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Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 2:28:24 AM

joether

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The Holy Bible!

Even though it violates the state and federal laws on the 'separation of Church and State', Tennessee Republicans pushed to make the Holy Bible the official book for the state. Knowing that they would be violating the law, these people voted on the bill anyways. After all, whose going to prosecute them? The Republican Party in the state?

What should happen to those who knowingly violate the law, do it for their political/religious reasons?

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 3:07:37 AM

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The Holy Bible!

Except it isn't.

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 5:06:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

The Holy Bible!

Even though it violates the state and federal laws on the 'separation of Church and State', Tennessee Republicans pushed to make the Holy Bible the official book for the state. Knowing that they would be violating the law, these people voted on the bill anyways. After all, whose going to prosecute them? The Republican Party in the state?

What should happen to those who knowingly violate the law, do it for their political/religious reasons?

Isn't the Bible a book?
Doesn't it count as literature?
Hasn't it influenced several societies?
Where did they say that anyone had to accept it as "gospel"?

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 5:13:14 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

The Holy Bible!

Even though it violates the state and federal laws on the 'separation of Church and State', Tennessee Republicans pushed to make the Holy Bible the official book for the state. Knowing that they would be violating the law, these people voted on the bill anyways. After all, whose going to prosecute them? The Republican Party in the state?

What should happen to those who knowingly violate the law, do it for their political/religious reasons?

Isn't the Bible a book?
Doesn't it count as literature?
Hasn't it influenced several societies?
Where did they say that anyone had to accept it as "gospel"?

Well the thread title was a lie, why would you expect anything else he posted to be any different. And according to this link it wasn't even a close vote.

Tennessee’s House of Representatives will not make the Holy Bible the official state book after lawmakers defeated the proposal 22-9 on Wednesday, according to The Tennessean newspaper.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/tennessee-house-votes-make-bible-official-state-book

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 5:20:18 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: joether

The Holy Bible!

Even though it violates the state and federal laws on the 'separation of Church and State', Tennessee Republicans pushed to make the Holy Bible the official book for the state. Knowing that they would be violating the law, these people voted on the bill anyways. After all, whose going to prosecute them? The Republican Party in the state?

What should happen to those who knowingly violate the law, do it for their political/religious reasons?

Isn't the Bible a book?
Doesn't it count as literature?
Hasn't it influenced several societies?
Where did they say that anyone had to accept it as "gospel"?

Well the thread title was a lie, why would you expect anything else he posted to be any different. And according to this link it wasn't even a close vote.

Tennessee’s House of Representatives will not make the Holy Bible the official state book after lawmakers defeated the proposal 22-9 on Wednesday, according to The Tennessean newspaper.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/tennessee-house-votes-make-bible-official-state-book

Come on now facts? He is wise enough to see past them, just ask him.

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 5:58:04 AM

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What should happen to those who knowingly violate the law, do it for their political/religious reasons?

Drag them behind a car with a chain that's wrapped around their ankles. Seriously though, I would like to see them banned from politics, lobbying, political volunteering, etc for the rest of their lives.

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 6:13:50 AM

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I wish people would understand what the text of the first amendment is.

Short of that, I wish they'd show me where, in the constitution, is the phrase: "separation of church and state" (Bonus points if they can tell me, without benefit of google, whence that phrase actually originates).

God bless us, one and all.

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 6:17:13 AM

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I wish people would understand what the text of the first amendment is.

Short of that, I wish they'd show me where, in the constitution, is the phrase: "separation of church and state" (Bonus points if they can tell me, without benefit of google, whence that phrase actually originates).

God bless us, one and all.

Michael

It isn't in the Constitution, it was in a letter that Jefferson wrote to Adams (the elder).

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 6:27:46 AM

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It isn't in the Constitution, it was in a letter that Jefferson wrote to Adams (the elder).

The letter was to the Danbury Baptist Association after they had written to Jefferson, complaining about how they were being discriminated against by the state of Connecticut (and other New England States).

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 7:38:20 AM

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I just don't understand why a State needs a " State Book"... It may not be against the Constitution to do this but it is still wrong. The job of a State government is to be inclusive in as many ways as reasonable. What would they think if the Koran was made the official book? This is a stupid, insensitive, ridiculous, idea whose only purpose is to sanction one religion over another or no religion at all. And... to instill this religion's principals in government.

Religion should be private in the home or church not in our public schools and institutions. It is a guide to live life by and it may govern individual actions but should never be used to govern.

Many of our laws and Constitutional tenets are based on teaching in the Bible but they can stand alone outside of religion and govern those of all or no religion... We don't need to sponsor a majority religion just because we feel our religion is threatened.. If it is true and just it will endure... if not it needs to go... No government sponsoring will aid or subtract from its future.

