Said they would, stand and fight until the very bloody end
Mr Bush got on the phone with Iraq and Iran and said "Now, you
sons-of-bitches you better not be doin any business with the taliban"
(Taliban baby)

So we prayed to Allah with all of our might
Until those big U.S. jets came flyin one night
They dropped little bombs all over their holy land
And man you should have seen em run like rabbits, they ran
(the taliban)

You know someday soon we're both gonna saddle up and it'll be
Ride Camel Ride
My old lady she'll be here with me, smilin right by my side
We should do real fine out around Palestine or maybe Turkmenistan
We'll bid a fair adieu and flip a couple fingers to the Taliban
(oh yeah, taliban)
we'll bid a fair adieu and flip a big boner to The Taliban (baby)"




CreativeDominant -> RE: Just stop and think for a moment... (3/27/2015 10:26:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Look what punk did in the 70s. The if you play ....helter skelter, backwards. Blah blah
fifties and sixtties had certain places banning dances, sixties mods n rockers , eighties with its gender fluidity n "glamour.
music speaks to people in different ways.
Jazz and the blues was devil music
Who is rich lowry?

i dont listen to country , i dont listen to rap,
i stopped to think for a moment, the comment was out of order.
anythong else?

Mr. Lowry is the editor of National Review.

Yes, there is the matter of the original question: what do you think the response would have been of Mr. Lowry had madema commmat such as "nothing says 'let's go kill us some Christians' like hip-hop/rap music"?




CreativeDominant -> RE: Just stop and think for a moment... (3/27/2015 10:28:15 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

These two statements both seem pretty shitty to me.

.... Am I missing something?

One is real, the other one is not. One has MSNBC apologizing.




JVoV -> RE: Just stop and think for a moment... (3/27/2015 11:20:01 PM)

That's why I said 'misconstrued'. I somehow doubt that an editor of Ebony.com is familiar with the lyrics of either song.

Music is a passion of mine, so I'm more interested in the actual subject than someone else's spin on it. And I'm not even going to get into the conversation regarding the 24hour news networks.

So back to Ted Cruz.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/03/24/ted-cruz-didnt-like-how-rock-music-responded-to-911-so-he-stopped-listening-to-it




bounty44 -> RE: Just stop and think for a moment... (3/28/2015 4:08:33 AM)

i like ted cruz but upon reading the title from the blog, I wondered how he could think what it says. my memory was that rock/pop musicians did pretty well at the time. unfortunately the piece doesn't give a whole lot more insight as to exactly why cruz said that. I would like to hear a more exacting explanation.

but I can say again...if rich lowry had said those fictional words suggested in the op---there'd be an outcry from some circles for his job.

when we do these sort of mental moral exercises its clear there are differing standards concerning some groups that are media protected as compared to those who hold the "its ok to kick them" position.




Lucylastic -> RE: Just stop and think for a moment... (3/28/2015 4:58:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Look what punk did in the 70s. The if you play ....helter skelter, backwards. Blah blah
fifties and sixtties had certain places banning dances, sixties mods n rockers , eighties with its gender fluidity n "glamour.
music speaks to people in different ways.
Jazz and the blues was devil music
Who is rich lowry?

i dont listen to country , i dont listen to rap,
i stopped to think for a moment, the comment was out of order.
anythong else?

Mr. Lowry is the editor of National Review.

Yes, there is the matter of the original question: what do you think the response would have been of Mr. Lowry had madema commmat such as "nothing says 'let's go kill us some Christians' like hip-hop/rap music"?


as I didnt know who lowry was....I couldnt answer the question, so I didnt....







DesideriScuri -> RE: Just stop and think for a moment... (3/28/2015 7:34:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV
I know that country artist Toby Keith had at least a couple of songs that could be misconstrued as anti-Muslim, written after 9/11. Most notably, the don't fuck with 'Murrica anthem "Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue", but also the lesser known "Taliban Song", which he performed for troops in Iraq. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUGUx5ttL18
Misconstrued would be the right word. If you can find the word "Muslim" in the lyrics below, please point it out.
American girls and American guys, will always stand up and salute.
We'll always recognize, when we see ol' glory flying,
There's a lot of men dead,
So we can sleep in peace at night when we lay down our heads.
My daddy served in the army where he lost his right eye,
But he flew a flag out in our yard 'til the day that he died.
He wanted my mother, my brother, my sister and me.
To grow up and live happy in the land of the free.

