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When a liberal (current definition not the original one) see a problem he says what can the government do to fix this.
When a conservative sees the same problem he says how can we fix this without the government.

And anyone with sense doesn't leave out any options.

Conservatives use government as last resort.
Liberals try the government option for twenty or thirty years then try another government solution.

The reason CONservatives use the federal Government as last resort, is so there's over 50 variations of the so-called "solution" with accompanying variations of CONfusing loopholes so that the problem continues for the people least likely to be able to pay for the over-priced solution, and the Real constituents of conservatives continue to profit from the problem, and the middle class gets told all they have to do is work harder to fix the problem. (don't forget to wear your flag pin while you do that, BTW.)

Liberals want ONE uniform nationwide government solution to the problem for the middle class and the poor, without the CONfusion, loopholes, and the profit centers the CONservatives like. WHY? Because the private sector has proven it will never affect the complete solution or a solution at all without profits being first priority over people.

The idea that conservatives want to avoid helping people is a key excuse for insisting on a government solution to any problem. It isn't true but what does that have to do with ideology? BTW they also look to state or local government to solve more localized problems so the uniformity across the nation argument is bogus justification for what they already wanted to do.

Your response tells it all, even what you are unaware of. You know the more you splinter a law the less effective the law is to solve the problem, so Why are you agreeing with this when you know it is true? 50+ law variations in per state times 50+ law variations in per state governments = 2,500+ variations of a law and that's supposed to work on a nationwide problem??? THATS WHATS BOGUS.

The fact that every time there is an idea of a tax cut conservatives are the ONLY people holding out the whole process to give the wealthy the cut too. Higher minimum wages, child tax credits, and every financial advantage Originally purely intended for the middle-class and poor a has been held hostage by Republicans and conservatives for tax cuts for the wealthy, and you have the nerve to say I'm wrong??

If I'd had to wait for the state, county and city governments to make the Federal Civil Rights Act into law, not a damn thing would have changed in many areas of this nation, and not a damn body anywhere to enforce the law in the places that did.

The only things that conservatives will vote for is a wartime economy, deficit spending,& tax cuts for the wealthy,... In no particular order.

It is unfortunate that you actually believe that.

It is unfortunate that your party actually gives anyone the reason in any way to believe that. Seeing is believing, BamaD. Oh wait, u don't see....

So when your party votes for a purely middle-class and poor tax cut with no wealthy tax cut Attached... I'll change my mind then for a moment or two.

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When a liberal (current definition not the original one) see a problem he says what can the government do to fix this.
When a conservative sees the same problem he says how can we fix this without the government.

And anyone with sense doesn't leave out any options.

Conservatives use government as last resort.
Liberals try the government option for twenty or thirty years then try another government solution.

The reason CONservatives use the federal Government as last resort, is so there's over 50 variations of the so-called "solution" with accompanying variations of CONfusing loopholes so that the problem continues for the people least likely to be able to pay for the over-priced solution, and the Real constituents of conservatives continue to profit from the problem, and the middle class gets told all they have to do is work harder to fix the problem. (don't forget to wear your flag pin while you do that, BTW.)

Liberals want ONE uniform nationwide government solution to the problem for the middle class and the poor, without the CONfusion, loopholes, and the profit centers the CONservatives like. WHY? Because the private sector has proven it will never affect the complete solution or a solution at all without profits being first priority over people.

The idea that conservatives want to avoid helping people is a key excuse for insisting on a government solution to any problem. It isn't true but what does that have to do with ideology? BTW they also look to state or local government to solve more localized problems so the uniformity across the nation argument is bogus justification for what they already wanted to do.

Your response tells it all, even what you are unaware of. You know the more you splinter a law the less effective the law is to solve the problem, so Why are you agreeing with this when you know it is true? 50+ law variations in per state times 50+ law variations in per state governments = 2,500+ variations of a law and that's supposed to work on a nationwide problem??? THATS WHATS BOGUS.

The fact that every time there is an idea of a tax cut conservatives are the ONLY people holding out the whole process to give the wealthy the cut too. Higher minimum wages, child tax credits, and every financial advantage Originally purely intended for the middle-class and poor a has been held hostage by Republicans and conservatives for tax cuts for the wealthy, and you have the nerve to say I'm wrong??

If I'd had to wait for the state, county and city governments to make the Federal Civil Rights Act into law, not a damn thing would have changed in many areas of this nation, and not a damn body anywhere to enforce the law in the places that did.

The only things that conservatives will vote for is a wartime economy, deficit spending,& tax cuts for the wealthy,... In no particular order.

It is unfortunate that you actually believe that.

It is unfortunate that your party actually gives anyone the reason in any way to believe that. Seeing is believing, BamaD. Oh wait, u don't see....

So when your party votes for a purely middle-class and poor tax cut with no wealthy tax cut Attached... I'll change my mind then for a moment or two.

Did you know that in the "tax cut for the rich" the wealthy ended up paying a higher percentage of the income tax than they did before? Didn't think so because you have been subjected to and inclined toward the propaganda.

