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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 11:02:07 AM

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If the good people of Kansas ,and anywhere else for that matter,choose to use the functionings of government in such small minded petty ways as this I for one don't give a shit.
I have no dog in this fight....but I would think folks feel that their elected officials have better things to do than this petty bullshit.

The purpose of benefit money is to help families buy needed items when bad things happen. States put these restrictions in place because they want to make sure that it is actually needed items being purchased.

Let me give an example on a person-to-person level.

I tell you that my child needs shoes because his are too small and have holes in them*, but I have no money to purchase them. You send me money to purchase shoes.

Then you see me still posting and bemoaning the child's lack of decent shoes and my lack of money to purchase them.

You send me a note asking, "What's up with this?"

I tell you that I decided to purchase an iTunes card instead because I wanted some more music.

At this point you are likely irritated with me. The money you sent was earmarked for shoes, not music. Yet you still want to help purchase my child some shoes. How do you make sure that I purchase shoes this time, since once I have the money, it is mine and you have no control over it?**

Essentially the state is saying, "We want to make sure that this money goes to shoes and not iTunes cards so this is what we will do."

The question is how to balance helping people yet keeping the irresponsible from being irresponsible?

*My children have shoes, this is not a real scenario.

**The easiest way would be for me to pick out a pair online and you pay for them. The interwebz is great.

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 11:44:13 AM

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Amazing.

Its as though you have endless patience. How do you do it?

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 12:49:36 PM

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Kansas has...ALOT....of problems. More so than many other states in the nation. I keep getting this feel from what I hear from that state that two things are true:

A ) They are heavily focus on the shit that is not part of their problems

B ) Ignoring the problems they were voted in to solve

One would think that Republicans in state government would get around to handling the real problems of the state, rather than the minor or 'stupid shit' stuff. But then, they have no competition for their jobs really. When there is not even a faint chance, let alone a realistic one, of losing one's job; where is the incentive to 'do what the public needs/wants'?

Kansas is basically run like an totalitarian state. Its rather amusing from a political perspective. Rather than promoting freedom and 'free enterprise', they dictate those whom are at the mercy of practically everyone else. That it allows a slow erosion of 'everyone is equal under the law' to 'the haves can and the have not's obey'. That state is telling the poor person "Ok, you have $25/day, but can only spend it how we dictate, and only from places we approve on". Would it be wrong if the state did that to the middle class? To the rich? On EVERY purchase?

Of course it would be! But the poor is most likely to have the least legal representation, let alone political representation in the State Legislator. How many state legislatures are financially poor? If state legislatures were told what they could purchase, would they have a problem with it?

Silly and stupid amounts of bullshit. Do hope the poor decided to just vote Democrat in the next election.

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 12:58:15 PM

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ERM MUY GAWD!!!!

However did joether find out about the Kansas gulags?

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 1:12:51 PM

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That state is telling the poor person "Ok, you have $25/day, but can only spend it how we dictate, and only from places we approve on". Would it be wrong if the state did that to the middle class? To the rich? On EVERY purchase?

One difference, Joether...and it's rather an important one...the middle class and the rich earned every single dollar they have to spend. While many of the poor are working, many are not. All require assistance...dollars...from the rest of us. While they did nothing to EARN those dollars, SOME feel they should be able to spend it how they want. Many of those who are working for those dollars and NOT receiving money from anyone else feel that money that is given to you to help you with necessities should be spent on...wait for it...necessities.

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 1:18:08 PM

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I use to live in Kansas and was on assistance there they are very strict on stuff I living in Illinois and they worse if you file for cash assistance you have to state what it for like rent and it has to go to rent if you use that money else where they will come after you for full amount if not more

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 1:37:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

That state is telling the poor person "Ok, you have $25/day, but can only spend it how we dictate, and only from places we approve on". Would it be wrong if the state did that to the middle class? To the rich? On EVERY purchase?

One difference, Joether...and it's rather an important one...the middle class and the rich earned every single dollar they have to spend. While many of the poor are working, many are not. All require assistance...dollars...from the rest of us. While they did nothing to EARN those dollars, SOME feel they should be able to spend it how they want. Many of those who are working for those dollars and NOT receiving money from anyone else feel that money that is given to you to help you with necessities should be spent on...wait for it...necessities.

Actually. . . it is that you can only WITHDRAW $25 a day in CASH. Not that you can only spend $25 a day. You can go to SuperTarget and spend it all in one shot if you want to.

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 1:49:56 PM

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Amazing.

Its as though you have endless patience. How do you do it?

Sanity, I have to say: I do wonder about people such as yourself. It's said that most people are just one wage-cheque away from being unemployed and on benefits. That's rough for people who've been on comfortable wages, are well-educated and stand a good chance of being employed at good wages in the near future. But I do wonder about someone such as yourself who, clearly, has the minimal level of education and ability, and who might just find himself one of the benefits claimants very soon.

