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cloudboy -> David Duke and the Republicans (4/10/2015 3:37:33 PM)

Much of David Duke’s ’91 Campaign Is Now in Louisiana Mainstream

• In his 1991 campaign for governor against Edwin W. Edwards, Mr. Duke largely avoided explicitly racial campaigning, appealed to the frustrations and resentments of white voters and won more than 60 percent of the white vote while losing in a runoff election.

•Two decades later, much of his campaign has merged with the political mainstream here, and rather than a bad memory from the past

• Still, Roy Fletcher, a Baton Rouge-based political consultant who has managed campaigns for Republicans like former Gov. Mike Foster and Senator John McCain, said Mr. Duke may have become a toxic political personality, but he foreshadowed the state’s coming political and ideological shift.

• Louisiana, like most of the South, has become solidly Republican in a way it was not then, and race remains a fluid issue.

What was David Duke's 1991 platform? It was: "anti-big government and anti-tax mantras that preceded the Tea Party movement."

(1) forcing welfare recipients to take birth control; (2) measures implementing stricter guidelines for residents of public housing, repealing affirmative action programs and eliminating minority set-asides;

Something also from the Duke playbook:

"how America was founded on Christian principles, Christian men who founded this country, and how it was believed it would go forward as a Christian nation and how we’re getting away from that"

^^^ The current Republican mantra in Louisiana. This is clear example of out-grouping and positioning a majority white group -- in an imagined, beleaguered position as if other groups and ideas subvert the state of the union.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/01/us/politics/much-of-david-dukes-91-campaign-is-now-in-louisiana-mainstream.html?_r=0




hot4bondage -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 7:08:02 AM)

I remember some Louisiana, Florida, and Indiana Republicans trying to force welfare recipients to take drug tests, but I don't think forcing anyone to take birth control is part of the political mainstream anywhere in the US.




DesideriScuri -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 7:11:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: hot4bondage
I remember some Louisiana, Florida, and Indiana Republicans trying to force welfare recipients to take drug tests, but I don't think forcing anyone to take birth control is part of the political mainstream anywhere in the US.


It wasn't, but that doesn't matter.




Aylee -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 7:21:26 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: hot4bondage
I remember some Louisiana, Florida, and Indiana Republicans trying to force welfare recipients to take drug tests, but I don't think forcing anyone to take birth control is part of the political mainstream anywhere in the US.


It wasn't, but that doesn't matter.



I have a little list of people I think should be forced sterilized.




Lucylastic -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 7:25:58 AM)

no, but in the past fifty years women have been sterilised against their wishes and behind their backs. because of their race, black, puerto rican, native american, etc
that is more than "forcing birthcontrol"
Ill let you find your own links....
oh, but this one is free and from 2013, noting women in prison being sterilised against their wishes, or under extreme pressure
CIR Prison Investigation Opens Another Chapter on Sterilization of Women in U.S.

First one is sfrom http://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/2013/07/cir-prison-investigation-opens-another-chapter-on-sterilization-of-women-in-u-s/
then the second is
http://cironline.org/reports/female-inmates-sterilized-california-prisons-without-approval-4917

BY RACHEL WALDEN | JULY 10, 2013
We learned this week of an appalling story involving coerced sterilization of women — an issue that never seems to disappear completely from view despite a long and painful history.

The Center for Investigative Reporting found that at least 148 female inmates in two California prisons were sterilized between 2006 to 2010 — and there may be 100 more incidents dating back to the late 1990s.

Due to supposedly strict limits on sterilization of inmates, state approval was supposed to be obtained prior to these procedures. CIR reports that not only were approvals not obtained, but former inmates report being coerced into agreeing to sterilization.

CIR reporter Corey G. Johnson writes:

The women were signed up for the surgery while they were pregnant and housed at either the California Institution for Women in Corona or Valley State Prison for Women in Chowchilla, which is now a men’s prison.

Former inmates and prisoner advocates maintain that prison medical staff coerced the women, targeting those deemed likely to return to prison in the future.

Crystal Nguyen, a former Valley State Prison inmate who worked in the prison’s infirmary during 2007, said she often overheard medical staff asking inmates who had served multiple prison terms to agree to be sterilized.