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Did you know that in the "tax cut for the rich" the wealthy ended up paying a higher percentage of the income tax than they did before? Didn't think so because you have been subjected to and inclined toward the propaganda.

you really need to put the Margaritas down for an hour before you desperately reply like that. The point is the wealthy don't need tax cuts at all. What the wealthy really need is tax incentives to spend money on American workers, and American business not another Bush style open-ended tax cut that they spend on that BMW, Lexus or Mercedes.
Considering that the GOP only advocates "across the board" tax cuts (wait a minute!! That means the wealthy paid less taxes,.....how shocking!) Even in the height of the last recession, the wealthiest Americans Had the "rich poor income gap" increase by double digits every year Bush tax cuts were enforced, including years where the GOP held such things as unemployment benefits hostage in order to keep the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy in place.
So please spare me the propaganda bull because you're the one trying to defend the position that really has no defense.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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Then you have brownback who gave tax cuts out willy nilly to the unpoor, gave two 2 huge cuts and tightening regulations on the poor, and now will have to close the schools for the rest of the school year, SO he wants to up a sales(read sin) tax(again hitting the poorer pop) because of those tax cuts.
Conveniently people dont care unless they can play" youre a liar" because lingerie shops are lingerire shops not walmarts period panties and over the shoulder boulder holders.
Ignoring the reality of the facts. That a huge proportion of those on food stamps ACTUALLY do work.

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Conveniently people dont care unless they can play" youre a liar" because lingerie shops are lingerire shops not walmarts period panties and over the shoulder boulder holders.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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NOT TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR
Liberals see proper tax rates based on what the government lets you keep.
Bill Clinton summed it up very well. "some people say it's your money. but what if you don't spend it the right way?" (approximate quote) He made it clear that the government knew more about how to spend your money than you.
Conservatives see it based on what the government takes. Because you earned it not them.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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NOT TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR
Liberals see proper tax rates based on what the government lets you keep.
Bill Clinton summed it up very well. "some people say it's your money. but what if you don't spend it the right way?" (approximate quote) He made it clear that the government knew more about how to spend your money than you.
Conservatives see it based on what the government takes. Because you earned it not them.

I think you can go a step further and say that Clinton thought (as do many current Democrats) that your income is not actually yours, while Conservatives believe it is yours. If my income is not mine, government can rightly decide how my money is spent with no consideration to what I think. Government, then, would have the property rights to my income. However, if I own my income, and my income is my property, then I get to decide to what use it goes. It's mine. I earned it. I get to decide what to do with it. Every dollar a gazillionaire earns is exactly the same as every dollar a pissbucket boy earns (he better wait for the shake, though). The gazillionaire probably doesn't hold each dollar as dear, but the value of those dollars is the same everywhere.

At what point are we going to decide that it's up to each person to decide how many dollars he or she wants to earn, and allow him or her to decide how to legally earn them?

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NOT TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR

Liberals see proper tax rates based on what the government lets you keep.
Bill Clinton summed it up very well. "some people say it's your money. but what if you don't spend it the right way?" (approximate quote) He made it clear that the government knew more about how to spend your money than you.
Conservatives see it based on what the government takes. Because you earned it not them.

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NOT TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR
Liberals see proper tax rates based on what the government lets you keep.
Bill Clinton summed it up very well. "some people say it's your money. but what if you don't spend it the right way?" (approximate quote) He made it clear that the government knew more about how to spend your money than you.
Conservatives see it based on what the government takes. Because you earned it not them.

approximate quote......so if I put that in parentheses,I can,using quotations put whatever words I want in whomsoever's mouth I want to ?

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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NOT TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR
Liberals see proper tax rates based on what the government lets you keep.
Bill Clinton summed it up very well. "some people say it's your money. but what if you don't spend it the right way?" (approximate quote) He made it clear that the government knew more about how to spend your money than you.
Conservatives see it based on what the government takes. Because you earned it not them.

approximate quote......so if I put that in parentheses,I can,using quotations put whatever words I want in whomsoever's mouth I want to ?

At least the quotes set apart what was being approximately quoted, from the rest of what he was saying, and he did acknowledge it wasn't verbatim.

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When a liberal (current definition not the original one) see a problem he says what can the government do to fix this.
When a conservative sees the same problem he says how can we fix this without the government.

Fucking bullshit.

Nobody in the English-speaking world uses the terms 'conservative' and 'liberal' like Americans, PS. I know: it's enough to cause a migraine;

That must make it very difficult for the bigots who can't have a conversation about anything without first determining how it fits with the left vs right bullshit they love to drag into everything they do.

What it's got to do with 'bigotry' is beyond me. Still, it's always worth throwing in that word, even if it's completely irrelevant, should it help you make a dig.

As I've tried to explain to you before on various occasions, the terms 'left wing' and 'right wing' are fundamental in politics. For instance, it's impossible to imagine any course in politics at even the most junior level that doesn't use them because they're so central to just about any given topic later in that course. Certainly it's been true of any course I've ever done. It would be pretty much like trying to do a maths course without ever using the terms 'plus' or 'minus'.

I'm sorry that the terms upset you, but you really will just have to get used to them and what they imply regarding your own political worldview, THB.

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That must make it very difficult for the bigots who can't have a conversation about anything without first determining how it fits with the left vs right bullshit they love to drag into everything they do.

Including yourself.

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That must make it very difficult for the bigots who can't have a conversation about anything without first determining how it fits with the left vs right bullshit they love to drag into everything they do.

Including yourself.

I would ask for an example of this but I learned a long time ago, while you are good at throwing out bullshit, you aren't so hot about backing that shit up. So I will merely ask that you stop telling lies about me and go troll someone else.