Me, I would be able to get through it, I think. I have a lefty world view that's proof against seeing myself as the utter scum. However you, as a person with both the minimal education and ability, but also extremely right wing attitudes - if you went unemployed, surely you'd see yourself as utter scum. Wouldn't you? I mean, all the time I've seen you writing on this forum, you've held a condemning view of people at 'the bottom'. But, seriously, you're not so far off that bottom yourself, are you?

How would you handle that? The basic thing for me is: how do people at one step up off the bottom of the pile, who fall on bad times and end up jobless, for instance, see themselves? Would you hate yourself if you became unemployed and had to draw welfare - just as you've hated and despised those who've drawn benefits in your posts to date?

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 1:50:45 PM

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My uncle had an interesting way of looking at the issue. Is the government safety net to be fishing instruction or loaves and fishes? (Yes, that is a bible reference)

Is government assistance a permanent guaranteed income or is it temporary help to get a person back on their feet and productive to society?

The Kansas message to those needing government assistance:
We will help you for a maximum of three years. During those three years the cash assistance is to be used for what we consider necessities and not for luxury items. In exchange or our assistance; you must document a minimum or 20 hours a week looking for employment or be enrolled in a minimum 20 hour a week training program that tuition assistance is available for.

Being unable to work due to a disability or injury is a completely different program with different rules.

Ok, some put up or shut up. Use broad strokes and forget nitpicking details like "what constitutes lingerie". What should Kansas do differently?

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 2:40:42 PM

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Well I can still get a gun, so...what's the beef ? In Kansas apparently, a gun...is a necessity I guess. I believe in restrictions and the merchants understand that and I am pretty sure, it's in the barcode.

I think in the big picture, this is much ado about nothing really. Just go braless and pantyless. Probably do the Kansans some good.

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 2:43:59 PM

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I think in the big picture, this is much ado about nothing really. Just go braless and pantyless. Probably do the Kansans some good.

Good point. Kansans might even end up believing that sex before death isn't sinful and that it's possible to use both hands without a gun in one of them. Revolutions can and do occur.

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 3:48:47 PM

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Well I can still get a gun, so...what's the beef ? In Kansas apparently, a gun...is a necessity I guess. I believe in restrictions and the merchants understand that and I am pretty sure, it's in the barcode.

I think in the big picture, this is much ado about nothing really. Just go braless and pantyless. Probably do the Kansans some good.

Hmmm...do you suppose that might have to do with a right granted under the Bill of Rights?
Now, if you can find a right to buy lingerie from a lingerie store somewhere in the Bill of Rights, have at it. If not, I guess those on assistance will have to make do with lingerie from Wal-Mart...Or Penny's...Or Macy's.

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 3:53:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Well I can still get a gun, so...what's the beef ? In Kansas apparently, a gun...is a necessity I guess. I believe in restrictions and the merchants understand that and I am pretty sure, it's in the barcode.

I think in the big picture, this is much ado about nothing really. Just go braless and pantyless. Probably do the Kansans some good.

Where does it say that?
And if you think they should be able to gamble with it why does it matter what they spend it for.
To listen to the left any restriction on how they spend it is bad so if you happen to be right that is just one thing you don't have to complain about.

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 7:31:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Well I can still get a gun, so...what's the beef ? In Kansas apparently, a gun...is a necessity I guess. I believe in restrictions and the merchants understand that and I am pretty sure, it's in the barcode.

I think in the big picture, this is much ado about nothing really. Just go braless and pantyless. Probably do the Kansans some good.

Hmmm...do you suppose that might have to do with a right granted under the Bill of Rights?
Now, if you can find a right to buy lingerie from a lingerie store somewhere in the Bill of Rights, have at it. If not, I guess those on assistance will have to make do with lingerie from Wal-Mart...Or Penny's...Or Macy's.

Can't stop folks from getting their guns....lol

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 7:55:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Well I can still get a gun, so...what's the beef ? In Kansas apparently, a gun...is a necessity I guess. I believe in restrictions and the merchants understand that and I am pretty sure, it's in the barcode.

I think in the big picture, this is much ado about nothing really. Just go braless and pantyless. Probably do the Kansans some good.

How about a link to back this up?

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 8:15:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

My uncle had an interesting way of looking at the issue. Is the government safety net to be fishing instruction or loaves and fishes? (Yes, that is a bible reference)

Is government assistance a permanent guaranteed income or is it temporary help to get a person back on their feet and productive to society?

The Kansas message to those needing government assistance:
We will help you for a maximum of three years. During those three years the cash assistance is to be used for what we consider necessities and not for luxury items. In exchange or our assistance; you must document a minimum or 20 hours a week looking for employment or be enrolled in a minimum 20 hour a week training program that tuition assistance is available for.