“I was like, ‘Oh my God, that’s not right,’ ” Nguyen, 28, said. “Do they think they’re animals, and they don’t want them to breed anymore?”
Pressure was applied particularly to women with multiple children, and doctors apparently tried to bypass the required approval process. CIR reports that when Daun Martin, the Valley State Prison medical manager between 2005 and 2008, became aware of the restrictions, she and the prison’s OB-GYN, Dr. James Heinrich, worked around them:

“I’m sure that on a couple of occasions, (Heinrich) brought an issue to me saying, ‘Mary Smith is having a medical emergency’ kind of thing, ‘and we ought to have a tubal ligation. She’s got six kids. Can we do it?'” Martin said. “And I said, “Well, if you document it as a medical emergency, perhaps.'”
The story prompted The Sacramento Bee to call for a full review into whether “anyone ought to have been disciplined,” and to “make sure all the necessary safeguards are now in place.”

Forced sterilization is unfortunately nothing new in the United States: 33 states at one time allowed it for “eugenic” purposes, often targeting people of color and people with mental illnesses.

The phrase “Mississippi appendectomy” has come to describe much of this abuse, referring to the sterilization of poor black women — especially in the South — who were sterilized without their consent and sometimes without their knowledge.

Back in 2002, Oregon’s governor issued an apology for forced sterilizations carried out on women who were in state care (including, according to one article, “wayward teenage girls”). North Carolina only formally repealed its last forced sterilization law in 2003. The Winston-Salem Journal did a detailed series on these abuses in 2002. West Virginia repealed a law allowing sterilization of those deemed “mentally incompetent” just a few months ago, and it just took effect.

While these states tend to claim that sterilization abuses stopped in the late 1970s, political fighting continues in many states about whether to compensate and how to recognize victims.

Where laws have ended forced sterilization practices, however, it appears that coercion has continued to thrive.

CIR asks that anyone with knowledge of the sterilization abuses in California prisons — whether as a victim, family member, or medical or prison employee — to share their experience via this form or to contact CIR’s Corey G. Johnson directly (916-504-4085, ext. 202 or cjohnson AT cironline.org).




Sanity -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 7:30:57 AM)


"California prisons" = Democrat state, Democrat policies.




Sanity -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 7:53:13 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

no, but in the past fifty years women have been sterilised against their wishes and behind their backs. because of their race, black, puerto rican, native american, etc
that is more than "forcing birthcontrol"
Ill let you find your own links....
oh, but this one is free and from 2013, noting women in prison being sterilised against their wishes, or under extreme pressure
CIR Prison Investigation Opens Another Chapter on Sterilization of Women in U.S.

First one is sfrom http://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/2013/07/cir-prison-investigation-opens-another-chapter-on-sterilization-of-women-in-u-s/
then the second is
http://cironline.org/reports/female-inmates-sterilized-california-prisons-without-approval-4917

BY RACHEL WALDEN | JULY 10, 2013
We learned this week of an appalling story involving coerced sterilization of women — an issue that never seems to disappear completely from view despite a long and painful history.

The Center for Investigative Reporting found that at least 148 female inmates in two California prisons were sterilized between 2006 to 2010 — and there may be 100 more incidents dating back to the late 1990s.

Due to supposedly strict limits on sterilization of inmates, state approval was supposed to be obtained prior to these procedures. CIR reports that not only were approvals not obtained, but former inmates report being coerced into agreeing to sterilization.

CIR reporter Corey G. Johnson writes:

The women were signed up for the surgery while they were pregnant and housed at either the California Institution for Women in Corona or Valley State Prison for Women in Chowchilla, which is now a men’s prison.

Former inmates and prisoner advocates maintain that prison medical staff coerced the women, targeting those deemed likely to return to prison in the future.

Crystal Nguyen, a former Valley State Prison inmate who worked in the prison’s infirmary during 2007, said she often overheard medical staff asking inmates who had served multiple prison terms to agree to be sterilized.

“I was like, ‘Oh my God, that’s not right,’ ” Nguyen, 28, said. “Do they think they’re animals, and they don’t want them to breed anymore?”
Pressure was applied particularly to women with multiple children, and doctors apparently tried to bypass the required approval process. CIR reports that when Daun Martin, the Valley State Prison medical manager between 2005 and 2008, became aware of the restrictions, she and the prison’s OB-GYN, Dr. James Heinrich, worked around them:

“I’m sure that on a couple of occasions, (Heinrich) brought an issue to me saying, ‘Mary Smith is having a medical emergency’ kind of thing, ‘and we ought to have a tubal ligation. She’s got six kids. Can we do it?'” Martin said. “And I said, “Well, if you document it as a medical emergency, perhaps.'”
The story prompted The Sacramento Bee to call for a full review into whether “anyone ought to have been disciplined,” and to “make sure all the necessary safeguards are now in place.”

