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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

Enter "Character Education."

I believe there have been a number of grants and funding programs over the years (especially a few years ago) to schools that required some sort of moral education. So as much as it might ruffle your feathers (and mine), the principal may very well have been correct. Their funding might have been based on proving that they've provided some sort of moral education.

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the pic is so damn small

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

While I agree with you in theory, the reality is there are kids coming to school with no sense of any morality at all.

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the pic is so damn small

How's this?

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

But what is stopping a school from assuring that its students have the basics then move on to any alternative learning plan they want... Learning, by the way, can be accomplished in many ways... common core is not mandating methods... just the results are being monitored.

Butch

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It is not a chicken and egg thing, it is the reality of single parent homes, women who think they have to have a baby with every man they fuck and people who have no business parenting being the most fertile ones walking around.
There is a saying that goes something like "A child who is loved at home will come to school to learn. A child who is not will come to school to be loved."
If a child believes that the only way they can get attention is back acting badly, I am going to make sure I do all I can to praise the\m when they act well, and hope that I can teach them some type of a lesson. That may not be what you are talking about, but the fact is in some districts, our main job is to try to teach lessons to children, lessons that hove nothing to do with the 3 r's

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It is not a chicken and egg thing, it is the reality of single parent homes, women who think they have to have a baby with every man they fuck and people who have no business parenting being the most fertile ones walking around.
There is a saying that goes something like "A child who is loved at home will come to school to learn. A child who is not will come to school to be loved."
If a child believes that the only way they can get attention is back acting badly, I am going to make sure I do all I can to praise the\m when they act well, and hope that I can teach them some type of a lesson. That may not be what you are talking about, but the fact is in some districts, our main job is to try to teach lessons to children, lessons that hove nothing to do with the 3 r's

I can't discuss this with you, anymore. You're obviously a teacher and one that is well entrenched in the idea that it is a good idea for the government to raise our children.

All I will say is that it's been done before and in none of the instances of which I'm aware did it work out well for the people, individually or the society, collectively.



Michael

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub

It is not a chicken and egg thing, it is the reality of single parent homes, women who think they have to have a baby with every man they fuck and people who have no business parenting being the most fertile ones walking around.
There is a saying that goes something like "A child who is loved at home will come to school to learn. A child who is not will come to school to be loved."
If a child believes that the only way they can get attention is back acting badly, I am going to make sure I do all I can to praise the\m when they act well, and hope that I can teach them some type of a lesson. That may not be what you are talking about, but the fact is in some districts, our main job is to try to teach lessons to children, lessons that hove nothing to do with the 3 r's

I can't discuss this with you, anymore. You're obviously a teacher and one that is well entrenched in the idea that it is a good idea for the government to raise our children.

All I will say is that it's been done before and in none of the instances of which I'm aware did it work out well for the people, individually or the society, collectively.



Michael

there's an interesting tension there that was (and continues to be) made manifest in the debate over teaching material as opposed to building self esteem (not that they are necessarily mutually exclusive). when I walk into a classroom from the perspective of the former and have a room full of students expecting/wanting the former, its a mess. its been my unfortunate experience there are too many students caring about their egos independent from any sense of academic achievement.

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A lot of the responsibility should also rest with the parents. To blame the teacher for a child's failure in school is like blaming the doctor when a lifelong smoker dies of lung cancer.

This is very true. Parental support for academic achievement is, among my friends and relatives in the education business, one of the most important factors for academic success. Here's the problem, though, are we going to legislate requirements for parental support of academic studies? How do we force single-parent homes where the parent is struggling to get along?

This is one of my biggest issues with today's educational system. We continue to think that throwing more and more money into the schools is going to fix a problem that isn't in the school's ability (or authority) to fix. There is a parental responsibility for a child to succeed that is almost a requirement (it takes a special child to be able to succeed when the parent(s) aren't adequately supporting educational achievement). The breakdown of the family unit is a big problem that has to be solved by society. Adults not taking responsibility for the proper maturation of their children causes a lot of ills and increases costs to society.

It doesn't take a village, unless the parents can't or won't take the responsibility.

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No... it is just that your posts are making sense and I was continuing my thoughts that your posts inspired.

Butch

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Testing doesn't improve anything or help anyone.

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A lot of the responsibility should also rest with the parents. To blame the teacher for a child's failure in school is like blaming the doctor when a lifelong smoker dies of lung cancer.

This is very true. Parental support for academic achievement is, among my friends and relatives in the education business, one of the most important factors for academic success. Here's the problem, though, are we going to legislate requirements for parental support of academic studies? How do we force single-parent homes where the parent is struggling to get along?

This is one of my biggest issues with today's educational system. We continue to think that throwing more and more money into the schools is going to fix a problem that isn't in the school's ability (or authority) to fix. There is a parental responsibility for a child to succeed that is almost a requirement (it takes a special child to be able to succeed when the parent(s) aren't adequately supporting educational achievement). The breakdown of the family unit is a big problem that has to be solved by society. Adults not taking responsibility for the proper maturation of their children causes a lot of ills and increases costs to society.

It doesn't take a village, unless the parents can't or won't take the responsibility.

THIS is why it is such a shame that parents aren't required to pay some type of "tuition" for their children instead of having everyone else in town who either have already raised and educated their children......or better yet....have never had children....pay for their children to go to school. A lot of people don't care about something until it hits them in the wallet. Maybe if most of the money used to support public schools came from the parents of the children who are actually using the schools....those parents might actually pay attention to what their kid is doing in school?

Never mind.....who am I kidding?