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Tkman117 -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 9:20:16 AM)

Ya because you know, they did those horrible things to further the atheist "cause" [8|]

Seriously man, do you even understand reality or do you just go with whatever the right wing says?




Sanity -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 9:36:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Ya because you know, they did those horrible things to further the atheist "cause" [8|]

Seriously man, do you even understand reality or do you just go with whatever the right wing says?


Your over reliance on ad hominems tells us a lot more about you, than it does the people you feel you have to try to tear down




Tkman117 -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 9:40:39 AM)

Funny coming the guy who makes unsubstantiated claims that athiesm was the reason Stalin and the others did horrible things. I'd rather be known for being a dick than a red neck moron who knows nothing about the world any day.




Sanity -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 9:53:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Funny coming the guy who makes unsubstantiated claims that athiesm was the reason Stalin and the others did horrible things. I'd rather be known for being a dick than a red neck moron who knows nothing about the world any day.


Thats kind of funny

Because...

I suppose that if I were "red neck moron who knows nothing about the world"... I would "debate" just like you do... [:D]




bounty44 -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 9:55:09 AM)

here's something germane to the current direction of the thread:

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Christian philosophers and theologians explain that there are causal links between mass murder and atheism. Atheism, lack belief in God, have the following characteristics that can lend itself to mass murder and can explain why the greatest mass murderers were atheists:

lack of recognition of an ultimate judge of moral actions and a judge who sets injustice aright in a last judgement, and thus do not recognize the immorality of murder.

lack of seeing the importance of human beings as images of God and so easily discarding them as merely material things, products of mere chance.

lack of acknowledging an external standard of moral perfection, thus ending up with self-created standards which can include killing for political survival.

absence of guidance by divine revelation of the moral law, such as "Thou shalt not kill".

following an ethic of atheistic evolutionism that is based on the survival and victory of the fittest, which is ultimately a bloodthirsty ethic - an ethic that is eager to kill and to maim. This ethic is about conquering others rather than self-conquest.


http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Mass_Murder




bounty44 -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 9:59:21 AM)

a little more for the reluctant to believe:

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Apparently it was just an amazing coincidence that every Communist of historical note publicly declared his atheism … .there have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm … These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democida acts of the sort committed by Stalin and Mao …

The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.


of course that's all just me believing whatever the "right wing says"

http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Mass_Murder




Lucylastic -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 10:04:28 AM)

Blind leading the blind, sweet god...




bounty44 -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 10:05:23 AM)

last thing...everyone remember this embarrassing but rather revealing and insightful debacle?

democrats booing the inclusion of "god" in the party platform.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUJE9YfsbNQ




Sanity -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 10:07:07 AM)


Bounty, I am ashamed of you

What kind of a "red neck moron who knows nothing about the world" are you, responding with facts rather than ad hominems and other general trollish disparagement




bounty44 -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 10:19:17 AM)

not to mention islamophobic, homophobic, anti-science, climate change-denying, racist and sexist too!




Tkman117 -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 10:20:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

here's something germane to the current direction of the thread:

quote:

Christian philosophers and theologians explain that there are causal links between mass murder and atheism. Atheism, lack belief in God, have the following characteristics that can lend itself to mass murder and can explain why the greatest mass murderers were atheists:

lack of recognition of an ultimate judge of moral actions and a judge who sets injustice aright in a last judgement, and thus do not recognize the immorality of murder.

lack of seeing the importance of human beings as images of God and so easily discarding them as merely material things, products of mere chance.

lack of acknowledging an external standard of moral perfection, thus ending up with self-created standards which can include killing for political survival.

absence of guidance by divine revelation of the moral law, such as "Thou shalt not kill".

following an ethic of atheistic evolutionism that is based on the survival and victory of the fittest, which is ultimately a bloodthirsty ethic - an ethic that is eager to kill and to maim. This ethic is about conquering others rather than self-conquest.


http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Mass_Murder


So your source is quite literally the most biased source against athiesm that is out there. Ya, that's quite the credible source there bounty [8|]




Sanity -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 10:38:52 AM)

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Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Butovo_Martyrs_Icon.jpg/220px-Butovo_Martyrs_Icon.jpg[/img]

Russian Orthodox Icon showing the execution of martyrs at the Butovo firing-range.

Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1922-1991), Soviet authorities suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on the particular era. Soviet policy, based on the ideology of Marxism-Leninism, made atheism the official doctrine of the Soviet Union. Marxism-Leninism has consistently advocated the control, suppression, and the elimination of religious beliefs.[1]

The state was committed to the destruction of religion,[2][3] and destroyed churches, mosques and temples, ridiculed, harassed and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with atheistic teachings, and generally promoted atheism as the truth that society should accept.[4][5] The total number of Christian victims of Soviet state atheist policies, has been estimated to range between 12-20 million.[6][7][8]

Religious beliefs and practices persisted among the majority of the population,[4] in the domestic and private spheres but also in the scattered public spaces allowed by a state that recognised its failure to eradicate religion and the political dangers of an unrelenting culture war.[2][9]


It doesnt matter what source you try to disparage, the facts are the same





Lucylastic -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 10:40:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117


So your source is quite literally the most biased source against athiesm that is out there. Ya, that's quite the credible source there bounty [8|]


dont fall for it TK...... this is Master baiting 101...dont give em the fap points.....enjoy the beauty in the world:)
here have a leopard.

[image]local://upfiles/228382/BB1E3B83FEA542B1B407BB01CD0062EA.jpg[/image]




Kirata -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 10:40:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

'Faith' is the key term and this is what most atheists would have a problem with, regarding (any) religion's epistemological claims.

I don't disagree with you about the (shall we say) risks of faith. I think they are painfully obvious. But arguments that employ Christianity as a proxy for religion suffer from the fatal flaw that not all religions are theistic or dependent on revelation.

K.




CreativeDominant -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 11:15:50 AM)

Nor are all Christians religious...I'm not.




Kirata -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 11:23:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

a little more for the reluctant to believe:

quote:

Apparently it was just an amazing coincidence that every Communist of historical note publicly declared his atheism … .there have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm … These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democida acts of the sort committed by Stalin and Mao …

The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.


of course that's all just me believing whatever the "right wing says"

Atheists are just as capable of empathy and moral behavior as anyone else. All of the regimes mentioned in your quote followed an ideology that embodies a manifest lack of empathy for the dignity of the individual and a consequent subversion of individual rights and freedoms to the needs of the "collective". Ironically, this almost always seems to lead to an obscene number of deaths among the members of said collective. But the cause is a fundamentally psychopathic ideology, not Atheism.

K.





Sanity -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 11:33:27 AM)


Militant atheism is or was an integral part of said bloodthirsty regimes, hence the millions of dead religious folk




PeonForHer -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 12:10:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Nor are all Christians religious...I'm not.


Er ... What? Does that mean you're not a churchgoer, but do believe?




GotSteel -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 8:55:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Radical Atheist Kills Three Muslims in North Carolina


Yep, THAT'S what a militant atheist looks like, everybody can see the difference right?




dcnovice -> RE: thoughts on the power of religion (4/5/2015 9:23:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
[image]local://upfiles/228382/BB1E3B83FEA542B1B407BB01CD0062EA.jpg[/image]


Great pic, Lucy! Thanks so much.

Anyone know how common/rare it is for a big cat to have two differently colored eyes.




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