Forced sterilization is unfortunately nothing new in the United States: 33 states at one time allowed it for “eugenic” purposes, often targeting people of color and people with mental illnesses.

The phrase “Mississippi appendectomy” has come to describe much of this abuse, referring to the sterilization of poor black women — especially in the South — who were sterilized without their consent and sometimes without their knowledge.

Back in 2002, Oregon’s governor issued an apology for forced sterilizations carried out on women who were in state care (including, according to one article, “wayward teenage girls”). North Carolina only formally repealed its last forced sterilization law in 2003. The Winston-Salem Journal did a detailed series on these abuses in 2002. West Virginia repealed a law allowing sterilization of those deemed “mentally incompetent” just a few months ago, and it just took effect.

While these states tend to claim that sterilization abuses stopped in the late 1970s, political fighting continues in many states about whether to compensate and how to recognize victims.

Where laws have ended forced sterilization practices, however, it appears that coercion has continued to thrive.

CIR asks that anyone with knowledge of the sterilization abuses in California prisons — whether as a victim, family member, or medical or prison employee — to share their experience via this form or to contact CIR’s Corey G. Johnson directly (916-504-4085, ext. 202 or cjohnson AT cironline.org).


Also... I would bet you ten bucks that when your "Southern Eugenics" atrocities were taking place, Democrat KKK types were running the South

Democrats founded the KKK, and Democrats still today push for free abortions in minority neighborhoods, and they keep the poor trained to subsist on government handouts, and to keep empowering those who are keeping them down.




Lucylastic -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 7:55:24 AM)

ooooooooooooooh.. im NOT biting on the political "sides"
so you can whistle dixie. bless your heart
It was Grey Davis in 2003 the California Senate issued Senate Resolution No. 20 to apologize for California's eugenics laws
quote:

State Issues Apology for Policy of Sterilization
March 12, 2003|Carl Ingram | Times Staff Writer
http://articles.latimes.com/2003/mar/12/local/me-sterile12

SACRAMENTO — It was a dark chapter in American history. For more than half a century, California and other states forcibly sterilized 60,000 mentally ill people as part of a misguided national campaign to eliminate crime, "feeblemindedness," alcoholism, poverty and other problems blamed for dragging society down.

On Tuesday, Gov. Gray Davis apologized, placing California in a small group of states that have issued formal regrets.

"To the victims and their families of this past injustice," Davis said in a statement, "the people of California are deeply sorry for the suffering you endured over the years. Our hearts are heavy for the pain caused by eugenics. It was a sad and regrettable chapter ... one that must never be repeated."

As eugenics was practiced in California and 31 other states at various times between 1909 and 1964, when it stopped, individuals considered defective included alcoholics, petty criminals, the poor, disabled and mentally ill.

About 20,000 people were involuntarily sterilized in an attempt to prevent their genes from being passed on to another generation.

Eugenics was intended to "clean up the gene pool," Paul Lombardo, an expert on the subject, said during a presentation at the Capitol only hours before Davis acted.


Im focussing on the fact there there was and IS sterilization of women(forced birth control)
what about mississippi, what about oregon, what about puerto rico, what about north carolina and the other states that have used forced birth control on women for DECADES
oh...not a problem eh?
[8|]




DesideriScuri -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 7:56:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
no, but in the past fifty years women have been sterilised against their wishes and behind their backs. because of their race, black, puerto rican, native american, etc
that is more than "forcing birthcontrol"
Ill let you find your own links....
oh, but this one is free and from 2013, noting women in prison being sterilised against their wishes, or under extreme pressure
CIR Prison Investigation Opens Another Chapter on Sterilization of Women in U.S.


Was that Republican, Democrat, or neither?

I don't support coerced sterilization, and believe it's a criminal act.




Sanity -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 8:07:17 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

ooooooooooooooh.. im NOT biting on the political "sides"
so you can whistle dixie. bless your heart
It was Grey Davis in 2003 the California Senate issued Senate Resolution No. 20 to apologize for California's eugenics laws
quote:

State Issues Apology for Policy of Sterilization
March 12, 2003|Carl Ingram | Times Staff Writer
http://articles.latimes.com/2003/mar/12/local/me-sterile12

SACRAMENTO — It was a dark chapter in American history. For more than half a century, California and other states forcibly sterilized 60,000 mentally ill people as part of a misguided national campaign to eliminate crime, "feeblemindedness," alcoholism, poverty and other problems blamed for dragging society down.