Being unable to work due to a disability or injury is a completely different program with different rules.

Ok, some put up or shut up. Use broad strokes and forget nitpicking details like "what constitutes lingerie". What should Kansas do differently?

I've known a lot of people on welfare in cali, it's considered common practice to receive some forms of government assistance here, but since we are talking about ebt I'll share what I've seen of it's use.

Log 20 hours a week? For the people I new this meant grabbing a phone book and writing down numbers they said they called, not actually calling them.

Temporary? You can only make a maximum of 200 dollars a month before being cut off, the average single person receives 500 for food, 300 any use. Plus more for housing if you apply. A family gets paid by the amount of people. I had a friend who was born here but his family were all illegal, he collected welfare for a family of 8. They all made over 200 a month, but it was under the table work so they could continue collecting. If they stop it you resign up(I don't know exactlyhow that works since I've never tried but the 90% of people I knew never didn't have it.

I've never seen it used by someone who needed it, all the homeless I know don't use government services because it would mean their kids being taken from them, or they don't have id, they have too much documented income(here most of the homeless have jobs). though my mother gets food stamps and all her diapers paid for and she makes 50000 a year her husband 60 because the kid is disabled so there are always ways around the rules if you want to bend them enough.

And that is what people do. It was common practice in Palmdale for the guys to consider a "day of work" to involve going down to the liquor store to cash out your ebt card. You take around a 20 dollar hit but every one knew the local places that would give you cash for your ebt then you could go buy as much booze and drugs as you wanted...

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 8:33:47 PM

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Kansas is basically run like an totalitarian state. Its rather amusing from a political perspective. Rather than promoting freedom and 'free enterprise', they dictate those whom are at the mercy of practically everyone else. That it allows a slow erosion of 'everyone is equal under the law' to 'the haves can and the have not's obey'. That state is telling the poor person "Ok, you have $25/day, but can only spend it how we dictate, and only from places we approve on". Would it be wrong if the state did that to the middle class? To the rich? On EVERY purchase?

Not that I think posting this will matter to you, but... They don't have a spending limit of $25/day. They have an ATM withdrawal limit of $25/day. The EBT card works as a debit card, and used as such, do not have that spending limit.

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 8:35:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Well I can still get a gun, so...what's the beef ? In Kansas apparently, a gun...is a necessity I guess. I believe in restrictions and the merchants understand that and I am pretty sure, it's in the barcode.

I think in the big picture, this is much ado about nothing really. Just go braless and pantyless. Probably do the Kansans some good.

How about a link to back this up?

A link for the guns?

Here you go.

From the article:

"A few states — not Kansas — prohibit buying guns, according to the NCSL, and a few ban tattoos or body piercings. Massachusetts prohibits spending on jewelry, bail bonds or "vacation services." A 2014 Louisiana law bars card use on cruise ships, which is also on the Kansas list."

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 8:39:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

If the good people of Kansas ,and anywhere else for that matter,choose to use the functionings of government in such small minded petty ways as this I for one don't give a shit.
I have no dog in this fight....but I would think folks feel that their elected officials have better things to do than this petty bullshit.

The purpose of benefit money is to help families buy needed items when bad things happen. States put these restrictions in place because they want to make sure that it is actually needed items being purchased.

Let me give an example on a person-to-person level.

I tell you that my child needs shoes because his are too small and have holes in them*, but I have no money to purchase them. You send me money to purchase shoes.

Then you see me still posting and bemoaning the child's lack of decent shoes and my lack of money to purchase them.

You send me a note asking, "What's up with this?"

I tell you that I decided to purchase an iTunes card instead because I wanted some more music.

At this point you are likely irritated with me. The money you sent was earmarked for shoes, not music. Yet you still want to help purchase my child some shoes. How do you make sure that I purchase shoes this time, since once I have the money, it is mine and you have no control over it?**

Essentially the state is saying, "We want to make sure that this money goes to shoes and not iTunes cards so this is what we will do."

The question is how to balance helping people yet keeping the irresponsible from being irresponsible?

*My children have shoes, this is not a real scenario.

**The easiest way would be for me to pick out a pair online and you pay for them. The interwebz is great.

Thanks for the tutorial.....I actually understood the stated reason for the restrictions.
My issue is ,once again,the Republican party expends it's energy enacting solutions in search of problems.
Sort of like voter identity laws,we all know that there is no real voter fraud going on but Republicans still go out of their way pandering to their talk show educated audience.
The true low information voters,registered Republicans.

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RE: Kansans can't spend cash assistance on bras or undies - 4/18/2015 8:48:42 PM

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Bopping around the internet a little bit, I see that Maine's Supplemental Nutrition Program doesn't allow the purchase of vitamins. Which is more fucked up than not being allowed to buy something in a lingerie shop, in my opinion.

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