Now this nation that I love is fallin' under attack.
A mighty sucker-punch came flying in from somewhere in the back.
Soon as we could see clearly through our big black eye,
Man, we lit up your world like the fourth of July.

Hey, Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list,
And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist.
And the eagle will fly and it's gonna be hell,
When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell.
And it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you.
Ah, brought to you, courtesy of the red, white and blue.

Instrumental break.

Oh, justice will be served and the battle will rage:
This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage.
An' you'll be sorry that you messed with the U.S. of A.
'Cos we'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.

Hey, Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list,
And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist.
And the eagle will fly and it's gonna be hell,
When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell.
And it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you.
Ah, brought to you, courtesy of the red, white and blue.

And as idiotic as these next lyrics are, again...point out to me where the word Muslim is used.

"I'm just a middle-aged, middle-eastern camel herdin' man
I got a little, 2 bedroom cave here in North Afghanistan
Things used to be real nice and they got out of hand when they moved in
They call themselves the Taliban
(ooooo yeah the taliban) (taliban baby)

Now I ain't seen my wife's face since they came here
They make her wear a scarf over her head that covers her from ear to ear
She loves the desert and the hot white sand
But man she's just like me, nah she can't stand
The Taliban (ooo taliban baby)

You know someday soon we're both gonna saddle up and it'll be
Ride Camel Ride
My old lady she'll be here with me, smilin right by my side
We should do just fine out around Palestine or maybe Turkmenistan
We'll bid a fair adieu and flip the finger to the Taliban
(oh yeah the taliban) (baby)

I know where you comin from brother!
This is a patriotic love song
So y'all feel free to salute if you want,
You got my permission.

Now they attacked New York City cause they thought they could win
Said they would, stand and fight until the very bloody end
Mr Bush got on the phone with Iraq and Iran and said "Now, you
sons-of-bitches you better not be doin any business with the taliban"
(Taliban baby)

So we prayed to Allah with all of our might
Until those big U.S. jets came flyin one night
They dropped little bombs all over their holy land
And man you should have seen em run like rabbits, they ran
(the taliban)

You know someday soon we're both gonna saddle up and it'll be
Ride Camel Ride
My old lady she'll be here with me, smilin right by my side
We should do real fine out around Palestine or maybe Turkmenistan
We'll bid a fair adieu and flip a couple fingers to the Taliban
(oh yeah, taliban)
we'll bid a fair adieu and flip a big boner to The Taliban (baby)"


You have to play it backward, upside down and in a mirror, CD.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Just stop and think for a moment... (3/28/2015 10:07:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV
I know that country artist Toby Keith had at least a couple of songs that could be misconstrued as anti-Muslim, written after 9/11. Most notably, the don't fuck with 'Murrica anthem "Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue", but also the lesser known "Taliban Song", which he performed for troops in Iraq. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUGUx5ttL18
Misconstrued would be the right word. If you can find the word "Muslim" in the lyrics below, please point it out.
American girls and American guys, will always stand up and salute.
We'll always recognize, when we see ol' glory flying,
There's a lot of men dead,
So we can sleep in peace at night when we lay down our heads.
My daddy served in the army where he lost his right eye,
But he flew a flag out in our yard 'til the day that he died.
He wanted my mother, my brother, my sister and me.
To grow up and live happy in the land of the free.

Now this nation that I love is fallin' under attack.
A mighty sucker-punch came flying in from somewhere in the back.
Soon as we could see clearly through our big black eye,
Man, we lit up your world like the fourth of July.

Hey, Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list,
And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist.
And the eagle will fly and it's gonna be hell,
When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell.
And it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you.
Ah, brought to you, courtesy of the red, white and blue.

