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BamaD -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/16/2015 9:21:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HunterCA


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ORIGINAL: LuneRune

I haven't read through the entire thread so I don't know if this has been said yet or not, but death for this POS buys him an all expense paid ticket to martyrdom and paradise...according to his beliefs. Is that punishment? A lifetime in prison where he fades into obscurity and old age - that's punishment.



Yes, there have been many, expected, colorful descriptions of alternatives to granting him 70 virgins. But, your point is valid and well taken.

A pure pork diet for example.



JVoV -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/17/2015 12:14:16 AM)

The death sentence doesn't bother me in this case.



BamaD -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/17/2015 12:17:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: JVoV

The death sentence doesn't bother me in this case.

Me either.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/17/2015 12:59:02 AM)


There is some validity to the argument that making this guy a martyr is not a good thing. If it didn't go against the principles of this country, I would suggest a "secret execution" (and I think that may still happen).

That said; I believe that there are some crimes that "scream for the vengeance of heaven" and I believe that willful, cold-blooded murder is one of them.



Michael



BiFVirgin -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/17/2015 4:47:57 AM)

I'd go along with the life sentence, were it not for the fact that we'd have to pay annually to keep the garbage alive.

Killing him too fast though is not going to be a solution - make him suffer excruciating emotional pain first - cruel and unusual punishment.

Death by pressure-cooker bomb should be his method of execution. Don't set a time for it to happen....chain him into some bleacher-type structure and let him wonder when it is going to go off. Throw in a few "faux-explosion" type events to unnerve the shit out of him.

L



Tkman117 -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/17/2015 4:54:48 AM)

I agree ^^ if he's going to die, let Ramsey Snow in there and flay him alive. Make him suffer going out of the world, either that and lock him up and make him suffer that way.



kdsub -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/17/2015 8:12:23 AM)

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There is some validity to the argument that making this guy a martyr is not a good thing


Just me personally... this sentence and justice is for America. I really do not care if he is a martyr or not...and the fact i don't care perhaps would be the greater disrespect to him and his radical religion.

Whether he lives or dies will not change the feelings of radicals toward America one little bit so if they do not care I don't either.

Butch



Sanity -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/17/2015 8:16:13 AM)


The martyr argument holds no water

There are no virgins awaiting him, and those who would make him as a saint are already at war with us.



FelineRanger -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/17/2015 8:36:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BiFVirgin

I'd go along with the life sentence, were it not for the fact that we'd have to pay annually to keep the garbage alive.

Killing him too fast though is not going to be a solution - make him suffer excruciating emotional pain first - cruel and unusual punishment.

Death by pressure-cooker bomb should be his method of execution. Don't set a time for it to happen....chain him into some bleacher-type structure and let him wonder when it is going to go off. Throw in a few "faux-explosion" type events to unnerve the shit out of him.

L


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117
I agree ^^ if he's going to die, let Ramsey Snow in there and flay him alive. Make him suffer going out of the world, either that and lock him up and make him suffer that way.



One of the purposes to a trial is to demonstrate that we are better, as individuals and as a culture, than the ones he embraces. How does engaging in the same kind of torture as he did show that?



Aylee -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/17/2015 8:47:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FelineRanger


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ORIGINAL: BiFVirgin

I'd go along with the life sentence, were it not for the fact that we'd have to pay annually to keep the garbage alive.

Killing him too fast though is not going to be a solution - make him suffer excruciating emotional pain first - cruel and unusual punishment.

Death by pressure-cooker bomb should be his method of execution. Don't set a time for it to happen....chain him into some bleacher-type structure and let him wonder when it is going to go off. Throw in a few "faux-explosion" type events to unnerve the shit out of him.

L


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117
I agree ^^ if he's going to die, let Ramsey Snow in there and flay him alive. Make him suffer going out of the world, either that and lock him up and make him suffer that way.



One of the purposes to a trial is to demonstrate that we are better, as individuals and as a culture, than the ones he embraces. How does engaging in the same kind of torture as he did show that?


The purpose of a trial is to determine guilt or innocence. He is guilty. What happens next is the penalty for the action.



Sanity -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/17/2015 8:50:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FelineRanger

One of the purposes to a trial is to demonstrate that we are better, as individuals and as a culture, than the ones he embraces. How does engaging in the same kind of torture as he did show that?


Did you pull that out of a comic book?

The purpose of the trial is to establish guilt or innocence, and to dispense justice as society deems fit. Society isnt on trial, nor is the death penalty. A murderer is, and it is his actions alone that condemn him well before the jury is ever assembled. The trial only brings his self condemnation to light.

Murder isnt the taking of a life (as in an act of war, or removing a feeding tube, etc). Murder is the deliberate killing of an innocent person

And yeah we are better than that because the jury has determined that Tsarnaev, who had full legal representation at an open and fair public trial, is not an innocent person.