On Tuesday, Gov. Gray Davis apologized, placing California in a small group of states that have issued formal regrets.

"To the victims and their families of this past injustice," Davis said in a statement, "the people of California are deeply sorry for the suffering you endured over the years. Our hearts are heavy for the pain caused by eugenics. It was a sad and regrettable chapter ... one that must never be repeated."

As eugenics was practiced in California and 31 other states at various times between 1909 and 1964, when it stopped, individuals considered defective included alcoholics, petty criminals, the poor, disabled and mentally ill.

About 20,000 people were involuntarily sterilized in an attempt to prevent their genes from being passed on to another generation.

Eugenics was intended to "clean up the gene pool," Paul Lombardo, an expert on the subject, said during a presentation at the Capitol only hours before Davis acted.


Im focussing on the fact there there was and IS sterilization of women(forced birth control)
what about mississippi, what about oregon, what about puerto rico, what about north carolina and the other states that have used forced birth control on women for DECADES
oh...not a problem eh?
[8|]



The OP was taking sides

What about Mississippi? Again, Democrat controlled KKK South at the time

Oregon = Democrats

The rest, IDK. Not pertinent now, as youve well established that its not a Republican thing as cloudboys idiotic mantra of lies tried to portray

As for your not taking sides, youre sure trying to take some swipes

(And failing badly)




mnottertail -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 8:08:32 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


"California prisons" = Democrat state, Democrat policies.


The land of Tricky Dicky, St. Wrinklemeat, and Ah'nod.




Lucylastic -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 8:09:19 AM)

then address the OP
NOT me....

31 states practised eugenics previous to 75....
learn something new
liven up that brain cell.




Sanity -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 8:11:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

then address the OP
NOT me....

31 states practised eugenics previous to 75....
learn something new
liven up that brain cell.


Its only in your feeble imagination that I wasnt already aware




Lucylastic -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 8:20:17 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

then address the OP
NOT me....

31 states practised eugenics previous to 75....
learn something new
liven up that brain cell.


Its only in your feeble imagination that I wasnt already aware

HAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA
yeah right
I believe you, really...honestly.[sm=marionette.gif]





Sanity -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 8:44:41 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

HAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA
yeah right
I believe you, really...honestly.[sm=marionette.gif]


Anyone just now learning about the history of Eugenics is woefully ignorant of history, yet here you are acting as though its this mornings news




mnottertail -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 8:58:34 AM)

Carnegie, Rockefeller, Herriman and Kellogg pumped alot of money into it. A heavily packed republican supreme court legitimized sterilization of mentally retarded in Buck v Bell.

So, it was not a strict left right thing.





Kirata -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 9:05:20 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Carnegie, Rockefeller, Herriman and Kellogg pumped alot of money into it. A heavily packed republican supreme court legitimized sterilization of mentally retarded in Buck v Bell.

So, it was not a strict left right thing.

Wasn't there a "scientific consensus" in favor of eugenics at the time?

K.




mnottertail -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 9:27:07 AM)

I am thinking there was wide acceptance in academia, but that is far from scientific community consensus. I am not aware of that, no....but could entertain some learned citations on that.

Also, there were some black folk, and white folk (cuz things were split out even scientifically as races those days) DuBois and a couple other that were thinking top 10% black and top 10% white to procreate to make a best of the best brown.

I read a book on eugenics as a kid. Didn't think too much of it.

There was once a belief that flies were spontaneously generated.


We have and have not come a long way.




Lucylastic -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 9:31:18 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

HAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA
yeah right
I believe you, really...honestly.[sm=marionette.gif]


Anyone just now learning about the history of Eugenics is woefully ignorant of history, yet here you are acting as though its this mornings news

well I admit the women in cali state prisons being sterilised was new to me,
but guess what, eugenics is far from a new subject.
Victorian morals, the status of women in general the church and the experimental medical knowledge, and forcing women against their will, in either forced birthing or forced sterilization( men were sterilized as well) is still being fought today
Oh and guess what it happened in Canada and the UK.
It doesnt make it any the less reprehensible




Kirata -> RE: David Duke and the Republicans (4/11/2015 9:44:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I am thinking there was wide acceptance in academia, but that is far from scientific community consensus. I am not aware of that, no....but could entertain some learned citations on that.

I don't know if "97%" of scientists agreed, but it seems to have had something of a scientific pedigree for awhile...

The scientific reputation of eugenics started to decline in the 1930s, a time when Ernst Rüdin used eugenics as a justification for the racial policies of Nazi Germany. ~Eugenics

K.





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