Butch

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 7:48:44 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

I just don't understand why a State needs a " State Book"... It may not be against the Constitution to do this but it is still wrong. The job of a State government is to be inclusive in as many ways as reasonable. What would they think if the Koran was made the official book? This is a stupid, insensitive, ridiculous, idea whose only purpose is to sanction one religion over another or no religion at all. And... to instill this religion's principals in government.

Religion should be private in the home or church not in our public schools and institutions. It is a guide to live life by and it may govern individual actions but should never be used to govern.

Butch

They have state flowers, dinosaurs, trees, foods, animals, songs, birds, dances, fish, insect, gems, yadda yadda, and the list goes on. Why NOT a state book?

Here is the wiki list for Washington State Symbols.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Washington_state_symbols

We have a STATE VEGETABLE!

And you find a state choosing a BOOK, to be wrong?

Just cannot get away from wrongthought and wrongfun. *sigh*

I wonder if all the people that do not like onions are feeling left out now? The newest micro-aggression?

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 7:51:54 AM

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Aylee flowers and dinosaurs etc relate to all equally in the state... does the Bible?

Butch

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 7:59:16 AM

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FR

the fact that it got thru the house yesterday and failed passage in the senate last night and they have sent it back to committee for a year......seems to have escaped some of you.....I suspect in your hurry to call Joe a liar....
well done, now do ya want a medal or chest to pin one on?

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 8:08:17 AM

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Not sure how this relates to me Lucy...it is not if it is official or proposed but is it right or wrong.

Butch

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 8:26:15 AM

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the truth of the situation aside for a moment for dramatic effect...

accursed bitter hillbillies clinging to their guns and religion!

from the Tennessee state constitution:

"Article 9, Section 2:
"No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state."

there's a great book I can recommend to some of you, the myth of separation by david barton. it's about the Christian/theistic influences on the founding of our country and the founders/framers ideas on the role of god in the public square.

in the meantime...

go vols!

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 8:35:15 AM

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Not sure how this relates to me Lucy...it is not if it is official or proposed but is it right or wrong.

Butch

I don't know, Bitch...I find very little redeeming in this song, adapted as late as 1940:

Carry Me back to Old Virginny
Written by James Bland

Carry me back to old Virginny,
There's where the cotton and the corn and tatoes grow,
There's where the birds warble sweet in the springtime,
There's where the old darke'ys heart am long'd to go,
There's where I labored so hard for old massa,
Day after day in the field of yellow corn,
No place on earth do I love more sincerely
Than old Virginny, the state where I was born.
CHORUS
Carry me back to old Virginny,
There's where the cotton and the corn and tatoes grow,
There's where the birds warble sweet in the springtime,
There's where this old darkey's heart am long'd to go.
Carry me back to old Virginny,
There let me live 'till I wither and decay,
Long by the old Dismal Swamp have I wandered,
There's where this old darke'ys life will pass away.
Massa and missis have long gone before me,
Soon we will meet on that bright and golden shore,
There we'll be happy and free from all sorrow,
There's where we'll meet and we'll never part no more.

http://www.50states.com/songs/virginia.htm

That was the Virginian state song...written by an African-American...until 2015, when it was replaced by "Our Great Virginia" by the state's General Assembly. The orginal song is considered to be the "State Song Emeritus".

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 8:44:30 AM

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As we know CD... there is no cure for the human condition. All we can do is take our medicine of respect, charity, and fairness and hope it keeps us alive.

Butch

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 10:05:32 AM

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It isn't in the Constitution, it was in a letter that Jefferson wrote to Adams (the elder).

The letter was to the Danbury Baptist Association after they had written to Jefferson, complaining about how they were being discriminated against by the state of Connecticut (and other New England States).

Michael

OK

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 10:17:27 AM

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Not sure how this relates to me Lucy...it is not if it is official or proposed but is it right or wrong.

Butch

Sweetie, please note the FR, it wasnt aimed at you at all.
you really need to ask wether its right or wrong in my opinion?

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RE: Tennessee state book is.... - 4/17/2015 10:25:56 AM

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Aylee flowers and dinosaurs etc relate to all equally in the state... does the Bible?

Butch

What about the State Endemic Mammal? The Olympic Marmot. That only pertains to people living on the Olympic peninsula.

But really, other than state history in 4th grade, who pays attention to state symbols?

Now. . . if it was State Cake Day, people would pay attention.

As the Hugo nominations have just shown us, there is NOT a book that could be used as a state symbol without a bunch of people fuzzed up about it. This is all sound and fury signifying nothing.

I am sure that there are people fuzzed up about the Washington State song as well. Especially in 1950 when it became official.

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