Instrumental break.

Oh, justice will be served and the battle will rage:
This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage.
An' you'll be sorry that you messed with the U.S. of A.
'Cos we'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.

Hey, Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list,
And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist.
And the eagle will fly and it's gonna be hell,
When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell.
And it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you.
Ah, brought to you, courtesy of the red, white and blue.

And as idiotic as these next lyrics are, again...point out to me where the word Muslim is used.

"I'm just a middle-aged, middle-eastern camel herdin' man
I got a little, 2 bedroom cave here in North Afghanistan
Things used to be real nice and they got out of hand when they moved in
They call themselves the Taliban
(ooooo yeah the taliban) (taliban baby)

Now I ain't seen my wife's face since they came here
They make her wear a scarf over her head that covers her from ear to ear
She loves the desert and the hot white sand
But man she's just like me, nah she can't stand
The Taliban (ooo taliban baby)

You know someday soon we're both gonna saddle up and it'll be
Ride Camel Ride
My old lady she'll be here with me, smilin right by my side
We should do just fine out around Palestine or maybe Turkmenistan
We'll bid a fair adieu and flip the finger to the Taliban
(oh yeah the taliban) (baby)

I know where you comin from brother!
This is a patriotic love song
So y'all feel free to salute if you want,
You got my permission.

Now they attacked New York City cause they thought they could win
Said they would, stand and fight until the very bloody end
Mr Bush got on the phone with Iraq and Iran and said "Now, you
sons-of-bitches you better not be doin any business with the taliban"
(Taliban baby)

So we prayed to Allah with all of our might
Until those big U.S. jets came flyin one night
They dropped little bombs all over their holy land
And man you should have seen em run like rabbits, they ran
(the taliban)

You know someday soon we're both gonna saddle up and it'll be
Ride Camel Ride
My old lady she'll be here with me, smilin right by my side
We should do real fine out around Palestine or maybe Turkmenistan
We'll bid a fair adieu and flip a couple fingers to the Taliban
(oh yeah, taliban)
we'll bid a fair adieu and flip a big boner to The Taliban (baby)"


You have to play it backward, upside down and in a mirror, CD.

Ahhhh. Thank you for the clarification, DS. Would it help if I was a bit stoned on a substance legally obtained in my state?




DesideriScuri -> RE: Just stop and think for a moment... (3/28/2015 1:55:28 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
You have to play it backward, upside down and in a mirror, CD.

Ahhhh. Thank you for the clarification, DS. Would it help if I was a bit stoned on a substance legally obtained in my state?


I wouldn't know, CD. The couple of times I've been stoned in my life were several years before 9/11, unless you count being "stoned" from operation anesthetics. If that counts, I've only been stoned once since 9/11, and I did my damnedest to not have country music playing within earshot. [:D]




PeonForHer -> RE: Just stop and think for a moment... (3/28/2015 2:39:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: JVoV

I know that country artist Toby Keith had at least a couple of songs that could be misconstrued as anti-Muslim, written after 9/11. Most notably, the don't fuck with 'Murrica anthem "Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue", but also the lesser known "Taliban Song", which he performed for troops in Iraq. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUGUx5ttL18
Misconstrued would be the right word. If you can find the word "Muslim" in the lyrics below, please point it out.

American girls and American guys, will always stand up and salute.
We'll always recognize, when we see ol' glory flying,
There's a lot of men dead,
So we can sleep in peace at night when we lay down our heads.
My daddy served in the army where he lost his right eye,
But he flew a flag out in our yard 'til the day that he died.
He wanted my mother, my brother, my sister and me.
To grow up and live happy in the land of the free.

Now this nation that I love is fallin' under attack.
A mighty sucker-punch came flying in from somewhere in the back.
Soon as we could see clearly through our big black eye,
Man, we lit up your world like the fourth of July.

Hey, Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list,
And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist.
And the eagle will fly and it's gonna be hell,
When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell.
And it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you.
Ah, brought to you, courtesy of the red, white and blue.

Instrumental break.