HunterCA -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/17/2015 8:54:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FelineRanger


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ORIGINAL: BiFVirgin

I'd go along with the life sentence, were it not for the fact that we'd have to pay annually to keep the garbage alive.

Killing him too fast though is not going to be a solution - make him suffer excruciating emotional pain first - cruel and unusual punishment.

Death by pressure-cooker bomb should be his method of execution. Don't set a time for it to happen....chain him into some bleacher-type structure and let him wonder when it is going to go off. Throw in a few "faux-explosion" type events to unnerve the shit out of him.

L


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117
I agree ^^ if he's going to die, let Ramsey Snow in there and flay him alive. Make him suffer going out of the world, either that and lock him up and make him suffer that way.



One of the purposes to a trial is to demonstrate that we are better, as individuals and as a culture, than the ones he embraces. How does engaging in the same kind of torture as he did show that?



Really? Where is that written down? Or are you just being the morality police. I love when liberals are the morality police. I usually will end up telling them exactly where they can stuff it. So, provide some links please. This isn't your garage where you get together with both your friends, smoke pot, and boast about how you're going to stick it to the man.



Aylee -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/17/2015 11:13:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

I agree ^^ if he's going to die, let Ramsey Snow in there and flay him alive. Make him suffer going out of the world, either that and lock him up and make him suffer that way.


Puh-lease! Ramsey is fictional. Try this idea on for size instead:

Hook-up on a prison-marriage site. THEN let George R.R. Martin plan the wedding!



HunterCA -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/17/2015 5:40:53 PM)

This is sad.

http://www.vocativ.com/usa/nat-sec/boston-marathon-bomber-dzohokar-tsnarnaev-mother/




DaddySatyr -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/17/2015 7:05:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


The martyr argument holds no water

There are no virgins awaiting him, and those who would make him as a saint are already at war with us.



Butch came closer to what I meant with:

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

There is some validity to the argument that making this guy a martyr is not a good thing


Just me personally... this sentence and justice is for America. I really do not care if he is a martyr or not...and the fact i don't care perhaps would be the greater disrespect to him and his radical religion.

Whether he lives or dies will not change the feelings of radicals toward America one little bit so if they do not care I don't either.

Butch



Butch, do you not think that the ability for the Muslim Jihadis to hold this guy up as a martyr will not strengthen their recruiting efforts?

I'm not saying that that should weigh into the verdict. I was just giving a nod to the reality of the world in which we live. No?



Michael



kdsub -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/18/2015 8:42:08 AM)

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Butch, do you not think that the ability for the Muslim Jihadis to hold this guy up as a martyr will not strengthen their recruiting efforts?

I'm not saying that that should weigh into the verdict. I was just giving a nod to the reality of the world in which we live. No?


Michael I don't believe so. Killing and maiming innocent women and children is not a good recruiting tool...Now disrespecting a religion and it's beliefs is. Otherwise anyone who would be inspired to take up arms over this bombing would do so even without his execution. But I do believe that the assholes who, in the name of free speech, disrespect a religion will inspire recruits...there is a significant difference between the two I believe.

But just say his execution does inspire more recruits...perhaps it is better to deal with them now instead of passing them along to our children and grandchildren.

Butch



Sanity -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/18/2015 8:51:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Michael I don't believe so. Killing and maiming innocent women and children is not a good recruiting tool...Now disrespecting a religion and it's beliefs is. Otherwise anyone who would be inspired to take up arms over this bombing would do so even without his execution. But I do believe that the assholes who, in the name of free speech, disrespect a religion will inspire recruits...there is a significant difference between the two I believe.

But just say his execution does inspire more recruits...perhaps it is better to deal with them now instead of passing them along to our children and grandchildren.

Butch


Rather, if certain religious cultists arent tolerant of our society, of our deep respect for free speech rights, then perhaps we should be diligent in screening them out of future immigration quotas

What if those "assholes" were to come looking for people who called them assholes

Not acceptable, but your publicly calling them assholes is your right, one which no one should have the right to intimidate you over much less kill you over



kdsub -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/18/2015 9:03:06 AM)

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What if those "assholes" were to come looking for people who called them assholes


Then they would be the bigger assholes...and because of the 2nd amendment I could blow their dumb asses away...legally...[:D]

At least here in the gun crazy state of Missouri.

Butch



Sanity -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/18/2015 9:16:09 AM)


You dont feel like they may recruit more assholes though? Or that your life is in danger for speaking out against their assholishness?



kdsub -> RE: Should Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be executed? (5/18/2015 9:50:03 AM)

I feel that executing this man will make no difference to their recruiting..where disrespecting their religion will... as for me and speaking out against the foolishness in Texas.... yes speaking out against fanaticism anywhere could be dangerous. I certainly don't think all those participating in that so called free speech demonstration are dangerous or fanatics...but some are and deserve to be called assholes... just my free speech opinion.

Butch



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