Oh, justice will be served and the battle will rage:
This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage.
An' you'll be sorry that you messed with the U.S. of A.
'Cos we'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.

Hey, Uncle Sam put your name at the top of his list,
And the Statue of Liberty started shaking her fist.
And the eagle will fly and it's gonna be hell,
When you hear Mother Freedom start ringing her bell.
And it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you.
Ah, brought to you, courtesy of the red, white and blue.

And as idiotic as these next lyrics are, again...point out to me where the word Muslim is used.

"I'm just a middle-aged, middle-eastern camel herdin' man
I got a little, 2 bedroom cave here in North Afghanistan
Things used to be real nice and they got out of hand when they moved in
They call themselves the Taliban
(ooooo yeah the taliban) (taliban baby)

Now I ain't seen my wife's face since they came here
They make her wear a scarf over her head that covers her from ear to ear
She loves the desert and the hot white sand
But man she's just like me, nah she can't stand
The Taliban (ooo taliban baby)

You know someday soon we're both gonna saddle up and it'll be
Ride Camel Ride
My old lady she'll be here with me, smilin right by my side
We should do just fine out around Palestine or maybe Turkmenistan
We'll bid a fair adieu and flip the finger to the Taliban
(oh yeah the taliban) (baby)

I know where you comin from brother!
This is a patriotic love song
So y'all feel free to salute if you want,
You got my permission.

Now they attacked New York City cause they thought they could win
Said they would, stand and fight until the very bloody end
Mr Bush got on the phone with Iraq and Iran and said "Now, you
sons-of-bitches you better not be doin any business with the taliban"
(Taliban baby)

So we prayed to Allah with all of our might
Until those big U.S. jets came flyin one night
They dropped little bombs all over their holy land
And man you should have seen em run like rabbits, they ran
(the taliban)

You know someday soon we're both gonna saddle up and it'll be
Ride Camel Ride
My old lady she'll be here with me, smilin right by my side
We should do real fine out around Palestine or maybe Turkmenistan
We'll bid a fair adieu and flip a couple fingers to the Taliban
(oh yeah, taliban)
we'll bid a fair adieu and flip a big boner to The Taliban (baby)"


I haven't got anything to say about this, I just thought it'd be good for one of us lefties to put the whole thing in a quote, for the sake of balance. [:)]




slvemike4u -> RE: Just stop and think for a moment... (3/28/2015 2:48:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
You have to play it backward, upside down and in a mirror, CD.

Ahhhh. Thank you for the clarification, DS. Would it help if I was a bit stoned on a substance legally obtained in my state?


I wouldn't know, CD. The couple of times I've been stoned in my life were several years before 9/11, unless you count being "stoned" from operation anesthetics. If that counts, I've only been stoned once since 9/11, and I did my damnedest to not have country music playing within earshot. [:D]

Don't sweat it DS,I've been stoned enough for the two of us....and than some [:D]




MrRodgers -> RE: Just stop and think for a moment... (3/28/2015 3:40:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


In the spirit of the "Just stop and think for a moment" topic title...

Just stop and think for a moment about this one.

K.


Yes, Monsanto 'owns' a good portion of the FDA. Just look at GMO's.




MercTech -> RE: Just stop and think for a moment... (3/29/2015 7:12:19 AM)

Genetically Modified Organisms...
Breeding for specific traits.
Hybrid seeds for better yield
Recombinant DNA to add traits to an organism.

Is the objection how the genes are modified or that the genes are modified at all? I've often wondered if many of the fear mongers realize what they are saying.





DesideriScuri -> RE: Just stop and think for a moment... (3/29/2015 11:28:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MercTech
Genetically Modified Organisms...
Breeding for specific traits.
Hybrid seeds for better yield
Recombinant DNA to add traits to an organism.
Is the objection how the genes are modified or that the genes are modified at all? I've often wondered if many of the fear mongers realize what they are saying.


One has to wonder how non-native DNA injected into a plant is going to effect the animal eating the plant. Those are the things I"m most leery of.

Breeding and hybrid seeds are more "natural" results, though not in the same time scale as the natural process. I have no qualms about those.




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